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    The Jamal Khashoggi Case.

    Seems pretty clear that the Saudi's have done away with him. Thoughts on what happened or what to do?

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    Was going to post this in the MBS thread

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    The hit squad came in 2 chartered flights from KSA. He was killed inside the embassy, then hacked into pieces with a saw. Evidence cleaned and the hit squad flew back to KSA with the body parts.

    What I don't understand is what kind of documents/wedding papers he needed to marry his fiance of Turkish origin? Being a critic of the KSA, one would have thought he'd be smart enough. Nope, he paid with his life.
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    Couldn't they have simply put the body in a diplomatic bag and shipped it out? Why bother hacking it to pieces? I may have watched too much movies in relation to the power of diplomatic bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    What I don't understand is what kind of documents/wedding papers he needed to marry his fiance of Turkish origin?
    Part i'm interested in is why did the Turks out the Saudis : )

    If they hadn't said anything nobody would know

    No, Erdogan wants to personally follow up on this one

    There is an additional bonus for the Americans here too as the Turks appear to chase up on what happened this green card holder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    What I don't understand is what kind of documents/wedding papers he needed to marry his fiance of Turkish origin? Being a critic of the KSA, one would have thought he'd be smart enough. Nope, he paid with his life.
    Apparently he was there to collect his divorce papers so he could marry his fiancee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    Apparently he was there to collect his divorce papers so he could marry his fiancee.
    And he became 'Wajib ul Qatal'. Sometimes breaking the law is better than getting killed to uphold the law. They can have upto 4 wives I guess, and infinite mistresses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hboGYT View Post
    Couldn't they have simply put the body in a diplomatic bag and shipped it out? Why bother hacking it to pieces? I may have watched too much movies in relation to the power of diplomatic bags.
    What I think is hacking the body into small pieces, wrapping them up in plastic (containing blood dripping etc), makes it easier to pack the body in small diplomatic suitcases and then transport it, without arousing any suspicion.
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    Another story circulating in some Arab media that the journalist's brother & his family were brutally murdered in Jeddah is fake news

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    I wonder how many embassies the Turks have wired? That would go a long way to explaining how and what they say they know. Yet, how do they tip toe around that without opening saying we bugged that embassy and ergo maybe others?

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    How the Saudi press covered Khashoggi, earlier and now

    https://www.memri.org/reports/disapp...im-treason-now

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    Donald Trump vows 'severe punishment' if Saudi Arabia murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi | Telegraph | Oct 13 2018


    Raf Sanchez, middle east correspondent
    13 OCTOBER 2018 • 3:34PM

    Donald Trump has vowed “severe punishment” for Saudi Arabia if it is proven that the kingdom was responsible for murdering Jamal Khashoggi, the missing journalist.

    The US president said he was “very upset and angry” about the case and indicated that he was not fully convinced by the Saudis’ repeated claims of innocence.

    “Could it be them? Yes,” he said. “In the not too distant future I think we’ll know an answer,” Trump told CBS News in an a "60 Minutes" interview that will air on Sunday. “We're going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe punishment.”

    Mr Khashoggi, who would have turned 60 on Saturday, has not been seen since he went into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2.

    Turkish officials claim to have tapes of Saudi operatives torturing and murdering Mr Khashoggi, possibly recorded by the journalist’s own Apple Watch. Saudi Arabia has vehemently denied involvement in the journalists’ disappearance.

    While Mr Trump said he would punish Saudi Arabia, he said he would not cancel arms sales to the kingdom in response, as a bipartisan group of US senators have demanded. “I don't want to hurt jobs,” he said.

    Mr Trump, who has previously referred to journalists as “enemies of the people”, said it was “really terrible and disgusting” that a journalist had been targeted.

    Sources close to the royal court said the inner circle of Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince, was shocked at the speed and intensity at which global anger over Mr Khashoggi’s disappearance turned towards Saudi Arabia.


    After eleven days of issuing blanket denials of responsibility but offering little evidence of its innocence, the Saudi government is now trying to chart a more proactive course to deal with the fallout while also trying to shield Crown Prince Mohammed’s own reputation.

    The crown prince has summoned home the Saudi ambassador in Washington, his younger brother Prince Khalid bin Salman, a former fighter pilot, for consultations on how to appease both the White House and Congress.

    He also dispatched a team of Saudi officials to Ankara to meet with the Turkish government as part of a newly-formed “joint working group” to look into what happened to Mr Khashoggi.

    The Saudi government is pointing to the joint group as evidence it is taking the situation seriously and hopes that the appearance of an investigative process will buy some time in the short term.

    In a statement on Saturday, Prince Abdulaziz bin Saud, the Saudi interior minister, “praised the cooperation with the brothers in Turkey through the Joint Investigation Commission and other official channels”.

    His statement, which also denounced the “lies and baseless allegations” against the kingdom, was the first public comment by a Saudi minister since the crisis began on October 2.

    A theory discussed in pro-Saudi circles is that Riyadh will try to get the Turks to agree to a joint statement explaining Mr Khashoggi’s death in a way that causes minimal damage to Crown Prince Mohammed.

    One possibility is to say Mr Khashoggi died of a heart attack inside the consulate and his body was hidden by panicked diplomatic staff.

    It is not clear that Turkey could agree to a sanitised version of events, given that Turkish officials have leaked lurid claims to the press of Saudi spies and soldiers allegedly murdering Mr Khashoggi.

    But Turkey has not made any official allegations nor presented any public evidence, leaving some diplomatic room for a compromise. Ties between Turkey and Saudi Arabia have been strained in recent years but neither regional power wants a complete breakdown in relations and a joint statement could offer a way out.

    If Turkey refuses to go along and presents proof that Mr Khashoggi was murdered, the Saudi government may try to blame the killing on rogue elements of the security services and say Crown Prince Mohammed did not know of their plans. Turkish officials told Middle East Eye they suspected Saudi Arabia may take this course.

    “It is not a feasible option, but at present, it looks like it's the only option and one that might head off the Senate's pursuit of the Global Magnitsky Act,” Dr Neil Quilliam, senior research fellow at Chatham House.

    US senators of both parties have banded together to trigger an investigation under the Global Magnitsky Act, a US law named after a Russian accountant murdered by the Kremlin. The law forces the White House to investigate suspected kidnappings and killings by foreign governments and to consider sanctions.

    The senators have said the probe should look at whether the “highest ranking officials in the government of Saudi Arabia” were involved in Mr Khashoggi’s death.

    Blaming the security services comes with its own risks. Turkey may demand Saudi Arabia hand over the alleged killers for prosecution, potentially causing a backlash for Crown Prince Mohammed at home.

    The prince would also be loath to say publicly that he was not fully in charge of the Saudi military. “He would face the question: does this guy have control over his own security forces? That in some ways is a worse question for MBS to face,” said Richard Lebaron, non-resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

    For now, the government looks set to hunker down and try to get through the Riyadh summit, scheduled for October 23. They will have been heartened to see that Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF, said she still planned to attend the summit even though she was “horrified” by reports of Mr Khashoggi’s death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    I wonder how many embassies the Turks have wired? That would go a long way to explaining how and what they say they know. Yet, how do they tip toe around that without opening saying we bugged that embassy and ergo maybe others?
    The stuff about the Apple watch having recorded the audio of Khashoggi's killing. Attribute it to that instead of bugging devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    What I think is hacking the body into small pieces, wrapping them up in plastic (containing blood dripping etc), makes it easier to pack the body in small diplomatic suitcases and then transport it, without arousing any suspicion.
    Why do you believe this hacking body into small bits story ? its seems like a motivated hook to get attention quick

    Instead how about, the Saudis abducted him in one piece back to Saudi. The Turks were unable to prevent it and raised the alarm.

    What creates the impression he's not alive is Turkey's reaction. The Saudi consulate might be sovereign territory but its in Istanbul and no leader will stand for it.

    Given the reaction to the Skirpals, its clear countries don't like others committing murders on their soil.

    Was there a murder though ? we don't know. But the Turks suspect it and hence the reaction.
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