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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
    When those same mobile air defenses are alerted that B-1s have been spotted at standoff range for cruise missiles they're going to break camp and setup elsewhere.
    A textbook example of SEAD. Breaking down, moving , setting up they capability to shoot has been suppressed. Mission accomplished
    The F-35 can also provide interdiction or CAS despite the fact that some undiscovered TELs are still out there in the wild. In order for 4th gens to accomplish the same you have to field them in huge numbers for mutual support (Recon, Ewar, SEAD, and Air Cover just to support a few Strikers) which exponentially increases the number of refueling assets required, along with the C&C and logistics required to put that kind of package together. A few F-35s can handle the same job without all that support which means they can actually be responsive to immediate needs instead of waiting for HQ to draw up an elaborate battle plan.
    Maybe in the 1970s/80s. We don't do Alpha strikes anymore. F-18s have proven the capability to self escort and still drop bombs on deck. F-16s can do the same.
    As far as immediate needs we have used CAS stacks since Desert Storm.
    Immediate need fulfillment with just a call to the DASC
    Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Maybe in the 1970s/80s. We don't do Alpha strikes anymore. F-18s have proven the capability to self escort and still drop bombs on deck. F-16s can do the same.
    As far as immediate needs we have used CAS stacks since Desert Storm.
    Immediate need fulfillment with just a call to the DASC
    That works just fine when the opposition has SA-2s and Shilkas that are mostly left to their own devices. I don't know of any way to avoid the Alpha strike model with 4th gen fighters against a modern and competent IADS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
    That works just fine when the opposition has SA-2s and Shilkas that are mostly left to their own devices. I don't know of any way to avoid the Alpha strike model with 4th gen fighters against a modern and competent IADS.
    The big selling point of the f-18 was with smarter airplanes and weapons you could do more damage (on target) with less aircraft than you could with a whole Vietnam- era airwing. The Alpha strike getting all those dissimilar aircraft in place on time took a lot of gas and effort. A pain in the ass is how two former USN aviator strike leaders descriped it.

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