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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    and the end result will be that even if Trump is crushed this November, Junior will be waiting on the sidelines to carry that torch.

    you can only reform the Party if there's actually a reformist faction within that can take over.
    You would think they would be smart enough to read the tea leaves should Trump be eliminated. Come to 2028 election some states that were red in 2016, and are now purple for 2020, will stand a strong chance of being blue in 2028. The way Texas is going given that 80,000 Californians moved there in 2019 alone should give a clue as to what to expect. Texas blue then where does the Republican Party turn? Same for Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado. Florida by 2032?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    You would think they would be smart enough to read the tea leaves should Trump be eliminated. Come to 2028 election some states that were red in 2016, and are now purple for 2020, will stand a strong chance of being blue in 2028. The way Texas is going given that 80,000 Californians moved there in 2019 alone should give a clue as to what to expect. Texas blue then where does the Republican Party turn? Same for Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado. Florida by 2032?
    So you are saying that Californians are a cancer to Texas? After their policies have turned California into a place that they despised so much that they had to move and that they plan to turn Texas into a similar mess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    So you are saying that Californians are a cancer to Texas? After their policies have turned California into a place that they despised so much that they had to move and that they plan to turn Texas into a similar mess?
    Did I really say that? Let me check back. Nope, you do have a nasty habit of assigning false stories to people.

    I will say with job transfers and cheaper housing we will buy the state. You're next. Better hope for a mythical vaccine...LOL.

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    Isn't California like the 6th biggest economy in the world?

    I've noticed a lot of red supporters really taking blue states and their cities to task since Trump got elected. Which is curious because when you start looking at, not only pictures, but the data and statistics behind some of the the great red states of the south, I wonder what I'm missing? Cheap golf I'll say, but I mean some of those places are essentially third world counties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    So you are saying that Californians are a cancer to Texas? After their policies have turned California into a place that they despised so much that they had to move and that they plan to turn Texas into a similar mess?
    No I'm pretty sure he's saying that Donald Trump is a cancer to the United States. And plenty of other people are saying that too.

    Still drinking that Kool-Aid and happy that he's the "anti-lefty"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    You would think they would be smart enough to read the tea leaves should Trump be eliminated. Come to 2028 election some states that were red in 2016, and are now purple for 2020, will stand a strong chance of being blue in 2028. The way Texas is going given that 80,000 Californians moved there in 2019 alone should give a clue as to what to expect. Texas blue then where does the Republican Party turn? Same for Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado. Florida by 2032?
    I guess the question is "who is they"? The GOP establishment did not want Trump, they fought Trump, and they lost when GOP voters selected Trump anyways. The majority of GOP voters still back Trump, so dumping Trump means effectively dumping the voters, which is not going to be a good look.

    It's not impossible to get beyond this: Trump himself attacked Dubya when he was running. And he was booed, because Dubya was still Our Guy in the GOP. And Trump won despite that. But it's still politically unwise.

    GOP Voters aren't going to go along with dumping Trump unless the Fox News primetime lineup leads it.

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    Isn't California like the 6th biggest economy in the world?

    I've noticed a lot of red supporters really taking blue states and their cities to task since Trump got elected. Which is curious because when you start looking at, not only pictures, but the data and statistics behind some of the the great red states of the south, I wonder what I'm missing? Cheap golf I'll say, but I mean some of those places are essentially third world counties.
    The South by and large is pretty poorly run but Texas is generally pretty well run and NC has a decent economy, both bringing in a lot of Blue Staters. Tennessee does well for itself and is also attracting a lot of Blue Staters. Atlanta is a pretty prosperous city, again attracting Blues. If I had to pick the next runner-up, might be Arkansas....

    Well-run Red States would probably need to include Nebraska and Utah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVChamp View Post
    I guess the question is "who is they"? The GOP establishment did not want Trump, they fought Trump, and they lost when GOP voters selected Trump anyways. The majority of GOP voters still back Trump, so dumping Trump means effectively dumping the voters, which is not going to be a good look.

    It's not impossible to get beyond this: Trump himself attacked Dubya when he was running. And he was booed, because Dubya was still Our Guy in the GOP. And Trump won despite that. But it's still politically unwise.

    GOP Voters aren't going to go along with dumping Trump unless the Fox News primetime lineup leads it.
    The GOP didn't abandon Nixon during the whole 2 years of Watergate. They stood in front of him like a steel curtain....until they suddenly didn't, and even after Nixon resigned in disgrace, he retained a 25% approval rating.

    Right now, former high-ranking military members like Mullen and Mattis have bluntly savaged Trump with op-eds. Former President Bush has done the same (albeit much more obliquely) and a Biden endorsement , unthinkable just a few months ago, could be around the corner.

    Trump is becoming more and more unhinged, staging a horrific photo op that backfired spectacularly, and lashing out at some very high-profile conservative heroes and of course lying blatantly the whole time.

    Just like Nixon, GOP will dump Trump when the moment is right. If they've got any sense of survival, that is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Isn't California like the 6th biggest economy in the world?

    I've noticed a lot of red supporters really taking blue states and their cities to task since Trump got elected. Which is curious because when you start looking at, not only pictures, but the data and statistics behind some of the the great red states of the south, I wonder what I'm missing? Cheap golf I'll say, but I mean some of those places are essentially third world counties.
    #5 to be exact

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVChamp View Post
    I guess the question is "who is they"? The GOP establishment did not want Trump, they fought Trump, and they lost when GOP voters selected Trump anyways. The majority of GOP voters still back Trump, so dumping Trump means effectively dumping the voters, which is not going to be a good look.

    It's not impossible to get beyond this: Trump himself attacked Dubya when he was running. And he was booed, because Dubya was still Our Guy in the GOP. And Trump won despite that. But it's still politically unwise.

    GOP Voters aren't going to go along with dumping Trump unless the Fox News primetime lineup leads it.



    The South by and large is pretty poorly run but Texas is generally pretty well run and NC has a decent economy, both bringing in a lot of Blue Staters. Tennessee does well for itself and is also attracting a lot of Blue Staters. Atlanta is a pretty prosperous city, again attracting Blues. If I had to pick the next runner-up, might be Arkansas....

    Well-run Red States would probably need to include Nebraska and Utah.
    The draw in those areas are concentrated in certain areas...Texas is metro Austin and some Houston. Not too much Dallas. NC tends to be the Triangle and some Charlotte...rest of the state is desolate. TN is Knoxville and Nashville southward towards Spring Hill...big time medical insurance & services companies.

    You get outside of those bubbles and the schools suck...heck, here in Virginia it is often much the same story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post



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    Funny I don't remember Lance Corporal Trump. Mattis was known as Mad Dog since the early 2000s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Funny I don't remember Lance Corporal Trump. Mattis was known as Mad Dog since the early 2000s
    Imagine blatantly lying about such a well-known fact. The man lacks even the slightest shred of integrity. And to support him is simply indefensible.
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    I think part of it is just his personality-- he likes to lie for the hell of it.

    but part of it is calculated.

    he tells a small, meaningless lie; the listener chuckles and shakes their head at both the lie and the media going crazy about it; he slowly makes the lie bigger...and by that method, the listener never twigs on that they're now a part of the MAGA cult.
    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    And to support him is simply indefensible.
    Support him? HELL NO but like every bad Officer I've ever known. You respect the Office, not the man but there are decisions that the man made that I can support. Him scaring KJU shitless and put the toughest sanctions Putin had ever known are but a few. While he did listen to Redfield in the beginning, he did let Fauci and Birx take over when American lives were at risk more than they were. Just to show you how he value advice behind close doors, Trump was ready to militarily enforced quarrantine in the NYC area. Fauci and Birx successfully argue that a travel advisory would do the same thing.

    But when Trump crossed a line, people were ready to confront him. Esper backed by Generals did just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Support him? HELL NO but like every bad Officer I've ever known. You respect the Office, not the man but there are decisions that the man made that I can support. Him scaring KJU shitless and put the toughest sanctions Putin had ever known are but a few. While he did listen to Redfield in the beginning, he did let Fauci and Birx take over when American lives were at risk more than they were. Just to show you how he value advice behind close doors, Trump was ready to militarily enforced quarrantine in the NYC area. Fauci and Birx successfully argue that a travel advisory would do the same thing.

    But when Trump crossed a line, people were ready to confront him. Esper backed by Generals did just that.
    This is really a spot where Trump's incompetence and brash style does in him. The majority of Americans currently support using the military to stop the riots and a majority of Americans think the police are either acting appropriately not acting aggressive enough. If we were talking about Ted Cruz this would be a different story, if we were talking about Rubio this might be a generational shift.

    Twitter doesn't really know what it's talking about, which is why Biden just locked up the nomination even though Biden was not popular in those circles at all.

    In the long-term, I wouldn't count on any bright lines protecting you. I know Twitter is posting stories about GOPers finally abandoning Trump, but all the IRL Trump supporters I know think it's time to arm up. They'd probably be okay with the de facto death of the republic at this point. Millennials and Zoomer left don't think about civil society or civil rights in the way older generations do and think the entire system is racist and illegitimate and alternative viewpoints are dangerous/need to be silenced.

    At this point I'd put a shooting match at 50/50 in the next 20 years. These people are insane.
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