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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    He doesn't follow history very well. Of all the nuclear confrontations between the US and the USSR, it was Moscow, not Washington DC who backed down.
    Hypothetical was my idea. Not Michael. I wanted to push your blockade idea some.

    The US will not be suckered into someone else's territorial dispute. The US will defend its vital sea trade lanes.
    Then there will be no blockade. FONOPS to continue as usual should China try to enforce an EEZ around the islands.

    He's ok if China with a defense budget of $200 billion has only one Senkaku to show for it : D

    But it stops there.

    He's not against a military response so blockade could be on the table but wants extra options


    The current conflict with Iran should serve as the example. Trump is ready to bomb Iran. It was others who talked him out of it when intel could not confirm it was the Iranians who planted those mines.
    Trump has been consistent there like with NK

    Michael is referring here to Trump's first order questioning of the value of alliances. eg. NATO expansion or defending islands.

    The questions are fine just that they need to not be voiced in public otherwise it gives opponents the wrong idea.
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    Things have been heating up in the region of late. Copy pasting this from a description of a youtube video dated Jul 26 that i watched recently

    Temperatures are on the boil in the maritime domain both in the South China Sea as well as the Sea of Japan that lies to its north east.

    While the Vietnam-China face-off in the energy rich and strategically located South China Sea (SCS) continues, the Sea of Japan too became a flashpoint earlier this week with no less than four nations--South Korea, Russia, Japan and China--involved in a spat.

    It happened after South Korea accused Russian and Chinese military aircraft of violating its airspace and fired 30 warning shots besides scrambling its jets. The Russian and Chinese aircraft had reportedly flown over the disputed Dokdo/Takeshima islands over which both South Korea and Japan stakes a claim.

    An angry Tokyo, with its claims on the island, in turn accused Seoul and Moscow of violating its airspace. In the meantime, the sparring between Vietnam and China in the South China Sea shows no signs of abating. Both nations have competing claims in this sea and both claim sovereignty and jurisdiction over it as their naval vessels confront each other in what Vietnam says is its Exclusive Economic Zone.

    In the first part of this exclusive interview with SNI Deputy Editor Parul Chandra, the Vietnamese ambassador to India Pham Sanh Chau maintains it is his country that has sovereign rights as per UNCLOS. He also says that despite differences over the SCS, Vietnam and China have “good relations”and ties that are evolving in a constructive manner. On the controversial Belt and Road Initiative of China (BRI), the envoy says while Vietnam understands India’s position on it, his country is part of it as it will promote prosperity in the region and beyond.
    Looks like the Russians are cooperating with China to create a diversion and take some of the heat of China's actions in the SCS.

    Dokdo/Takeshima ? not heard of them before

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute
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    Protest ? i thought they were friends. What about this verbal agreement between the leaders.

    Philippines protests 'swarming' of more than 100 Chinese vessels | Al Jazeera | Jul 31 2019

    The Philippines has increasingly become more outspoken against China in recent weeks, despite President Rodrigo Duterte's pronouncements that he wants to maintain closer ties with Beijing.

    On Tuesday, Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana accused China of bullying, saying that Beijing's peaceful assurances to Manila contrast with its behaviour in the contested waters.

    "They say we do not bully people around, they follow international law, but I said you are not, what you are telling is not what you are doing on the ground," Lorenzana said in one of his most stinging public rebukes yet of Chinese actions in territories claimed by Beijing, Manila and four other governments.

    Unless China does what it says, its words will be doubted and Filipinos will continue to look at Beijing with mistrust, said Lorenzana, a retired army general.
    No shit !

    He also cited China's low trust ratings in local opinion polls compared with those of the US, a treaty ally of the Philippines.
    Interesting

    Duterte, who revived ties with Beijing after taking office in 2016, has refused to immediately seek Chinese compliance to the arbitration ruling while seeking Chinese infrastructure funds and investment, often coming under criticism for his China-friendly approach.
    Ah so he is looking for a settlement then

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    In June of this year, PLA Navy carrier Liaoning sailed from the East China Sea, through the Miyako Strait and into the Pacific Ocean. While it wasn't the first time for the Liaoning to sail through the Miyako Strait and then come around the southern end of Taiwan and back to China, the June 2019 sail was the first time the carrier group sailed deep into the Pacific and came up near Guam. Afterwards it sailed west and towards the South end of the Philippines and then up north into the South China Sea. The following image was from Chinese websites about the patj of the PLAN carrier group.


    Here is an image of the 6 ships that made up the Liaoning carrier group as they passed through the Miyako Strait on June 10th. The pictures are from a JSDF report about the observation of those ships sailing by. The report itself is linked below the image.

    https://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press...0190611_01.pdf

    This video was taken by some Vietnamese on a small boat i the South China Sea when they unexpectedly came upon the Liaoning sailing by. The video description says that the video was taken in June, 2019.

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    It's a public statement to the Chinese. The JSDF can find the carrier. The JSDF can sink the carrier.

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