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  • #31
    Perspective

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...062-2018-10-13

    In 2016, 150 millitants were killed.

    A total of 213 millitants were eliminated in 2017.

    As of Oct end last year, the number was 163

    Total : 563 and rising

    After launching 'operation all out' by security forces against millitants in the middle of 2017, most top commanders were struck down by joint operations of the Army, CRPF and JKP. Security forces succeeded in eliminating A and A++ category millitants which include Abu Dujana and Bashir Lashkari of LeT; Sabzar Bhat, Abu Haris, Manan Wani and Yasin Itoo of Hizbul Mujahideen.
    How low must morale be for the average militant ?

    We're bleeding them dry.

    They had to do something.

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    • #32
      2006 story of an accidental female suicide bomber

      Andrabi was critical of the militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed for allowing Yasmeena to play an active role. "They use girls as couriers for explosives because girls can easily pass through check posts. I think Yasmeena was a courier and the explosives went off accidentally. Later, they glorified her death and claimed her as a suicide bomber. It was shocking for me," she said.
      In the overworked Psychiatric Diseases Hospital of Srinagar, I met Mushtaq Margoob, the foremost psychiatrist of Kashmir, who has spent the past 16 years - all the years of Kashmir's armed conflict - treating people with post-traumatic stress. In his research on post-conflict suicide, he found that the age group most inclined towards suicide was 20-25.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...istan.weekend7

      Adil's story
      https://scroll.in/article/913338/by-...adliest-attack

      The men forced the boy to make a circle around their jeep with his nose, his father said: “He kept mentioning this incident again and again.”
      In some places this could be considered like hazing.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 16 Feb 19,, 02:33.

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      • #33
        New ISI chief Munir’s stamp all over Pulwama attack

        Copycat Attack: Pulwama similar to recent attack in Iran

        Response to Pulwama attack: Precision air strikes the favoured option

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        Right now, not a single one is a good option. Pak removes their military personnel and jihadi abduls from borders areas after an attack, always has. But all options, executed together in no particular order, are good. Use SatImg, and whenever congregation of Pak terrorists takes place, hit them. We should have adopted this right after 1989. Pak would have learnt its lesson by now.

        We support India's right to self-defence: US NSA to Ajit Doval

        There, the go-ahead.

        Bengaluru: Cops book Kashmiri youth for sedition over FB post.

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        • #34
          Time to take out Masood Azhar

          These are but pawns. For effective retribution, PA's Generals should be targeted, inside Pakistan. They should taste what it feels like, to taste their own blood.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            Unless somebody tells me otherwise, the Americans are the only party that mentioned Pakistan in their support message and that Pakistan should stop using its soil to support terrorism.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
              Unless somebody tells me otherwise, the Americans are the only party that mentioned Pakistan in their support message and that Pakistan should stop using its soil to support terrorism.
              Mere talks don't add weight.

              Every power have their strategic interests tied up in Afghanistan. They are scared of the spillover. China, 1 million Uighurs in concentration camps, even though China hardly has any incidents of islamic terrorism. Russia is indulging TSP because they're afraid of terrorists gaining influence in CAR where their interests lie. US is forever worried, for imaginary reasons, since the great wars. Now, they want a clean exit from Afghanistan. I'm beginning to believe there is an unseen, unheard of strong lobby in the CIA and the State Department who doesn't favour punishing Pakistan, even though the Paks have used their proxies to kill American/western security forces in Afghanistan.

              We have to look out for our interests, and that includes talking with like-minded foreign IA having a stake in this game as also with the Taliban, and hasten the process of breaking Pak into manageable parts, and pushing all islamic assholes in Pak Punjab, then quarantine it. The false liberal notion that the leftist cabal has peddled for years is that a stable Pak is in our interests, NOT. Hope the dimwits in the Government is listening to the hawks in our establishment.

              *** Breakfast in Lahore, lunch at Rawalpindi, then flying to Karachi for a sea-side dinner with my pretty Pak lady friends ***

              Edited: View: Pulwama terror attack is a wake up call

              Check 3rd last para.
              Last edited by Oracle; 16 Feb 19,, 21:35.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                It's not the Balochis who attacked Iran. It's Jaish ul-Adl. They also attacked Iranian Rev Guards some days back. Name changed from Jundullah. ISI proxies.
                And those guys are militant sunnis

                A nice welcome gift for MBS when he arrives in Pakistan. Maybe now he will loosen up the purse strings some more.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                  And those guys are militant sunnis
                  Yes.

                  A nice welcome gift for MBS when he arrives in Pakistan. Maybe now he will loosen up the purse strings some more.
                  Nobody (US allies, friends, supporters) loosens their purse without the go-ahead from Washington. This is to keep Paks afloat, until Trump gets his want. Also to keep the pressure on Iran. This has a lesson for us, which we have not exploited so far. The Shia-Sunni divide. It can be 10 times bigger and 10 times more bloody than ethnic divide. To bring Pak to its knees, we have to adopt the same policies Pak throws at us. Fight a terrorist, with a terrorist.
                  Last edited by Oracle; 16 Feb 19,, 16:47.
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                  • #39
                    Pulwama terror attack: India hikes customs duty to 200% on all goods imported from Pakistan

                    Very good move, one that I missed. Who do they sell USD 500 million of goods now? Afghans? Iranians? LOL.

                    Pulwama attack: Terror financing watchdog FATF to be given dossier to blacklist Pakistan for terror links

                    The above pleases me to no end.

                    Army officer martyred, soldier injured in IED blast along LoC in J&K's Rajouri

                    What are satellites for? Why aren't we keeping track of every square inch of our border with China and Pak? Money can't be the issue, so F what?

                    US NSA John Bolton works to soothe India as patience wears thin after Pulwama terror attack

                    According to Bambawale, who also served as India’s ambassador to China and retired from there November last year, it is time to tell Beijing that if it is not with India on the issue of terrorism, the government will assume that China is against India.
                    Navjot Singh Sidhu sacked from The Kapil Sharma Show following his comments on Pulwama attack, Archana Puran Singh to be roped in

                    What a relief. This idiot won't be seen on TV for some time now.

                    Centre asks states to ensure security of students, residents belonging to J&K

                    Very good decision.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                      Yes.
                      And those sunnis in Iran are Baluchis

                      The Sunni group Jaish al Adl (Army of Justice), which says it seeks greater rights and better living conditions for the ethnic minority Baluchis, claimed responsibility for the attack.
                      So you have Baluchis fighting the Paks and Baluchis fighting Iran.

                      The point of contention here is you do not agree the people fighting Iran are Baluchis.

                      They are from elsewhere fighting in the name of the miniority Baluchis in Iran ?

                      Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                      Nobody (US allies, friends, supporters) loosens their purse without the go-ahead from Washington. This is to keep Paks afloat, until Trump gets his want. Also to keep the pressure on Iran. This has a lesson for us, which we have not exploited so far. The Shia-Sunni divide. It can be 10 times bigger and 10 times more bloody than ethnic divide. To bring Pak to its knees, we have to adopt the same policies Pak throws at us. Fight a terrorist, with a terrorist.
                      Meanwhile over in Iran

                      Iran says Pakistan to 'pay high price' over attack, warns Saudi | Reuters | Feb 16 2019

                      “Why do Pakistan’s army and security body ... give refuge to these anti-revolutionary groups? Pakistan will no doubt pay a high price,” Revolutionary Guards chief Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari said in remarks live on state television.
                      That is the ultimatium before they commence hot pursuits into Pakistan. They've done this already in the past IIANM.

                      “The treacherous Saudi and UAE governments should know that Iran’s patience has ended and we will no longer stand your secret support for these anti-Islam criminals,” Jafari said.

                      “We will avenge the blood of our martyrs from the Saudi and UAE governments and ask the President (Hassan Rouhani) ... to leave our hands free more than ever for reprisal operations,” Jafari told the crowd, drawing chants of “Allahu Akbar” (God is Greatest).
                      There's the free hands thing : )
                      Last edited by Double Edge; 17 Feb 19,, 00:54.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        Army officer martyred, soldier injured in IED blast along LoC in J&K's Rajouri

                        What are satellites for? Why aren't we keeping track of every square inch of our border with China and Pak? Money can't be the issue, so F what?
                        Like this ?

                        We're going to need them if the guy below is right

                        While it is never advisable to attempt to draw strategic implications from a single incident, whatever its magnitude, there are a number of elements in and around the Awantipora attack that suggest a potentially major strategic shift.
                        J&K: Escalatory Dynamic | SATP | Feb 15 2019

                        Several prominent political commentators have sought to characterize the attack as an "act of desperation" - this is, of course, part of the standard official response to major incidents, in addition to 'dastardly deed' and 'cowardly act', and is nothing more than flatulent rhetoric.
                        <-- : ( (

                        It is crucial to note that the Pakistan-based and state-backed Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) almost immediately claimed the attack. This fact, combined with the nature, target and scale of the attack, indicates that the Jaish has received clear directives from its Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) handlers to ramp up its visible activities in J&K.
                        Game on then

                        The VBIED explosion at Awantipora is likely to be a prelude to a tremendous escalation of violence in J&K; to increasing and increasingly visible involvement of Pakistani groups and cadres; and to a progressive transfer of tactics and strategies from Afghanistan to India.
                        Then the Rashtriya rifles will deal with them. They still have to get their guys across the LoC, we'll be waiting.
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 17 Feb 19,, 02:06.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                          And those sunnis in Iran are Baluchis

                          So you have Baluchis fighting the Paks and Baluchis fighting Iran.

                          The point of contention here is you do not agree the people fighting Iran are Baluchis.

                          They are from elsewhere fighting in the name of the miniority Baluchis in Iran ?
                          The point I'm making is if one looks beyond the haze, Pakistani complicity in these attacks are obvious. Baluchis are fighting the oppression in Pakistan, not so much in Iran. 3 countries make up the original land mass of Balochistan - Pak, Afghan, Iran, of which Pak has illegally annexed the major land mass of Balochistan. So, the beef that ethnic Baloch's have is with Pakistan. Any attack in Iran is the doing of sunni Pakistan, funds funneled by KSA & UAE. Jaish ul-Adl previously Jundullah, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba are Pakistani Army creations to kill Balochis, Hazaras, Pushtuns, Ahmedis and Shias. There's a genocide going on against these minorities and no one cares.

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                          Balochis are not literally a homogenous people. There are many Balochi tribes within the Baloch people. One of the main reason why Balochis have not found success in fighting Pakistan is because each tribe is loyal to their own leader, and the resistance is therefore divided, and so is the idea of grabbing their own moolah. Some Balochis support Pak Army and so you see some ethnic Balochis who are PA puppets become governors/chief-ministers of Pak-Balochistan. Fear is the key and greed is the lock. Can't beat them, join them, earn tons of money selling Baloch resources to the Chinese and live an extravagant life. The Jam family of princely Las Bela (British India), are exactly the same as the Abdullahs of Indian Kashmir.

                          The second reason is availability of dedicated funds. No one's yet sponsored the Balochis saying 'go full in, we're backing you guys'. Their score against the PA is mainly hit and run shootings and homemade IEDs.

                          Balochis suffer from too many power centers. First they have to unite, money will automatically flow.

                          BLA has a cadre strength of 10K+. Plus other Balochi resistance groups. Then there are the Pushtuns. The Hazaras. The Ahmedhis. Oops, the Shias too.

                          *Oracle smiles*
                          Last edited by Oracle; 17 Feb 19,, 02:23.
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                          • #43
                            This is what surprises me about this attack. You'd think they'd lie low while their case was being reviewed by the FATF board

                            Their actions in Afghanistan don't show any let up. It's as if they don't care.

                            Is this just irrational or do they have good reasons to intensify operations elsewhere.

                            Why do the Paks think they can still beat the FATF rap despite the setback of China not saving them from entering the grey list.
                            Last edited by Double Edge; 17 Feb 19,, 04:17.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              This is what surprises me about this attack. You'd think they'd lie low while their case was being reviewed by the FATF board

                              Their actions in Afghanistan don't show any let up. It's as if they don't care.

                              Is this just irrational or do they have good reasons to intensify operations elsewhere.

                              Why do the Paks think they can still beat the FATF rap despite the setback of China not saving them from entering the grey list.
                              Told you earlier the Pakistan Army doesn't care. Then you didn't care. :D


                              They don't even need bailouts. They select a puppet and throw him around begging for alms, but, that money goes in servicing circular debts and running the facade of a civilian government. The PA generate enough cash inside Pakistan to run the country according to their jihadi whims. Then there is narcotics they peddle. Fake currencies they smuggle. Kidnappings and ransom. Terrorism itself is a big money churner for the PA. Selling of jihadi support to conflict zones around the world. Loaning of the shalwar kameez army to be the bodyguards of KSA princelings.

                              I remember the Colonel posting an article in which a PA major/brigadier/something was in charge of Benazir's return to Pak, and bleh and bleh, and how he talks if things could start all over again, meaning nukes be used against India courtesy seeing the poverty in Pakistan. He then also says that there are people with this thinking in the PA. What do one call this kind of people? This is not being irrational. This is Allah's way. The term is suicidal. If the Americans weren't watching over their asses, they would have kept their nukes mated, and used it on us for flimsy reasons, like say - India not allowing abduls to work in Bollywood, or not granting visas for terminally ill children born of first cousin marriages.
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                              • #45
                                Masood Azhar gave nod for Pulwama attack from Army base hospital in Pakistan

                                View: War with Pakistan not an option for India, focus on Kashmiris
                                Apart from the commentary on AFSPA, I somewhat agree with Pillai here.

                                Uddhav launches thinly veiled attack on NSA Ajit Doval

                                Support Uddhav. Can't do your job, resign. Let someone else take up that position.

                                View: Focus on stopping the radicalisation & alienation of Kashmiri youths

                                Throwing in views from the other side too. Not endorsing them.

                                Zydus Cadila and Macleods Pharma suspend Kashmiri employees, issue show-cause notices

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