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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
    Right, sure, "classified", as in doctored or accompanied by speculation to bolster the Indian POV.

    Independent satellite imagery analysis shows no holes, no destruction, no damage. It's a sign of how badly the Indian government has brainwashed its populace that people are still clinging to ridiculous claims about 'destruction and casualties at Balakot'.

    The same thing was pointed out about the 2016 'surgical strikes', that whatever occurred was nothing beyond what normally happens between the 2 armies (small scale cross border raids), and there was no evidence provided then either, with the Pakistani Army taking local and foreign journalists to the alleged site of the strikes.

    So when it comes to actually providing credible evidence to back up claims, whether it's land based surgical strikes in 2016, IAF strikes in 2019, or claims of shooting down a Pakistani F-16, the Indian government score is zero right now.

    Hiding behind, "a handful of Indian journalists were shown classified satellite imagery' might be enough to convince the Modi Bakhts who simply can't comprehend failing against Pakistan, but it isn't convincing almost anyone else in the rest of the world.
    The terrorists cannot target Pakistan if Pakistan in the first place does not admit these strikes took place. I find this an acceptable policy by GOP. In effect you look the other way each time a raid or strike occurs. In doing so you are immediately defusing a potentially larger conflagration and you have plausible deniability via a vis the terrorists. Even put up some token resistance if you must.

    If you cannot handle these people out of fear of retribution then we will take care of them. Work with us.

    The aim of these strikes was twofold for the sake of security personel morale and to show the terrorists they aren't safe. In effect terrorise the terrorist.

    It's now clear why Masood Azhar has police protection. He's afraid and that is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
    The unofficial Pakistani position is that the pilots were from either an Indian Mirage 2000 or Sukhoi, and landed in India which is why they weren't captured by Pakistani forces.
    The IAF wouldn't be able to hide the fact it lost a second bird. It would be very difficult to keep it secret if any wreckage fell in J&K. There are enough people there to bring attention to it.

    There is absolutely zero evidence that a Pakistani F-16 was shot down.
    Plane was hit at high altitude. So the parts are strewn over a wide area. It's in PO J&K like the Mig 21.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
    The F-16's did not cross the LoC. They were providing support for the strike package from the Pakistani side. The

    There was no intent to inflict actual damage because no damage was inflicted on the Pakistani side.
    Hard to tell, the second article in post #352 believes ...

    The PAF package is likely to have comprised eight F-16s (four carrying laser-guided bombs [LGBs] and the rest in the air defence sweep role). This formed the northern and more potent element of the force and was most probably headed for military targets in the Naushera sector.

    The southern strike package comprised Mirage 5 strike aircraft and JF-17s providing top cover and were likely headed towards the 16 Corps HQ at Nagrota, a few km north of Jammu, or could have been a decoy package just as the Su-30MKI package was two days earlier when it was headed towards Bahawalpur.

    The older Mirage-IIIs were possibly on standby. Supporting this large force were to 2 Saab AWACS—one positioned between Sargodha and Sialkot—and the other around Islamabad with a dual tasking of supporting the Northern package and controlling air defence of the capital area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
    Some Pakistanis have put together a compilation of images showing:
    1. Missile fragments still attached to one of the wings of the Mig-21 showing that one R73 and one R-77 were not launched

    2. Images showing a broken R-73 and R-77 (neither appears to have detonated).

    That would make 2 R-73's and 2-R-77's, plus the centerline fuel tank (which was also recovered as seen in various images). And I believe that's a full load-out of the Mig-21. So Abhinandan couldn't have possibly shot down anything since it doesn't appear he fired any of his missiles.
    Refer here

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