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    I think that due to the failures of Trumpkins and his gang of hoodlum (be they perceived failures or real) and the effect this virus is likely to have on the world economy Biden is odds on favourite for November election (unless it is called off for 'health reasons').

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    I think that due to the failures of Trumpkins and his gang of hoodlum (be they perceived failures or real) and the effect this virus is likely to have on the world economy Biden is odds on favourite for November election (unless it is called off for 'health reasons').
    He will attempt to cancel the election, using Coronavirus as an excuse, whether it's justified or not, especially if his approval ratings fall into the 20-30% range, reducing him to only his hardcore Kool-Aid drinkers.

    Once he leaves office, he's dead meat, legally speaking. His children are dead meat legally. His "Organization" is dead meat legally.
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    It was just a thought but if there is a chance that Trumpkins may attempt an 'everlasting emergency' excuse what happens? I mean it may be worth considering...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    It was just a thought but if there is a chance that Trumpkins may attempt an 'everlasting emergency' excuse what happens? I mean it may be worth considering...
    I don't know. It's definitely worth considering but we're in completely uncharted territory. It was laughable in the extreme when the far-right and people from other countries were predicting that Obama was going to seize power after his 2nd term was up. But now, I have no idea what will happen in November or January.

    Frankly it's rather terrifying how much the GOP has knelt before Trump's unzipped pants to save their political careers...and even more terrifying because they know how necessary it is, considering what's happened to most of the conservative Right in this country.
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    Washington Post gives Biden ad four Pinocchio’s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...eo-slam-trump/

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    I don't know. It's definitely worth considering but we're in completely uncharted territory. It was laughable in the extreme when the far-right and people from other countries were predicting that Obama was going to seize power after his 2nd term was up. But now, I have no idea what will happen in November or January.

    Frankly it's rather terrifying how much the GOP has knelt before Trump's unzipped pants to save their political careers...and even more terrifying because they know how necessary it is, considering what's happened to most of the conservative Right in this country.
    Even with a fanatical support base & a supine GOP I don't see Trump stopping elections unless there is medical advice from the most respected sources. If Anthony Fauci says suspend then that should be enough for anyone. (Note: I have no idea what the Constitutional provisions are here, so I'm not sure if it is even possible under current circumstances)

    Short of that it would not just be political suicide for him, but for the GOP in down ticket races. They would know this and senior figures would suddenly rediscover their collective manhood (not being sexist, the GOP Congressional delegation has marginally more women than a Taliban conference). Of course, Lindsey Graham would roll over for a tummy tickle and most of Trump's base would defend him to the hilt, but party officials would know that not only would this encourage the most hardcore 'never Biden' Sandersista to vote for Joe, but it would encourage a lot of moderates & even people not planning to vote to give the GOP an almighty whack. Watching Trump supporters once again justify something that would be deemed the END OF THE REPUBLIC if any Dem even thought it would be amusing, however.

    The GOP Establishment may be spineless, amoral and utterly devoid of principle, but they are governed by self preservation. For now challenging Trump runs counter to that. If he is driving over a cliff at top speed they will at least wrestle for the wheel. I also don't see SCOTUS signing off on anything like what you are thinking about.


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    Calm down, folks.
    The US does not have a "national" election for any office.
    There are 50 state elections, which collectively (via the Electoral College) determine who gets to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    The President can't cancel the election; if he could, wouldn't Abe Lincoln have done it in 1864?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    The President can't cancel the election;
    I can think of a few ways he'll try. Martial law, for starters.

    Remember, this is a mentally-unhinged sociopath being blindly supported by a LOT of powerful people, who is already facing a storm of legal problems.
    Once he's out of office, if he's still above ground and semi-lucid, that storm will turn into an all-out nuclear war.

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    if he could, wouldn't Abe Lincoln have done it in 1864?
    Not necessarily. Abe was an iron-fisted dictator when he needed to be, yes.
    But just because he could've doesn't mean that he would've.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    Washington Post gives Biden ad four Pinocchio’s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...eo-slam-trump/
    What you believe the Amazon Washington Post? Fake news from a garbage newspaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    I can think of a few ways he'll try. Martial law, for starters.

    Remember, this is a mentally-unhinged sociopath being blindly supported by a LOT of powerful people, who is already facing a storm of legal problems.
    Once he's out of office, if he's still above ground and semi-lucid, that storm will turn into an all-out nuclear war.


    Not necessarily. Abe was an iron-fisted dictator when he needed to be, yes.
    But just because he could've doesn't mean that he would've.
    Martial law ... enforced by state National Guard?

    Abe wasn't a serious suggestion, just an attempt to point out that even during the nation's darkest hour, no one thought of suspending elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    Washington Post gives Biden ad four Pinocchio’s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...eo-slam-trump/
    Thank you and I can now rest my case about you. Nothing like the gift that keeps on giving...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    Calm down, folks.
    The US does not have a "national" election for any office.
    There are 50 state elections, which collectively (via the Electoral College) determine who gets to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    The President can't cancel the election; if he could, wouldn't Abe Lincoln have done it in 1864?
    I do believe that only Congress can postpone an election but not the President. One issue is that states that postpone their elections can still appoint the Electoral College which would mean the Republican governors could appoint a full slate of Republican electors and re-elect Trump that way.

    1. Appoint electors
    The U.S. Constitution and Federal law only require that electors must be appointed on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. In most States, the political parties nominate slates of electors at State conventions or central committee meetings. Then the Governors of each State appoint the electors chosen by the political party whose candidate won the popular vote in the state-wide general election. However, State laws on the appointment of electors may vary.

    Under the Constitution, State legislatures have broad powers to direct the process for selecting electors, with one relevant exception regarding the qualifications of electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that “no Senator, Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States” may be appointed as an elector. It is not settled as to whether this restriction extends to all Federal officials regardless of their level of authority or the capacity in which they serve, but OFR advises the States that the restriction could disqualify any person who holds a Federal government job from serving as an elector.
    https://www.archives.gov/electoral-c...tate-officials

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    Sad to see her (Tulsi) go. A genuine candidate.
    https://www.wavy.com/news/politics/g...port-to-biden/

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    Sad to see her (Tulsi) go. A genuine candidate.
    https://www.wavy.com/news/politics/g...port-to-biden/
    Yeah, definitely a shame.

    Hey who did she endorse instead?
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    Op-Ed: What others see as Joe Biden's mental slips, I see as the tricks of a master stutterer

    You don’t notice Joe Biden’s stutter when he’s speaking most of the time. He didn't stutter during Sunday night’s debate, for example. But as a stutterer, I recognized the fingerprints of a master stutterer at work.

    Seeing Biden on stage takes me back to my childhood. I've watched him for years and recognize the familiar tricks. Noticed him struggling with a phrase or name he's uttered a million times before.

    I've heard him use overly complicated or quirky phrasing and immediately recognized the method of a master stutterer: the almost savant-like ability to rephrase a thought or paragraph, on-the-fly, to avoid a problematic word or syllable.

    I've listened to his critics and heard echoes of my past. He's senile, they insist. He forgot Obama's name. He's mentally defective. Dementia. But I know better.

    At a campaign stop on March 5, Biden "forgot" Obama's name, identifying him simply as "the last guy." At other events he’s said, "President my boss." Some see this as evidence of a man losing his mental faculties. I see the familiar trick of calling a last-second audible for an easier syllable or phrase, the in-the-moment wordplay stutterers use to navigate their speech.

    Stuttering is fickle. A word might come naturally the first million times, then get stuck without warning. So we make substitutions. Sometimes it's nicknames. Sometimes it's slang that sounds awkward or out-of-place, like Biden uses.

    I started stuttering when I was 7. First a little. Then a lot. I hoped it would go away. It never really did, though I didn’t let it stop me from having a full life. I speak in public all the time now. I enjoy it.

    Growing up is hard. Stuttering makes it harder. You can't do what other kids do, and they don’t understand why. They'd ask me to say things, knowing I couldn't. Sometimes it was to my face, other times when they didn't know I could hear them.

    People didn't always mean harm. Yes, I have seen "A Fish Called Wanda." Yes, Michael Palin’s character stuttered, too. And "My Cousin Vinny," when the free lawyer stuttered so badly he couldn't get through an opening argument? Hilarious! Thank God I'm not that bad, right?

    Those moments stung. But they didn't hurt as much as the good intentions, the people trying to help, that reminded me that I was incomplete. Sometimes teachers would skip over me in class so I wouldn’t have to try to speak. Sometimes I had things to say, ideas to share, jokes to tell. They became my secrets.

    In fifth grade, I auditioned for the lead role in the school play (quite well, I might add), only to be cast as a nonspeaking extra. Better that than stumble over a word in front of 300 kids, they explained. Part of me was relieved. The other part was sad to see another door close. Another thing I could never do, etched onto my permanent record.

    As stutterers do, I found ways to manage it. Speech therapy helped a little. The real method was word craft similar to what Biden does, the self-trained ability to re-architect language in real time to avoid a word or syllable you know will stop you cold.

    In high school I discovered the art of performance — singing and dancing. These short-circuited the stuttering pattern. When I sang I could be loud. When I acted on stage, I could be confident. Strong. Clear. I could be someone else.

    People would find me after performances and congratulate me on finally overcoming the stutter. I would smile, but I knew the truth. It was still there, lingering, waiting.

    People who have never stuttered may look at Biden and see a man who can’t say simple words, remember simple names, or use the obvious phrase in every occasion. While they see a mental defect, I see a man who has survived decades on the political stage, still working to overcome a disability he’s carried his whole life.

    Biden is an example that doors don’t have to stay closed. Proof that people can manage disabilities and excel at the very things others thought they could never do.

    There are would-be Joe Bidens everywhere. Looking down. Avoiding attention. Afraid to raise their hands in class. He shows that they don’t have to be afraid to speak up.
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