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  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    I apologize if I even hinted that you did.
    Thank you Sir

    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    What I'm stressing that it is the Candiadte's job to convince voters - NOT the voter's job to do what the Candidate believes to be right.
    Sir, I don't think anybody is arguing against that. But the candidate never works alone. That's what a campaign and supporters do, that's why the even exist. And in this case, even members of the candidates OWN PARTY are doing the same. I can't remember the last time that's happened.

    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Further more, we are democracies. We ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EXPOSED TO IDEAS - INCLUDING BAD IDEAS! ESPECIALLY BAD IDEAS! It is the Candidate's JOB to convince US that his ideas are better than those other ideas, INCLUDING BAD IDEAS (ie, voting for Trump).
    I think we've all had more than enough exposure to Trump and his ideas....such as retweeting someone shouting "WHITE POWER!!" while displaying Trump campaign posters.

    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Lastly, it seems that even Putin has abandoned Trump.
    Maybe. It's certainly the correct thing to do when a puppet has outlived its usefulness: Throw it away like a wank-stained rag.
    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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    • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
      Two former cops did that. It's no use complaining about Trump once the horses left the barn.
      Sir, the Trump Campaign did that.

      And there are still horses in the barn. A LOT of them.

      But Trump and his gang keep tearing holes in the side of it.
      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      • Trump's attacks seen undercutting confidence in 2020 vote


        WASHINGTON (AP) — It was a startling declaration about one of the pillars of American democracy, all the more so given its source.

        The president of the United States last week publicly predicted without evidence that the 2020 presidential election would be “the most corrupt election in the history of our country.”

        “We cannot let this happen," Donald Trump told an audience of young supporters at a Phoenix megachurch. "They want it to happen so badly.”

        Just over four months before Election Day, the president is escalating his efforts to cast doubt on the integrity of the vote.

        It's a well-worn tactic for Trump, who in 2016 went after the very process that ultimately put him in the White House. He first attacked the Republican primaries (“rigged and boss controlled") and then the general election, when he accused the media and Democratic rival Hillary Clinton’s campaign of conspiring against him to undermine a free and fair election.

        "The process is rigged. This whole election is being rigged," he said that October when polls showed him trailing Clinton by double digits as he faced a flurry of sexual misconduct allegations.

        Then, as now, election experts have repeatedly discredited his claims about widespread fraud in the voting process.

        In a country with a history of peaceful political transition, a major-party candidate's efforts to delegitimize an election amounted to a striking rupture of faith in American democracy. But to do the same as president, historians say, is unprecedented.

        “Never," said presidential historian Douglas Brinkley when asked whether any past U.S. president had ever used such language. “What you’re seeing is someone who's an autocrat or a dictator in action."

        This year, Trump has seized on efforts across the country to expand the ability of people to vote by mail. It's a movement that was spurred by the coronavirus, which has infected more than 2.4 million people in the U.S. and killed more than 125,000 nationwide. The virus is highly contagious and especially dangerous for older people, who typically vote in higher numbers and have been advised by federal health authorities to limit their interactions with others.

        There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud through mail-in voting, even in states with all-mail votes. Trump and many members of his administration have themselves repeatedly voted via absentee ballots. But that hasn't stopped Trump from accusing Democrats of trying to “rig the election by sending out tens of millions of mail-in ballots, using the China virus as the excuse for allowing people not to go to the polls.”

        “People went to the polls and voted during World War I. They went to the polls and voted during World War II. We can safely go to the polls and vote during COVID-19," he said in his Phoenix speech.

        Trump's complaints come as he has been lagging in both internal and public polls. The criticism is seen by some as part of a broader effort by Trump to depress turnout by making it harder for people, especially in cities, to vote safely, and to lay the groundwork for a potential challenge to the results in November if he loses. Trump and his campaign vociferously deny this.

        Julian Zelizer, a presidential historian at Princeton University, said Trump may be trying to preempt the sting of a humiliation if he fails to win a second term. But Zelizer said Trump also appears to be “setting up the foundation for taking action."

        “What I do think is very realistic is a replay of 2000," he said, referring to the legal saga in which the Supreme Court stepped in to resolve a dispute over which candidate had won Florida. Republican George W. Bush's ultimate win in the state gave him a general election victory over Democrat Al Gore.

        If this year's election is close, Zelizer said, Trump could turn to the courts “and wage a political campaign to say this is being stolen and tie up efforts to count the votes.”

        Brinkley was even more alarmist, questioning whether Trump would vacate the office if he lost.

        “Trump is laying down his markers very clearly that he’s not going to leave the White House. I think that he’s just setting the stage," Brinkley said, to say "'I’m not leaving. It was a fraudulent election.'”

        Even barring such an extreme move, Brinkley said the president's rhetoric undermines public confidence in the electoral system. “It creates mayhem and it breaks the heart of what a democracy is.”

        Americans already have widespread concerns about the security and integrity of elections. A February poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that only about one-third have high confidence that votes in the 2020 election will be counted accurately.

        Americans’ support for mail-in voting has jumped amid concerns over the virus, with 6 in 10 now saying they would support their state allowing people to vote by mail-in ballot without requiring a reason, according to an April survey. Democrats are far more likely to support it than Republicans, a partisan split that has emerged since 2018, suggesting Trump’s public campaign may be resonating with his GOP backers.

        White House officials and Trump's campaign say he has raised the issue because Democrats are trying to use the virus as an excuse to tilt voting rules their way.

        “I think the president is only talking about this because Democrats have been going around to try to change rules in their favor under the guise of the virus. ... This isn’t a fight he picked," said Trump campaign political adviser and senior counsel Justin Clark. “The coronavirus does not give us an excuse to radically alter our way of voting."

        Officials noted Trump has voiced support for the use of absentee ballots when voters have a legitimate reason, although he has not said whether that includes fear of contracting the virus.

        “Imposing a new voting system in a hurried fashion ahead of November only exacerbates the real, underlying concerns about the security of voting by mail without the proper safeguards," said White House spokesperson Sarah Matthews. "All Americans deserve an election system that is secure and President Trump is highlighting that Democrats’ plan for mass mail-in system would lead to fraud.”

        But Wendy R. Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, said such concerns are “completely baseless," according to study after study. While no system is immune to fraud, she said, expanded voting by mail is "clearly the safest and necessary response to a pandemic."

        Trump's efforts to suggest otherwise are “extremely damaging to America, to our democracy, on multiple fronts," she said, noting that foreign adversaries have long tried to undermine confidence in the American politician system.

        “This," she said, “is in some respects doing their work for them.”
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        He did the same thing in 2016: Undermine confidence in the system. This man is like a broken record.
        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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        • Donald Trump’s re-election playbook: 25 ways he'll lie, cheat and abuse his power

          Donald Trump will do anything to be re-elected. His opponents are limited because they believe in democracy. Trump has no limits because he doesn’t.

          Here’s Trump’s re-election playbook, in 25 simple steps:

          1) Declare yourself above the law.

          2) Use racist fearmongering. Demand “law and order” and describe protesters as “thugs”, “lowlife” and “rioters and looters”. Describe Covid-19 as “kung-flu”. Retweet posts from white supremacists. In your campaign ads, use a symbol associated with Nazis.

          3) Appoint an attorney general more loyal to you than to America, and politicize the Department of Justice so it’s lenient on your loyalists and comes down hard on your enemies. Have it lighten the sentence of a crony convicted of lying under oath. Order investigations of industries you dislike.

          4) Fire US attorneys who are investigating you.

          5) Fire independent inspectors general who are looking into what you’ve done. Crush any whistleblowers you find.

          6) Demean and ignore the intelligence community. Appoint a director of national intelligence more loyal to you than to America. Demand that the head of the FBI pledge loyalty to you.

          7) Pack the federal courts with judges and justices more loyal to you than to the constitution.

          8) Politicize the Department of Defense so generals will back whatever you order. Refer to them as “my generals”. Have them help clear out protesters. Order the military to surveil protesters. Tell governors you’ll bring in the military to stop protesters.

          9) Purge your party of anyone disloyal to you and turn it into a mindless, brainless, spineless cult.

          10) Get rid of accumulated experience and expertise in government. Demean career public servants. Hollow out the state department, the Departments of Justice, Health and Human Services, and public health.

          11) Reward donors and cronies with bailouts, tax breaks, subsidies, government contracts, regulatory rollbacks and plum jobs. Put their lobbyists in charge of your agencies. Distribute $500bn in pandemic assistance to corporations in secret, without any oversight.

          12) Coddle dictators. Don’t criticize their human rights abuses. Refuse to work with the leaders of other democracies. Withdraw from international treaties.

          13) Create scapegoats. Demonize migrants and lock up asylum seekers at the border, even if they’re children. Put a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy. Blame Muslims, Mexicans and Chinese.

          14) Denigrate and ridicule all critics. Describe opponents as “human scum”. Attack the mainstream media as purveyors of “fake news” and “enemies of the people”.

          15) Conjure up conspiracies supposedly led by your predecessor and your opponent in the last election. Without any evidence, accuse your predecessor of “treason”. Fabricate a “deep state” out to get you.

          16) Downplay real threats to the nation, such as a rapidly spreading pandemic. Lie about your utter failure to contain it. Muzzle public health experts. Urge people to go back to work even as the pandemic worsens in parts of the country.

          17) Encourage armed supporters to “liberate” states from elected officials who disagree with you.

          18) Bribe other nations to investigate your electoral opponent and flood social media with lies about him.

          19) Use rightwing propaganda machines like Fox News and conspiracy-theory-peddling One America News to inundate the country with your lies. Ensure that the morally bankrupt chief executive of Facebook allows you to spread your lies on the biggest media machine in the world.

          20) Suppress the votes of people likely to vote against you. Intimidate voters of color. Encourage Republican governors to purge voter rolls, demand voter ID and close polling places.

          21) Seek to prevent mail-in ballots during the pandemic. Claim they will cause voter fraud, without evidence. Threaten to close the US postal service.

          22) Get Vladimir Putin to hack into US election machines, as he did in 2016 but can now do with more experience and deftness. Promise him that in return you’ll further destabilize America as well as Nato. Let him even place a bounty on killing US troops in Afghanistan.

          23) If it still looks like you’ll be voted out, try to postpone the election.

          24) If you’re voted out of office notwithstanding all this, refuse to leave. Contest the election, claim massive fraud, say it’s a conspiracy, get your cult of a political party to support your lies, get your propaganda machine to repeat them, get your justice department to back you, get your judges and justices to affirm you, get your generals to suppress any subsequent rebellion.

          25) Declare victory.

          Memo to America: beware Trump’s playbook. Spread the truth. Stay vigilant. Fight for our democracy.
          _____________
          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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          • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
            Oh get off it. The fault lies with Clinton. Not Putin. Yeah, Putin did a great job at misinformation but guess what, we are democracies. It is the leader's job to convince us that he/she is right for the job - NOT OUR JOB TO BLINDLY TRUST CLINTON! SHE FAILED AND FAILED BAD! PERIOD!

            You want to think for yourself? Tell me. You said it was easy and more comfortable to be believe a bucket load of lies. Fine. Let me rephrase the question. WHY IS IT SO DAMNED HARD FOR AMERICANS TO BELIEVE CLINTON TO BE A GOOD LEADER?
            30 years of lies?
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project.

            Sir, why is it so hard to admit the American right was played like a drum by foreign interference solicited from inside our own political system?
            Trust me?
            I'm an economist!

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            • Originally posted by DOR View Post
              30 years? Try going all the way back to the 1930s when there was a Nazi movement in the US.

              More Americans Supported Hitler Than You May Think. Here's Why One Expert Thinks That History Isn't Better Known

              Originally posted by DOR View Post
              Sir, why is it so hard to admit the American right was played like a drum by foreign interference solicited from inside our own political system?
              That is not the freaking point. You are blaming the voters for a Candidate's failure to inspire the voters with her ideas. It's the mark of POOR leadership to blame everyone but herself. On that, both Clinton and Trump share in spades. Yeah, blame Moscow for her failure.

              I remind you that she was supposed to win and win big! Moscow expected her to win. Trump expected her to win. She lost it.

              Stop blaming the voters for her stupid mistakes!
              Chimo

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              • Hell, I will even go back a lot further when foreign ideas influenced the US. WWI. Both Germany and the Allies lobbied the US to enter the War on their behalf. The very fact the British and the French convinced Americans to send their young men to die in France says alot about foreign ideas influencing the US. You need to up your game if you think Putin is anywhere near British and French leaders.
                Chimo

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                • Colonel,

                  Here are my thoughts....Mrs. Clinton was a flawed candidate, but viable. However, she & the DNC ran a lousy campaign. Why they stayed out of the Rust Belt...or at least didn't send Bill in to those places...was nuts. They refused to use Obama & Biden effectively as well. Same mistake Gore made in 2000. If Gore had sent Bill into KY/TN/WV, where he was still immensely popular, he would have had the EC votes he needed because he would have won at least one of those. And their lack of a cohesive social media campaign was criminal.

                  There is no doubt that GRU/SVD did have an impact. Their social media campaigns definitely put a thumb on the scales in battleground states and spread disinformation. Just enough was done to sew doubt which was enough keep undecideds home or going WTF, let's try a non-politician...with disastrous results for the Republic.

                  Finally, Trump's use of the media, as a media star, played a large part in his rise. He would and did say whatever folks wanted to hear. His ties in NYC made sure he got decent coverage in the NYT & WSJ. So much the rest of print media of the US follow their lead on politics...more than the WAPO.

                  From what I have observed so far Joe Biden has learned and is being much better than HRC...but then Joe has been a politician in DC for 50 years.
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • HRC and the DNC ran an operationally-competent campaign.

                    foreshadowing the future, the Trump campaign ran a clown-show campaign.

                    her biggest issue was the message. people in the swing states wanted a change agent, but her entire message was that she was the responsible continuity candidate.

                    Trump's biggest strength was his message, and the way he amplified it via a media (both social and traditional) he played like a fiddle. Russian interference here was a huge force multiplier because it was the perfect amplification of candidate Trump's divide-and-conquer strategy.

                    this is going to be extremely hard for him to replicate in 2020 because now he has 4 years of governance to show how he's executed on his message...and I expect most people in the electorate now have a much better idea about what a -bad- change agent can do.
                    Last edited by astralis; 29 Jun 20,, 16:09.
                    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                    • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                      That's perfectly understandable and I'll not disagree with you on that, ever.

                      If GVChamp has a problem with it and wants an apology, he's free to ask for it.



                      You're free to express that opinion as well.
                      I don't think anyone owes me an apology, though I think it's pretty damn obvious at this point that I think Trump poses much less a threat than the half-of-the-Democratic-Party that has gone completely nuts and is in a far better position to do damage to my family than Trump ever will be. I'm making exactly the choice I think is best for myself, my family, and my country. If anyone disagrees, more power to them. If my children end up disagreeing, whatever, I am not planning to raise carbon copies of myself.

                      However, a crucial distinction! They are NOT of the opinion that the force making up half the Democratic Party is anything to take lightly. They are fully convinced that Trump is the greater threat right now and are totally willing to vote for Biden. They are, however, EXTREMELY concerned about the nutcases on the Left. Again, this isn't right-wing extremist position anymore, not by a long shot. It's people who are Never Trumpers and an increasing number of Center-Lefters who are concerned about Far Left becoming Medium Left. They obviously don't have the same level of concern that I do, but it's not something you should be ignoring at this point.

                      I will also add that my family is decisively contrarian by nature, going back several generations, so if your dominant narrative is that Trump was a monster who needed to be stopped no matter what, uhhhh, my kids are likely going to poke that and enjoy poking that. If everyone buys into something, your group probably has Montana-sized blind spots.



                      Also, HRC sucked as a candidate. The election was close enough that you can't point to anything decisively, but HRC's own unfavorables and her email controversy are the two clear-cut data points that distinguish her from other Democrats, that ultimately cost her a ton of votes. That Comey letter at the end probably sealed her fate. It changed the direction of the election just enough at the last moment to make it competitive.

                      Also, as Asty said, while Trump himself had high unfavorables, he did have a message that resonated, and that's evident that he had a decent-enough convention bump to briefly put him in the lead (IIRC). He really, truly sucks as a candidate compared to many other viable options, but that dude can build enthusiasm and work a crowd, especially among voting blocs the GOP has traditionally struggled with.

                      I think anyone besides Jeb! could've stolen "Build that Wall" though.
                      Last edited by GVChamp; 29 Jun 20,, 16:24.
                      "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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                      • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                        There is no doubt that GRU/SVD did have an impact.
                        Yes, they have an impact and they deserve that impact and what's more we have to allow them to spread their misinformation. Otherwise, we are creeping extremely close to thought police. Ideas, good or bad, true or false, are freedom of thought. Moscow is perfectly free to spread their misinformation into the US and that is the way it is supposed to be. It is Clinton's job to counter them and provide better ideas than Moscow so that the voters want her ideas - NOT the voter's job to make sure Clinton is elected.

                        To say we should not allow some ideas in the US or in the West is an extremely dangerous precedent. It was not too long ago that McCArhy made life miserable for people who simply wanted better.

                        I see it as extremely dangerous for anyone to advocate that there are some ideas that should be silenced ... or that some people are too dumb to know better. Neither is the fault of the voter but of the Candidate who failed to inspire or to educate the voters.

                        I want Biden in if nothing else - to shut the freaking MSM from quoting every goddamed Trump tweet!
                        Chimo

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                        • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                          There is no doubt that GRU/SVD did have an impact.
                          SVR (Sluzhba vneshney razvedki)

                          We will never be able to accurately tell how many people they influenced but the same day as Trumpkins "Grab them by the p***y" tape came out the first dump of hacked emails etc arrived to change the subject. They call him 'Trumpnash' ("our Trump") in Moscow and if they thought their efforts would have no effect whatsoever they would not bother do them.

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                          • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            SVR (Sluzhba vneshney razvedki)

                            We will never be able to accurately tell how many people they influenced but the same day as Trumpkins "Grab them by the p***y" tape came out the first dump of hacked emails etc arrived to change the subject. They call him 'Trumpnash' ("our Trump") in Moscow and if they thought their efforts would have no effect whatsoever they would not bother do them.
                            Stop playing the spook. You suck at it! Putin expected Clinton to win. Trump expected Clinton to win. Putin's aim was to cause discord, not to elect Trump. Trump's election was completely unexpected by everyone, including Putin and Trump.

                            Rhetoric. Zero facts.
                            Chimo

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                            • Sen. Grassley said Fox News failed Trump with second-term agenda question, isn't working to get him re-elected

                              WASHINGTON – Senator Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, expressed frustration with last week's Fox News' town hall with President Donald Trump, saying the network wasn't working hard enough to get him reelected.

                              Grassley told Capitol Hill reporters on Monday that all he wants is for Trump to be reelected.

                              "I would blame Fox more than I blame the president, because the president, it's easy for him to digress here and there, but Hannity -- you assume Fox wants him to get reelected."

                              Grassley took particular issue with Fox News host Sean Hannity, for not pressing Trump during the town hall to answer a question about his agenda for a second term more directly.

                              The exchange began when Hannity asked Trump: "What's at stake in this election as you compare and contrast, and what are your top priority items for a second term?"

                              Trump answered by talking about his experience and then moving on to criticize his former national security adviser, John Bolton, without laying out any policy ideas or plans.

                              "One of the things that will be really great -- the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I've always said that -- but the word experience is a very important word, a very important meaning," Trump said, adding that while he was a New York developer, he didn't know many of Washington's players and rarely visited the capital.

                              "Now I know everybody and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like an idiot like (former national security adviser John) Bolton, all he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody, you don't have to drop bombs on everybody, you don't have to kill people," the president said.

                              Hannity never pushed the president for the specifics on a second-term agenda.

                              When asked about Trump's answer, Grassley said, "Okay, so he says what's your plans for the next four years? So the President starts to answer it. And then digresses a little bit. Hannity should have got him back on the subject. So it's pretty simple: I just want the president to be re-elected."

                              Grassley's comments follow a tweet over the weekend from the Iowa Republican where he questioned if Fox News wants Trump reelected and suggested the "most important" question to ask centers on "four more years of draining the swamp."

                              The criticisms from Grassley follow him publicly encouraging Trump to consider the warnings in an opinion piece by the Wall Street Journal editorial board suggesting Trump could serve one term.

                              “Will somebody w access to the Oval Office read the WSJ editorial ‘The Trump Referendum’ to President Trump,” Grassley wrote in a tweet on Friday. “We won’t hv more good scotus justices or the best economy in 50 years like we hv had if he doesn’t follow that advice.”

                              Trump is currently trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden in six crucial swing states – all of which Trump won in 2016 – according to a New York Times/Siena College poll released Thursday.

                              The poll found Biden is ahead of Trump 47%-36% in Michigan, 49%-38% in Wisconsin, 50%-40% in Pennsylvania, 47%-41% in Florida, 48%-41% in Arizona and 49%-40% in North Carolina.

                              With the 2020 election is still more than four months away, those states could help decide the winner.

                              Despite the criticism following his answer, Trump touted the ratings from his Fox News town hall, asserting in a tweet that the ratings "are the real polls."

                              Grassley said some of the reasons he wanted to see Trump win reelection include "things that he's done like challenging China" and "getting strict constructionists on the Supreme Court. I want that to continue."
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                              I blame Hannity too...for asking Donald Trump a question like "What's at stake in this election as you compare and contrast, and what are your top priority items for a second term?"

                              I mean, look at all those multisyllabic words! Trump probably got lost after "What's at..."

                              WTF was Sean thinking??
                              “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                              • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                                I want Biden in if nothing else - to shut the freaking MSM from quoting every goddamed Trump tweet!
                                MSM isn't ever going to shut up, they need to sell division and identity politics in order to sell subscriptions. Also their staff and a good chunk of their editors have gone nuts and are about a step away from "And now let's play the ethnic retribution game!" They also have a disturbingly increasing tendency to try to investigate/tar private citizens for no damn reason other than hate-clicks. Or in the case of HanAssholeSolo, because CNN doesn't like being criticized.

                                That's leaving aside entirely that if you have the worst coronavirus epidemic outside Iran, CNN will let your brother interview you instead of actually holding you accountable for anything.
                                "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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