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    Longer they remain the grey list, the harder it is to defend their actions and the risk of entering the black list increases.

    FATF retains Pakistan in ‘grey list’, delivers a sharp warning on blacklisting | HT | Feb 20 2020

    China will be stepping down as FATF chair this June. Germany will be the next FATF chair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Longer they remain the grey list, the harder it is to defend their actions and the risk of entering the black list increases.

    FATF retains Pakistan in ‘grey list’, delivers a sharp warning on blacklisting | HT | Feb 20 2020

    China will be stepping down as FATF chair this June. Germany will be the next FATF chair.
    It's better to keep them in grey list indefinitely, gives them an incentive to shape up.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by 667medic View Post
    It's better to keep them in grey list indefinitely, gives them an incentive to shape up.......
    The word 'farce' keeps coming up in youtube comments

    Why isn't Pakistan in the blacklist already ? FATF is a farce

    How long has Pakistan been in the grey list now ? FATF is a farce.

    If Pakistan complies with all the FATF conditions they can exit the grey list ? FATF is a farce

    Nobody understands the cost of being in the grey list to begin with.

    It increases the cost of insurance premiums and loans to Pakistan to the tune of $10 bn annually.

    For a country that is already reeling under a mountain of debt this is no easy thing.

    Keeping them in the grey list, in this case they have got an extension gives the Paks an incentive to clean up.

    They have enacted the laws required, only thing left is to implement them.

    Should they do so their ability to fund terror will be greatly constrained.

    An India win.

    As counter intuitive as it seems keeping the Paks in the grey list offers them an incentive to get out of it ie by complying.

    Black listing them gives them no incentive to comply, they could just say the world is against us and to hell with it.

    Iran & NK are in the black list for some time now. Has it made them change their ways ? no

    Should Pakistan remain as stubborn there may be no choice but to black list them as defending them will get harder for the three countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    The word 'farce' keeps coming up in youtube comments

    Why isn't Pakistan in the blacklist already ? FATF is a farce

    How long has Pakistan been in the grey list now ? FATF is a farce.

    If Pakistan complies with all the FATF conditions they can exit the grey list ? FATF is a farce

    Nobody understands the cost of being in the grey list to begin with.

    It increases the cost of insurance premiums and loans to Pakistan to the tune of $10 bn annually.

    For a country that is already reeling under a mountain of debt this is no easy thing.

    Keeping them in the grey list, in this case they have got an extension gives the Paks an incentive to clean up.

    They have enacted the laws required, only thing left is to implement them.

    Should they do so their ability to fund terror will be greatly constrained.

    An India win.

    As counter intuitive as it seems keeping the Paks in the grey list offers them an incentive to get out of it ie by complying.

    Black listing them gives them no incentive to comply, they could just say the world is against us and to hell with it.

    Iran & NK are in the black list for some time now. Has it made them change their ways ? no

    Should Pakistan remain as stubborn there may be no choice but to black list them as defending them will get harder for the three countries.
    Keeping them in the grey list is a constant reminder that the world hasn't yet forgotten their shenanigans. In any case they won't be allowed to go belly up, they friends and masters will make sure of that. But being in a grey list is big humiliation, the longer the better.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    I don't get it. If China backed India that means Pakistan has only two supporters. How then did they stay out of the black list ?

    Or does it mean, in June that China will not be supporting Pakistan any longer ?

    Also she says 12 members need to support Pakistan to get out of the grey list. The number is actually 15, they are including votes for the 3 Pak supporters in there.

    FATF statement on Pakistan for Feb 2020

    Since June 2018, when Pakistan made a high-level political commitment to work with the FATF and APG to strengthen its AML/CFT regime and to address its strategic counter-terrorist financing-related deficiencies, Pakistan’s political commitment has led to progress in a number of areas in its action plan, including risk-based supervision and pursuing domestic and international cooperation to identify cash couriers. Pakistan should continue to work on implementing its action plan to address its strategic deficiencies, including by:

    (1) demonstrating that remedial actions and sanctions are applied in cases of AML/CFT violations, relating to TF risk management and TFS obligations;

    (2) demonstrating that competent authorities are cooperating and taking action to identify and take enforcement action against illegal money or value transfer services (MVTS);

    (3) demonstrating the implementation of cross-border currency and BNI controls at all ports of entry, including applying effective, proportionate and dissuasive sanctions;

    (4) demonstrating that law enforcement agencies (LEAs) are identifying and investigating the widest range of TF activity and that TF investigations and prosecutions target designated persons and entities, and those acting on behalf or at the direction of the designated persons or entities;

    (5) demonstrating that TF prosecutions result in effective, proportionate and dissuasive sanctions

    (6) demonstrating effective implementation of targeted financial sanctions (supported by a comprehensive legal obligation) against all 1267 and 1373 designated terrorists and those acting for or on their behalf, including preventing the raising and moving of funds, identifying and freezing assets (movable and immovable), and prohibiting access to funds and financial services;

    (7) demonstrating enforcement against TFS violations including administrative and criminal penalties and provincial and federal authorities cooperating on enforcement cases;

    (8) demonstrating that facilities and services owned or controlled by designated person are deprived of their resources and the usage of the resources.

    All deadlines in the action plan have expired.

    While noting recent and notable improvements, the FATF again expresses concerns given Pakistan’s failure to complete its action plan in line with the agreed timelines and in light of the TF risks emanating from the jurisdiction.

    To date, Pakistan has largely addressed 14 of 27 action items, with varying levels of progress made on the rest of the action plan.

    The FATF strongly urges Pakistan to swiftly complete its full action plan by June 2020.

    Otherwise, should significant and sustainable progress especially in prosecuting and penalising TF not be made by the next Plenary, the FATF will take action, which could include the FATF calling on its members and urging all jurisdiction to advise their FIs to give special attention to business relations and transactions with Pakistan.
    See, how many times the word demonstrating comes up. That's what Sushant meant about implementing the laws they enacted.

    The deadline is June this year.

    Now we need a translation of that underlined bit. Is that blacklist ?
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    Peace in Afghanistan would unleash islamic barbarians birthed, nurtured, radicalized, funded & armed by the Pakistan Army into India. Dark days are coming, but with the BJP in the center I hope we throw a couple of bricks back at Pakistan for a stone hurled at us.
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    J&K was, is and always will be an integral part of India. Which part of this statement does the fcuking PA doesn't understand? Radical islamic butchers, pitiful losers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    I read this exact news a while back, this is definitely not news of February. Something's cooking, I don't know exactly what.
    Here's a clue

    He, however, did not respond to the part of the question quoting reports that India's national security authorities could notify the UN pursuant to relevant Security Council legal instruments to expose the nuclear proliferation nexus between China and Pakistan.
    We're trying to build leverage against the two : )

    Two birds one stone. Elegant.

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