For Pakistan, terrorism is a state-sponsored business

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^ Edited: It is from a talk show at IndoiAnalytics conclave on Article35A. Capt Sikander Rizvi is the guy. His father was from Skardu (Gilgit Baltistan), mother from Lucknow. He was born in India, a Shia. He talks at length about the biggest land scam of the partition, which became Pakistan.

There are other eminent personalities too. Major General G. D. Bakshi, RSN Singh etc. He also made a point that every house in GB bakes 10 thick breads everyday. The excess food is for the Indian Army when the Army finally cross over the LoC to liberate them. People of GB support India, and want to be with India. This is a fact. But they don't speak out of fear of the PA and ISI, as also terrorists employed by the PA.

Maybe I posted the talk show/conference earlier. I don't remember.

Posted the video below.

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Maybe I posted the talk show/conference earlier. I don't remember.

No, you didn't and i'd like to hear it.

I don't remember Modi saying anything about GB, everybody knows about his mention of Baluchistan at the independence day speech.

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^ Modi's Balochistan speech meant - you (Pakistan) do shit in India, we do shit in Balochistan. Kind of a warning, which Doval said years back before he became NSA. That another 26/11 happens, Pakistan loses Balochistan, notwithstanding what the Americans think about that. If an objective has to be achieved, it has to be achieved, no matter the costs.

Not everything is up for public consumption. I will try to find the video and post it.

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This is the video.

Dude is the owner of an airline -> http://www.virgoair.com/virgoair.html

Rich huh!

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The saga of Hafiz Saeed

When an “under pressure” Pakistan initiated “23 cases against Hafiz Saeed and his 12 aides over terrorism-financing”, the news was immediately flashed on the front pages of all the major Indian newspapers. In Pakistan, only Daily Times carried the story on July 4: “The counter-terrorism department (CTD) said it had launched 23 cases against Hafiz Saeed and 12 of his aides for using five trusts to collect funds and donations for Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). Two banned LeT-linked charities, Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) and Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation (FIF), were also targeted, the department said in a statement. ‘All the assets of these organisations and individuals will be frozen and taken over by the state’, said a counter-terrorism senior official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak publicly.” The counter-terrorism department said the action is in accordance with UN sanctions against the individuals and entities.

According to the CTD press release, those booked include Hafiz Saeed, Abdul Rehman Makki, Malik Zafar Iqbal, Ameer Hamza, Yahya Aziz, Naeem Sheikh, Mohsin Bilal, Abdul Raqeeb, Ahmad Daud, Muhammad Ayub, Abdullah Ubaid, Muhammad Ali and Abdul Ghaffar. The cases were registered in Lahore, Gujranwala and Multan on July 1-2 “for collection of funds for terrorism financing through assets/properties made and held in the names of trusts/non-profit organisations (NPO)”, including Al-Anfaal Trust, Dawat ul Irshad Trust, Muaz Bin Jabal Trust, Al Hamd Trust and Al Madina Foundation Trust.

No mention was made of the courts Hafiz Saeed had been running across the country. In 2016, the daily, The News (April 9, 2016), had disclosed that Saeed had been doing something unforgivable: Running stealth courts in violation of the constitution of Pakistan: “The supra-constitutional Sharia courts, established by Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), operate across the country and only the Lahore court of this parallel judicial system has issued verdicts in 5,550 cases, including murder trials”.

Working for The Friday Times in 2002, the writer of this column had written something for which Hafiz Saeed had issued a legal notice to him “for denigrating the Companions of the Prophet”. After discovering that neither the Punjab government, nor the legal establishment, were prepared to defend him in court — lawyers had refused to take the case — he was forced to present himself at the stately office of Hafiz Saeed on Lake Road, Lahore, and abjectly beg him for mercy, which he gracefully bestowed on him. The “offending article” had contained the following paragraph in The Friday Times.

“Very little has appeared in the press about the politics of Hafiz Saeed’s Lashkar-e-Taiba and its mother organisation, Dawat wal-Irshad, because of the close coordination it enjoyed with its ‘handlers’. Hafiz Saeed in his early heady days took on Ahle Hadith (with whom he shared his Wahhabi creed) and criticised their inertia with regard to jihad. Ahle Hadith (Sajid Mir faction) hit back and discussed details about Lashkar-e-Taiba that no one in Pakistan dared discuss for fear of the state. One 1993 cassette containing the khutba-e-juma in Faisalabad of Qari Abdul Hafeez of Ahle Hadith (Sajid Mir faction) described the activities of Lashkar-e-Taiba that could only be condoned in deference to its effective participation in the covert war in Kashmir.”

The charges levelled by Qari Hafeez can be summarised as follows. “Despite the fact that the leaders of Lashkar-e-Taiba held that a boy going for jihad did not need the permission of his parents, their own sons did not go to jihad because ‘their mothers did not give permission’; that the Abu Jandal Group of the Lashkar looted banks in Pakistan in the (wrongly attributed) tradition of a Companion of the Prophet (PBUH) who used to loot caravans to strengthen Islam; that members of the Lashkar abducted Barelvi girls and kept them as slaves, claiming that Hafiz Saeed had allowed the custom of keeping slave girls; and that colossal sums of money gathered in the name of jihad were pocketed by the leaders of Lashkar.”

The pressure this month to “do something” has come from the Paris-based Financial Action Task Force (FATF), which, last year, placed Pakistan on its “grey list” of countries with inadequate controls over money-laundering and terrorism-financing. The international watchdog gave Pakistan an October 2019 deadline “to improve its efforts against terrorism-financing” if it didn’t want to end up on the black list. The United States had offered $10 million for Hafiz Saeed’s head; Pakistan finally offered it on a platter and, as quid pro quo, got the US to declare the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) a terrorist organisation. The BLA has been India’s tit-for-tat response for the Pakistani “nonstate actors” attacking inside India.

The “case” Pakistan pretended to run against Hafiz Saeed’s strongman, Lakhwi, had come to nothing for “lack of evidence”. Yet, Geo TV‘s anchor, Kamran Khan, in his November 12, 2012 programme had revealed that Pakistani officials had told the anti-terrorism court judge, Chaudhry Habibur Rehman, on November 10, 2012, that terrorists who attacked and killed over 166 innocent people in Mumbai on November 26, 2012, belonged to Lashkar-e-Taiba and that they had trained in various cities of Pakistan. The mastermind of this attack, Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, was under trial at Adiala Jail in Rawalpindi.

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^ Edited: It is from a talk show at IndoiAnalytics conclave on Article35A. Capt Sikander Rizvi is the guy. His father was from Skardu (Gilgit Baltistan), mother from Lucknow. He was born in India, a Shia. He talks at length about the biggest land scam of the partition, which became Pakistan.

There are other eminent personalities too. Major General G. D. Bakshi, RSN Singh etc. He also made a point that every house in GB bakes 10 thick breads everyday. The excess food is for the Indian Army when the Army finally cross over the LoC to liberate them. People of GB support India, and want to be with India. This is a fact. But they don't speak out of fear of the PA and ISI, as also terrorists employed by the PA.

Maybe I posted the talk show/conference earlier. I don't remember.

Posted the video below.

ok, the way to make this happen is fix J&K. Make it prosperous then let things happen on their own.

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ok, the way to make this happen is fix J&K. Make it prosperous then let things happen on their own.

Agree, and keep killing terrorists (local and Pakistanis), bomb PA assets and terrorist infrastructure if attacks happen on a large scale.

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The United States had offered $10 million for Hafiz Saeed’s head; Pakistan finally offered it on a platter and, as quid pro quo, got the US to declare the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) a terrorist organisation. The BLA has been India’s tit-for-tat response for the Pakistani “nonstate actors” attacking inside India.

So that was the deal. BLA for Hafez Saeed

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So that was the deal. BLA for Hafez Saeed

Told you earlier that could have been the case. But, in this negotiation, it was China who would have demanded it, as BLA have attacked Chinese interests in Balochistan. Pakistan is not worth a dime to negotiate any damn thing.

Pakistan tries to thwart extradition of Dawood''s top aide to US

Terrorism. Narcotics smuggling. Kidnapping. Killing minorities. Fake currency smuggling. Genocide. All wars lost. Half country lost.
What else is there to define Pakistan?

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Clients and patrons

KARACHI’S outskirts smelled of perfume and my father was outraged. It was 1959, I was just over eight years old, and president Dwight D. Eisenhower had stopped briefly in Karachi at the invitation of president-general Mohammed Ayub Khan. No city dweller then alive and aware could ever forget this visit. But few of them saw it for it was, a sign of things to come for the next 60 years.

Public and private buildings across the city had been spruced up weeks earlier. Decorative lights installed, roads re-carpeted, welcoming rehearsals performed in schools, and a massive musical fountain (later demolished) was especially constructed. Businesses, shops, and schools were ordered shut that day thus enabling three quarters of a million people — one of every three city residents — to line the roads holding banners “We like Ike” and to cheer the motorcade.

Eisenhower’s plane was scheduled to land at Mauripur air force base. In those days, the road to the city centre had a three- to four-kilometre stretch passing by the poverty-stricken Machar Colony. Carried by the sea breeze, the stench from its leather tanneries and of sewers filled with rotting fish forced you to hold your nose. Lest the American president’s olfactory sensibilities be offended, drums of perfume were flown in from Paris and sprayed along the roadsides.

The payoff was generous for Pakistan’s government, and its powerful and its rich. US military and economic aid nearly doubled two to three years later and an entire air force was gifted to Pakistan. In the words of secretary of state John Foster Dulles, Pakistan was now “America’s most allied ally”. But high expectations were to sour soon. In 1965, Pakistan launched Operation Gibraltar in Kashmir and India counter attacked. There was high national indignation when the US abruptly stopped military supplies in the middle of the war.

The feeling of betrayal was still greater in 1971 after the American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Enterprise and Naval Task Force 94 steamed out of the Bay of Bengal to signal their retreat. Nixon and Kissinger had promised to help Pakistan’s embattled army but the Soviets calmly persuaded them otherwise. Then came the nuclear sanctions, followed by a spurt in aid in exchange for support for America’s Afghan war. But when it was over there were more sanctions.

There’s a long, tortured history. After 9/11 came more aid for supporting yet another war in Afghanistan. Remember when the entire Council of Foreign Relations stood upon its feet to applaud Gen Musharraf? As he proudly acknowledges in In The Line of Fire, his government had filled Guantanamo prison with captured Al Qaeda members in a flat exchange for US dollars. But finally the US dumped Pakistan and chose India instead. The divorce is now total.

Rather than kick its dependency habits, Pakistan has sought and found new patrons. But, warned by earlier experiences, it’s surely time for us to reflect on the very nature of the patron-client relationship and its enduring costs. Three lessons will suffice for now.

First, in a fundamentally asymmetric strong-weak relationship the weak are anxious to appear weak because they hope deference will pay. Now the prime minister chauffeurs around visiting Arab princes, or dishes out the highest national civil awards to Gulf emirs with the deepest pockets, or relaxes hunting laws for houbara bustards, or doles out land and contracts to Chinese companies without accountability. Self-respect, it seems, is a small price to pay for a patron’s protection and largesse.

Second, a client frequently compromises on important principles for fear of annoying a patron. Pakistan cannot speak about the gulag-like situation of Chinese Muslims. Nor dare it protest the American-Saudi-Israeli war build up against Iran. Also politically impossible was any statement regretting the Saudi-led airstrike on a school bus in Yemen earlier this year that killed dozens of young children. Palestine stands forlorn and forgotten.

Third, patrons have their own interests. To call a friendship higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the oceans, and stronger than steel may be good poetry. But patrons act after a cold calculation of losses and gains. China’s silence on Kashmir and its climb-down in May at the United Nations on Masood Azhar’s blacklisting shows just how carefully it weighs things. Saudi Arabia, on which Pakistan pins its hopes, went along with India.

What’s the alternative? How does a weak state survive in a cruel world without a protector? For a start, that state can build confidence by putting its own house in order. When its citizens see it committed above all else to meeting their needs, they are more likely to protect it. They will then pay their due share of taxes because the state is seen as fulfilling its obligations. But if obviously legitimate demands, such as the presumption of equal rights stemming from citizenship, a freedom from arbitrary arrest and persecution, the removal of land mines and unnecessary check posts etc., are refused then expect rebellion not patriotism.

Legitimacy matters. It grows from the rule of law being applied equally and fairly for rich and poor alike, and for those in uniform and out of uniform. This means the judicial system must not be tampered with. You do not make a country strong by engineering the removal of judges who have courageously followed the law and their convictions.

People make their state strong. For this they need wide-awake minds, some understanding of how the world works, and a voice in national decisions. Such people are not easily swayed by conspiracy theories or a foreign hand. Instead of battling with demons in some imaginary 5-G hybrid war, they can put their energy where it’s needed.

Statecraft is not rocket science. It’s actually much harder because it needs wisdom, compassion, foresight and courage. So why not try making peace at home and with our immediate neighbours to the east and west? Now that we’ve again said Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar have been put away, let’s stick to our promise this time. We may then not need to import perfumes from Paris.

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Told you earlier that could have been the case. But, in this negotiation, it was China who would have demanded it, as BLA have attacked Chinese interests in Balochistan. Pakistan is not worth a dime to negotiate any damn thing.

Pakistan tries to thwart extradition of Dawood''s top aide to US

Terrorism. Narcotics smuggling. Kidnapping. Killing minorities. Fake currency smuggling. Genocide. All wars lost. Half country lost.
What else is there to define Pakistan?

They're afraid what will come out

In fact, Pakistan fears that once Motiwala is extradited to the US, the close aide of D-Company can reveal the entire nexus between Dawood Ibrahim''s underworld network (being operated from Karachi) and the don''s connection with Pakistan''s spy agency, the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI).

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They're afraid what will come out

And what the Americans then will ask from Pakistan. Hehehehe.

These terrorists (PAKISTANI ARMY & ISI) always get caught with their pants down. Clowns.

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This - Adil Ahmad Dass killing: Did Hizbul Mujahideen and LeT lure Islamic State militants into a trap?

Then, this - PoK-based United Jihad Council breaks silence on killing of Adil Dass due to suspected infighting, calls for unity among militant groups

Now, it is getting interesting, this - In chilling warning to LeT, HM in Kashmir, Islamic State affiliate warns it 'will feel no weakness in slaying these enemies of Islam'

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Dawood Ibrahim not in Pakistan, says Pakistan Foreign Office

Lol.

Atal Bihari Vajpayee wanted Pakistan Army camp hit after Parliament attack, claims book

India's defence preparedness should be such that the moment we get hit, 5 mins later missiles should start striking their targets.

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Rallies planned to mark Wani’s 3rd martyrdom anniversary

Oh Ghazis, what would have Mohammed done without you!