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  • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    US doesn't need Philippines to contain China, the USN can do it all by itself. So you can forget the blackmailing rhetoric.
    This is the typical US attitude, pretend they dont need you, because they are too arrogant to admit that they cannot pursue their goals without vital support from other nations. Worse, US always attempt to get what they want for free lol! Being a capitalist country, they should know better that there is no such thing as a free lunch. This is the very reason why they got booted out of the Clark airbase in the early 90s, they were paying the Philippine government a low rent despite the facility being located in a very strategic spot, the Philippine government then decided that enough is enough and asked the US to respect the Philippines as an equal partner and pay the right amount of rent to restore the dignity of the Filipino people. However, instead of acting like a responsible partner and ally, the US had thrown a tantrum and refused the generous offer of the Philippine government. Resorting to their traditional attitude of arrogance, thinking that they have no need for the Philippines, the US opted to pack up and leave. But their departure has revealed many violations of the country’s environmental laws and the toxic waste from the facility resulted to the sickness, disease and deaths of countless Filipinos that are living adjacent to the area. The US never acknowledged any responsibility for the waste generated by their shuttered facility. This is just one of the many grievances the Philippines had in to endure in the duration of its partnership with the United States.

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    • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
      This is the typical US attitude, pretend they dont need you, because they are too arrogant to admit that they cannot pursue their goals without vital support from other nations.
      The US didn't need you. The USSR collapsed. China was a WWI army trying to figure out a WWIII naval war with a WWII brown water navy with glorified U-Boats. The Phillipines could not hope to help to contain enemy brown water navies to their own brown waters.

      Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
      Worse, US always attempt to get what they want for free lol! Being a capitalist country, they should know better that there is no such thing as a free lunch. This is the very reason why they got booted out of the Clark airbase in the early 90s, they were paying the Philippine government a low rent despite the facility being located in a very strategic spot, the Philippine government then decided that enough is enough and asked the US to respect the Philippines as an equal partner and pay the right amount of rent to restore the dignity of the Filipino people.
      Sorry, that is not the way things worked themselves out. Mount Pinatubo destroyed both Clarke and Subic Bay. Clarke was declared a loss and Subic Bay was restored to limited operations. There was no strategic need to rebuild either base to fully operational status. US military budgets were seeing the axe. The US simply cannot justify spending that much on a 1400 man base that was essentially a parking garage.

      Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
      However, instead of acting like a responsible partner and ally, the US had thrown a tantrum and refused the generous offer of the Philippine government. Resorting to their traditional attitude of arrogance, thinking that they have no need for the Philippines, the US opted to pack up and leave.
      The US did not abandon the alliance. They simply saw no need to pay the Phillipines to participate in their own defence against a then non-existing threat. Clarke and Subic Bay was returned to the Phillipines.

      Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
      But their departure has revealed many violations of the country’s environmental laws and the toxic waste from the facility resulted to the sickness, disease and deaths of countless Filipinos that are living adjacent to the area. The US never acknowledged any responsibility for the waste generated by their shuttered facility. This is just one of the many grievances the Philippines had in to endure in the duration of its partnership with the United States.
      Sorry, not going to buy that one. The US offerred to clean up both Clarke and Subic Bay in exchange for the lease. Instead, Aquino told them to get out within a year. When you're evicting someone, don't expect them to leave your place in good order. One year is just enough time to get your stuff out. No one is going to bother to leave in spic and span conditions when you don't give them enough time.
      Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 30 Jun 19,, 19:18.
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      • The US didn't need you
        They need the Philippines but dont have the courage to admit it. just like the kind of denial you are doing now. Today, America is trying hard to bait the Philippines into entering a conflict against China, but with Duterte's leadership, such a scenario is very slim. The country's leadership won't change at least until elections in 2022, so China has enough time to dig in and establish a stronger relationship with the Philippines to nullify the chance of another warmongering stooge getting elected and restarting Washington's plan to start a war in the SCS.

        Mount Pinatubo destroyed both Clarke and Subic Bay
        You are deliberately twisting the point here, America can always rebuild the facilities, but America is CHEAP and don't want to spend a dime even for a long time ally like the Philippines. It only shows how little importance the US gives to its alliance with the Philippines. America is only using the Volcano event as an excuse, but really they simply dont want to pay the proper rent for these facilities. so much for the world's largest economy.

        The US did not abandon the alliance. They simply saw no need to pay the Phillipines to participate in their own defence against a then non-existing threat. Clarke and Subic Bay was returned to the Phillipines.
        This is another misleading statement, what is the use of an "Alliance" if the one who's supposed to come to your help is nowhere near your place? When the Soviet Union collapsed, did the US removed their bases in Europe? No. All America needs to do is swallow their pride and give the Philippines the compensation it deserves.

        When you're evicting someone, don't expect them to leave your place in good order. One year is just enough time to get your stuff out. No one is going to bother to leave in spic and span conditions when you don't give them enough time.
        Then such actions by the United States says alot about their TRUE nature. They have no honor and respect for their allies. In this instance, the United States could have vacated and cleaned up both facilities in just under 6 months IF they really wanted to. But the world's Biggest economy is not willing to spend 50 billion, 100 billion or 1 trillion $$$ for the sake of their ally. instead they back stabbed the Philippines and left their facilities oozing with harmful and deadly chemicals which caused great misery to thousands of Filipinos.

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        • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          They need the Philippines but dont have the courage to admit it. just like the kind of denial you are doing now.
          I am far from being a deniar. You, however, are living up to the name. I stated DID NOT as in past tense. When the US left Clark and Subic Bay, there was no strategic need for those bases. If you were asking those men in uniform to foresee today, then you better have a better cystal ball than they did.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          Today, America is trying hard to bait the Philippines into entering a conflict against China, but with Duterte's leadership, such a scenario is very slim.
          Bait the Philippines? Manila is doing all that herself. The US has no need to bait anyone. Ships doing FNOP are not deployed from the Philippines and it was not the US who invited themselves back to Clarke.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          The country's leadership won't change at least until elections in 2022, so China has enough time to dig in and establish a stronger relationship with the Philippines to nullify the chance of another warmongering stooge getting elected and restarting Washington's plan to start a war in the SCS.
          There won't be war in the SCS. The Chinese ain't stupid enough to start a fight they can't win.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          You are deliberately twisting the point here, America can always rebuild the facilities, but America is CHEAP and don't want to spend a dime even for a long time ally like the Philippines.
          Why would they do that when there was no strategic need? It's a waste of money to rebuild something that has no purpose. The Soviets were gone and the Chinese were a long way from becoming the concern (note I state concern, not a threat) that they are today.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          It only shows how little importance the US gives to its alliance with the Philippines. America is only using the Volcano event as an excuse, but really they simply dont want to pay the proper rent for these facilities. so much for the world's largest economy.
          How about you get some facts in first. Manila asked for a rent increase for Clarke in 1984. Washington said yes. Mainly because the US needed the Phillipines to ensure the LOCs to Japan against the USSR. In 1992, the Soviets were gone and the US only needed a garage at Subic Bay. They did not need nor want Clarke. Their offer was to clean up Clarke but to lease Subic Bay. Clarke was off the list no matter what.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          This is another misleading statement, what is the use of an "Alliance" if the one who's supposed to come to your help is nowhere near your place?
          The Senior partner decides alliance actions, not the junior. Besides, the Phillipines was not under direct military threat. No one was threatening military actions in Philipine waters.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          When the Soviet Union collapsed, did the US removed their bases in Europe? No.
          The US bases in Europe had another purpose. One which the British and French demanded after the USSR collapsed. To keep German military forces under NATO, ie American command. NATO was created to keep the Americans in Europe, the Soviets out, and the Germans down. The Soviets/Russians would have loved a neutral Germany. Paris and London would not tolerate it.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          All America needs to do is swallow their pride and give the Philippines the compensation it deserves.
          Sue them. I have yet to see any such court actions either in the US or the ICJ. If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          Then such actions by the United States says alot about their TRUE nature. They have no honor and respect for their allies. In this instance, the United States could have vacated and cleaned up both facilities in just under 6 months IF they really wanted to.
          Doesn't work that way. When you kick someone out, you assume all responsibility to your own lands. The Americans offerred clean ups in exchange for leasing rights but you've said get out. So, they got out. You didn't say clean up before you leave. You just say to get out. They did. You want the clean up? You have to give them the time and space to do it and that meant leasing Subic Bay.

          Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
          But the world's Biggest economy is not willing to spend 50 billion, 100 billion or 1 trillion $$$ for the sake of their ally. instead they back stabbed the Philippines and left their facilities oozing with harmful and deadly chemicals which caused great misery to thousands of Filipinos
          For fuck sakes, they lost an army and a fleet. Eighty thousand Americans bled to free you from Japan. I say that's more than living up to their end of the bargin.
          Chimo

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          • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
            However, instead of acting like a responsible partner and ally, the US had thrown a tantrum and refused the generous offer of the Philippine government. Resorting to their traditional attitude of arrogance, thinking that they have no need for the Philippines, the US opted to pack up and leave.
            I believe your Senate voted 12-11 not to ratify the new treaty which meant it fell 5 votes short. Both Aquino and the Philippine military were for ratification. No temper tantrum there. By the way that loss caused the loss of thousands of good jobs both at Subic and Clark that supported even more when you include all the family members supported. Both regions were devastated by those loss of jobs. Then Pinatubo hit and the Pampanga region really suffered with no way to recover courtesy your governments constant lack of money due to corruption. Consequently many from that region ended up in Manila looking for work, or panhandling on Roxas, and living under freeway overpasses. I know as I was there. A good friend of mine who worked on Clark, who ended up in Ermita, and then back in the Angeles area later finally made it out to Canada. She and her family are in both Canada and the US and are both in a better place all starting with losing her job at Clark.

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            • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
              They need the Philippines but dont have the courage to admit it. just like the kind of denial you are doing now. Today, America is trying hard to bait the Philippines into entering a conflict against China, but with Duterte's leadership, such a scenario is very slim. The country's leadership won't change at least until elections in 2022, so China has enough time to dig in and establish a stronger relationship with the Philippines to nullify the chance of another warmongering stooge getting elected and restarting Washington's plan to start a war in the SCS.
              Bwahaha, what a joke. You can't even defend your own 200 mile economic zone from Chinese incursions. Yet go ahead and establish tighter relations with China and see what it gets you. Lots of debt due to loans and then a bankrupt government that signs over Philippine property to the Chinese for 99 years. China won't tolerate a financial black hole and will expect her money back the easy way or the hard way but go ahead and live in your fantasy world kaibigan.

              You are making me think that my father wasted his time landing at Leyte and then losing his best friend in the mountains. Fortunately my wife, a Filipina, sees things much different from you.

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              • Impeach me, I'll jail you - Philippines' Duterte dares foes to test him | Reuters | Jun 28 2019

                Duterte vented his anger late on Thursday amid intense media scrutiny and accusations that he is siding with China over a June 9 sinking of a Filipino fishing boat by a Chinese vessel, which happened inside Manila’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

                The maverick leader has echoed Beijing’s line that it was an accident, not an intentional ramming, and shrugged off the presence of Chinese fishermen inside the Philippine EEZ, saying he would allow it out of friendship.

                Some high-profile critics, among them a top judge and a former foreign minister, have called that a breach of the constitution, or worthy of his impeachment.
                Oh! look some people in PH disagree with Duterte, wonder why

                “Me? Will be impeached? I will jail them all,” Duterte told reporters. “Try to do it and I will do it. Son of a bitch.”

                He added: “I am challenging you to do it. You really want to force my hand into it? Okay. You sons of bitches, do it. Yes. File it.”
                Who put this guy in office ? people of PH or is he like chief executive of HK appointed by Beijing

                U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet on Monday said there was a “very real risk of violence” for Filipinos who speak out, noting threats were publicly made by state officials.
                I see

                Some analysts say China’s offers of high-interest infrastructure loans and promises of massive investments have won Duterte’s acquiescence, but with much of that yet to materialise and China further militarising its artificial islands and strengthening its fishing militia, Duterte risks looking like he is being duped.
                Sounds familiar

                So I will reiterate what i said back in post #155

                Bolton will where Ash Carter would not.
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                • ^ This clown has all the authoritarian traits like his Chinese friends. I think Beijing has bought him, corrupt that is, and he's playing to Xi's looney tunes.
                  Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                  • When the US left Clark and Subic Bay, there was no strategic need for those bases.
                    A base that is right next to the SCS for you is of no strategic value? Stop your denial already and pay the Philippines its due compensation. Filipinos are not seeking confrontation with the US or China, but the US has kept the Philippines at the back stage for most of the duration of its alliance while both Japan and South Korea has been showered with generous financial and technological assistance from the US which helped transformed these countries into the big economies they are now. This all happened despite the Philippines being an American ally way before Japan or Korea.

                    Bait the Philippines? Manila is doing all that herself. The US has no need to bait anyone.
                    Then perhaps the US should shut up, be quiet and pursue its confrontation with China alone by itself without "urging" other countries to gangbang China in the SCS

                    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/05/17/...-fortification

                    There won't be war in the SCS. The Chinese ain't stupid enough to start a fight they can't win.
                    China is not interested in starting a war over the SCS anyways, it is the US who is pushing for confrontation in this area. But we all know that when an actual war happens, the US will just use the Philippines and all other unwilling participants in the SCS as live human shields to take the brunt of Chinese offensive while the average American live life comfortably thousands of miles away.

                    In 1992, the Soviets were gone and the US only needed a garage at Subic Bay. They did not need nor want Clarke.
                    But the Chinese and Vietnamese are still there, after a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Viet Cong, the US needed a forward base to keep Vietnam in check, but the US is cheap and did not wanted their long time ally the Philippines to benefit in their alliance. In short, the US is unwilling to shell billions of dollars for the Philippines, but is willing to do so for other countries like Japan or South Korea.

                    The Senior partner decides alliance actions, not the junior.
                    See? this is the kind of BS Duterte is talking about, the US never treated the Philippines as an equal partner but as a vassal. We were never paid enough compensation despite years of being a dependable US ally.

                    NATO was created to keep the Americans in Europe, the Soviets out, and the Germans down.
                    This is an important fact that many Germans should realize. I bet the US has the same attitude towards its other allies like the Philippines. keep the Philippines down so we wont have an independent voice in international matters. Unfortunately for the US, this is changing fast.

                    You didn't say clean up before you leave. You just say to get out.
                    Nope, the US is just like a rude and clumsy occupant. isn't the US a Superpower? like what I said, they could have spent $500 billion to speed up the clearing and clean up of the facilities. But the US decided to take the Cheap way out. If the US decides to man up and offer to pay the Philippines $11 Trillion then they will gain my respect. But until that day comes, America is the Cheap man of the world.

                    or fuck sakes, they lost an army and a fleet. Eighty thousand Americans bled to free you from Japan.
                    Stop pretending you do not know the circumstances in Asia during WWll. Japan was left with no other choice but to invade the Philippines because at the time the Philippines is under American occupation. If Americans are not in the Philippines at that time, lets say if it was still under Spain, then there will be no need for the Japanese to invade because their chief concern is the Americans, not the Spanish. Besides, America needed to clear out Japanese presence in the Philippines anyway, otherwise how do you expect to win the war when there are still Japanese forces in other parts of Asia? What i am saying here is, you are required to defeat Japan no matter what, so dont twist facts and make it look like America saved the Philippines out of goodwill. It is like going to your job, you dont go to work because you're doing your boss or the company you are working for a favour, you go to work because you needed to.

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                    • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                      Impeach me, I'll jail you - Philippines' Duterte dares foes to test him | Reuters | Jun 28 2019



                      Oh! look some people in PH disagree with Duterte, wonder why



                      Who put this guy in office ? people of PH or is he like chief executive of HK appointed by Beijing


                      I see


                      Sounds familiar

                      So I will reiterate what i said back in post #155

                      Bolton will where Ash Carter would not.
                      Sounds more and more like Duerte is on the take vis a vis Xi. Well he was always a thug first and now he is going to get his and probably already has. Always thought he would sell out the Philippines for 40 pieces of silver by letting China have exclusive rights to the countries 200 mile EEZ. So what if Filipino fishermen can't fish in waters they have fished for a thousand years. So what if poor Filipinos go hungry since they are used to that anyway. So what if Filipinos lose their land to rich Chinese investors as they live in shacks anyway. So what if Chinese workers are starting to flood into the country for jobs since Filipinos are used to having no jobs.
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                      • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
                        Stop pretending you do not know the circumstances in Asia during WWll. Japan was left with no other choice but to invade the Philippines because at the time the Philippines is under American occupation. If Americans are not in the Philippines at that time, lets say if it was still under Spain, then there will be no need for the Japanese to invade because their chief concern is the Americans, not the Spanish. Besides, America needed to clear out Japanese presence in the Philippines anyway, otherwise how do you expect to win the war when there are still Japanese forces in other parts of Asia? What i am saying here is, you are required to defeat Japan no matter what, so dont twist facts and make it look like America saved the Philippines out of goodwill. It is like going to your job, you dont go to work because you're doing your boss or the company you are working for a favour, you go to work because you needed to.
                        You can't be that ignorant can you? Never heard of the Co-Prosperity Sphere of which all were to become a part of, whether they liked it or not, freeing Asians of "Western" powers.

                        The man you are arguing with is so beyond your pay grade in knowledge.

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                        • Lots of debt due to loans and then a bankrupt government that signs over Philippine property to the Chinese for 99 years.
                          You say a lot of pessimistic predictions, but none of it is going to happen, your stories will remain as fairy tales.

                          You are making me think that my father wasted his time landing at Leyte and then losing his best friend in the mountains.
                          So you are implying that by driving away the Japs from the Philippines, Filipinos somehow owe you something? Like what I said, Japan wouldn't have invaded the Philippines if it wasn't for American presence in the country. So technically speaking, it is you Americans who invited Japan to invade the Philippines leading to the misery of millions of Filipinos.

                          Never heard of the Co-Prosperity Sphere of which all were to become a part of, whether they liked it or not, freeing Asians of "Western" powers.
                          This is another example of an imaginative rant. Were central and south American countries consulted about the Monroe doctrine?

                          So what if poor Filipinos go hungry since they are used to that anyway.
                          As if America would have done something different? How many times do I have to repeat myself? America has been a close ally of the Philippines for close to a century. Did America even bothered to lift Filipinos out of poverty? No. What kind of an Ally is America then? You back stabbed Filipinos and instead bankrolled Japan and South Korea just because they are closer to the Soviet Union. You even befriended China, a communist dictatorship just so you can USE them against the Soviets. America has no morality or dignity to boast for.

                          So what if Filipinos lose their land to rich Chinese investors as they live in shacks anyway.
                          But I bet it is totally okay if it were rich American investors isnt it? It is still fresh in my mind back in 2002 during a school field trip, our class went to see the ocean adventure show in Subic, but outside the venue, close to the beach, we were told by a security personnel that locals were NOT allowed close to the beach as their "White" boss didn't want Filipinos in the property. Perhaps you will argue that since this "White" person somewhat owns the property because of his investment, he has every right to keep anyone he doesn't like from trespassing. But what if the owner is a Chinese person? Are you going to change your tune and cry how Chinese investors are stealing land from poor Filipinos?

                          Well he was always a thug first and now he is going to get his and probably already has.
                          Duterte was voted into office because the previous Pro-American president (Aquino) was so unpopular due to his failed policies. After normalizing relations with China, Chinese investments started flowing in and it greatly helped the economy to grow. America on the other hand, wanted the Philippines to take a hostile attitude towards China, but is unwilling to compensate for the resulting economic loss due to such policies. America is Cheap.

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                          • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                            Sounds more and more like Duerte is on the take vis a vis Xi. Well he was always a thug first and now he is going to get his and probably already has. Always thought he would sell out the Philippines for 40 pieces of silver by letting China have exclusive rights to the countries 200 mile EEZ. So what if Filipino fishermen can't fish in waters they have fished for a thousand years. So what if poor Filipinos go hungry since they are used to that anyway. So what if Filipinos lose their land to rich Chinese investors as they live in shacks anyway. So what if Chinese workers are starting to flood into the country for jobs since Filipinos are used to having no jobs.
                            Look for transparency or its lack thereof

                            Duterte-Xi fishing deal verbal — Palace | PH Inquirer | Jul 02 2019

                            There is no written agreement between President Rodrigo Duterte and Chinese President Xi Jinping that allows the Chinese to fish in Philippine waters, Malacaņang said on Monday.

                            Presidential spokesperson Salvador Panelo said the agreement referred to last week by the President was just a verbal understanding reached by the two leaders during a bilateral meeting in 2016.

                            The President mentioned the deal on Monday last week in explaining why he could not bar the Chinese from fishing in the West Philippine Sea, the waters within the Philippines’ 370-kilometer exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the heavily disputed South China Sea.

                            But Panelo said he agreed with the President that forcing the implementation of the exclusivity clause would be “courting danger.”

                            “China would not want that,” Panelo said.

                            China claims nearly the entire South China Sea, including the greater part of the Philippine EEZ and waters close to the shores of other Southeast Asian claimants in the strategic waterway — Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam.

                            He said the agreement allowed Filipinos to fish again at Panatag Shoal, also known as Scarborough Shoal, which China blockaded after seizing it from the Philippines in 2012.

                            “Remember we weren’t allowed in Scarborough (Shoal) before. They were being shooed away. But after that (the agreement), things were OK,” Panelo said.
                            Who cares what China wants, what matters here is what PH wants. Is PH sovereign or not ?!?!


                            Lawmakers and maritime law experts said the deal was a violation of Article XII, Section 2 of the Constitution, which requires the state to protect Philippine territory and reserves the use of the country’s marine resources for Filipinos.

                            They said that such a deal needed congressional approval and that the President could be impeached for violating the exclusivity clause.
                            This is what constitutions usually do. Protect the rights of the people concerned. Leaders getting into deals with foreign powers is ultravires

                            Vice President Leni Robredo, speaking on her radio program on Sunday, called for transparency from Malacaņang on the deal with Xi.

                            [W]e do not know the terms of [the] agreement. If this is… a treaty, then it has to be approved by Senate,” Robredo said.
                            Right, this time there isn't even a hidden agreement, there is nothing written down.

                            In 2016, however, the UN-backed Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, ruling on a challenge brought by the Philippines, declared China’s claim had no basis in international law and said it violated the Philippines’ sovereign right to fish and explore resources in its own exclusive economic zone.

                            China ignored the ruling and went on to build artificial islands on seven Philippine-claimed reefs in the South China Sea that it later developed into military outposts.

                            The President also set aside the ruling in exchange for aid, loans and investment from China.
                            So here is the crux. PH won the arbitration. If they now make a deal with China they are in effect annulling that arbitration because now there is no dispute.

                            Then we can say the purpose of the arbitration was to get a payout or some out of court settlement from China ? better be good.

                            What are those seven reefs, no fishing or prospecting for minerals by PH in the west worth then ?

                            President Duterte said Xi had warned that China would go to war if the Philippines insisted on its claim over the South China Sea.
                            Oh really ? Mr. strongman tells US to take a hike but is afraid of war with China.

                            Panelo on Monday said the exclusivity clause was the basis of the verbal understanding with Xi.

                            He dismissed Bayan Muna’s criticism that the agreement was disclosed only last week, saying it had been mentioned a couple of times in the past.
                            “We’ve been saying that even before, even myself. There was a deal, that’s why Scarborough Shoal was resolved,” Panelo said.

                            He, however, said the deal did not mean the Philippines would no longer assert its rights in the South China Sea.

                            “That’s the modus vivendi. We’re giving way as of now. But it doesn’t mean that we won’t invoke it in due time,” Panelo said, referring to the Hague court’s ruling.
                            Hang on a minute, you say China can fish in your zone but you can also invoke the Hague ruling in due time ? haha i don't think so.

                            An article i read from the 80s described China thus, a thief that breaks into your house and when you catch him says you can keep your wallet but he's taking your coat.
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                            • Who cares what China wants, what matters here is what PH wants. Is PH sovereign or not ?!?!
                              You pretend that you care for what PH wants, but really you just want to bait the PH into conflict with China. Duterte is smart and he knows how to unmask deceivers like you. Stop using the Philippines as your pawn in your game of rivalry against China.

                              Oh really ? Mr. strongman tells US to take a hike but is afraid of war with China.
                              Your statement makes no sense. What does the US have to do with Duterte’s decision to not engage in a war against China? Should Duterte be somewhat Afraid of the US? Is the US going to overthrow him to place another American puppet in power? The US needs to pay up the money that they owe to the Philippines. Period.

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                              • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
                                You pretend that you care for what PH wants, but really you just want to bait the PH into conflict with China. Duterte is smart and he knows how to unmask deceivers like you. Stop using the Philippines as your pawn in your game of rivalry against China.
                                Article XII, Section 2 of the PH Constitution ?

                                Why is this guy giving away PH's rights. On what authority ? his whims or people of PH cause i'm not seeing any involvement by the latter

                                I'd expect sovereign countries to stand up from their rights. That is if you intend to remain sovereign.

                                Your statement makes no sense. What does the US have to do with Duterte’s decision to not engage in a war against China? Should Duterte be somewhat Afraid of the US? Is the US going to overthrow him to place another American puppet in power? The US needs to pay up the money that they owe to the Philippines. Period.
                                His statement makes no sense because its BS!

                                China is not going to start a war with PH over these islands so why then is he misleading his people.

                                As i said before the Viets don't take this crap why should PH

                                You already have a statement from Bolton, why then cave into China's demands ?

                                NB: i'm still waiting for your intro !
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