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    Seems we've upped our imports of American oil

    India's oil import from US hits record levels ahead of Iran sanctions | TOI| Jul 12 2018

    HOUSTON/NEW DELHI: US crude oil exports to India hit a record in June and so far this year are almost double last year's total as the Asian nation's refiners move to replace supplies from Iran and Venezuela in a win for the Trump administration.

    US President Donald Trump's administration has been pressuring its allies to cut imports of Iranian goods to zero by November and India's shift advances the US administration efforts to use energy to further its political goals.

    The United States has become a major crude exporter, sending 1.76 million barrels per day (bpd) abroad in April, according to the latest government figures.

    All told, producers and traders in the United States will send more than 15 million barrels of US crude to India this year through July, compared with 8 million barrels in all of 2017.

    The exports to India could go higher if China imposes levies on its US oil imports over the latest round of US tariffs, which could damp Chinese purchases and lead US crude prices lower.

    Incidentally, India's monthly oil imports from Iran declined to 592,800 barrels per day (bpd) in June, down 16 per cent from May, according to data from industry and shipping sources.

    A K Sharma, head of finance at Indian Oil Corporation, the country's top refiner, said US crude is gaining appeal because of its lower cost, and could expand further if China cuts its imports of US energy.

    "If China levies a tariff on US oil then US imports to India will probably rise," he said. "We are looking for a mini-term deal to buy three to four cargoes of US oil over a period of three to six months instead of buying single cargoes."


    Last month, India's oil ministry asked refiners to prepare to limit imports of Iranian oil ahead of US sanctions that take effect in November.

    The United States is reimposing sanctions after withdrawing from a 2015 agreement with Iran, Russia, China and several Western European countries where Iran agreed to curtail its nuclear activities in return for the lifting of earlier sanctions.

    Venezuelan crude shipments to the Asian country also fell 21 per cent in the first half of this year as production has been hampered by inadequate investment, mismanagement and US sanctions.

    Adding to its exports crisis, the US has been increasing sanctions on various Venezuelan nationals and companies, part of a campaign to pressure socialist President Nicolas Maduro to make political and market reforms.

    Iran and Venezuela are among India's top five oil suppliers.

    The Trump administration plans to send a delegation in the coming months to India to discuss Iran sanctions and oil issues.

    "Our focus is to work with those countries importing Iranian crude to get as many of them as possible down to zero by Nov. 4," a US State Department official said.

    The world's fourth largest refiner by capacity is "cutting back on Iranian crude imports," said Reid l'Anson, an analyst at cargo tracking firm Kpler. "That's an opportunity for US producers to sell into the Indian market. Indian demand is quite robust."

    Reuters' vessel tracking data show three of the eight tankers charted by Swiss and Chinese traders and sent to India in recent weeks were destined for a port near Reliance Industries Ltd's Jamnagar refinery, the world's largest. Three others are headed for undisclosed ports on India's west coast from the US Gulf Coast.

    Reliance did not respond to a request for comment.

    Swiss trader Vitol SA and Chinese oil companies including PetroChina last month lifted four vessels carrying 6.83 million barrels combined to western India, according to Thomson Reuters trade flow data.

    June's 228,000 bpd of US exports to India are more than double the previous export record of 98,000 bpd last September, according to US Energy Information Administration data.

    The FPMC C Melody, a very large crude carrier (VLCC), is scheduled to arrive next month at Sikka, near Jamnagar. It is carrying 1.93 million barrels of US crude, Reuters tracking data shows.

    Another Vitol-chartered VLCC, the Maharah, sailed from Galveston last week and was headed to Sikka with 1.98 million barrels of oil.

    Two more VLCCs - the Ghinah and the Eagle Victoria - were scheduled to leave the Texas coast for undisclosed ports in India this month, bringing planned US oil exports to India to at least 191,000 bpd for the month.

    Vitol and PetroChina declined to comment. A trader familiar with the Chinese company's purchases confirmed PetroChina is supplying US crude to India.


    Some Indian refiners have finished testing runs of US oil this year, often by mixing it with heavier grades those plants typically process, analysts and traders said.

    "They really have started to make the shift," said Olivier Jakob, managing director of energy consultancy PetroMatrix. "India is comfortable with a regular flow from the US now."

    Reliance is blending lighter US oil with heavier crudes from other nations, said a trader familiar with plant operations and trade flows. Indian refiners began testing US crudes last year, and volumes have climbed as they became confident the blends would work.

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    Turks aren't cooperating

    Ankara Rules Out Compliance with US Sanctions on Iran | VOA | Jul 24 2018

    Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on Tuesday ruled out his country's compliance with U.S. sanctions on Iran, a move that threatens to exacerbate tensions between the NATO allies.

    "We have told them we will not join these sanctions," said Cavusoglu, referring to a meeting last Friday with senior U.S. officials in Ankara. "While we are explaining why we will not obey these sanctions, we have also expressed that we do not find these U.S. sanctions appropriate."

    Ankara strongly opposes U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to impose sanctions after pulling out of an international agreement with Iran on its nuclear energy program. Stringent sanctions are to start taking effect at the end of August, with measures against Iranian energy exports beginning in November.

    Energy-hungry Turkey is heavily dependent on its Iranian neighbor for oil and natural gas, while Turkish businesses are eyeing Iran as an increasingly important market.

    On Friday, Marshall Billingslea, assistant secretary of the Treasury for terrorist financing, visited Ankara to meet with Turkish officials and business representatives. Billingslea described the talks as "positive" and acknowledged the difficulties faced by Turkish companies, but warned, "The Treasury sanctions will be enforced very, very aggressively and very comprehensively."

    Washington says no to any waivers for countries trading with Iran, which puts it on a collision course with Ankara.

    "We've seen this in the past. Turkey will not comply with U.S. sanctions. It will not stop importing Iranian gas and oil," said Sinan Ulgen, head of the Istanbul-based Edam research institution. "Maybe the Turkish banks will be more careful because of what happened to Halkbank, but that's about it."

    Earlier this year, a New York court convicted a senior executive of the Turkish state-controlled Halkbank for violations of previous U.S. sanctions on Iran. Analysts suggest the conviction will result in Turkish banks being reluctant to offer services to Turkish companies operating in the Islamic Republic. The Halkbank conviction also provides Washington powerful leverage over Ankara.

    "The Halkbank case is still open. The Treasury still has to decide on what kind of fine to impose," said analyst Atilla Yesilada of GlobalSource Partners. "I hear it will receive some kind of fine, from $1 billion to $10 or 11 billion. I think what kind of opinion is formed about [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and whether he can be won back to the Western camp will affect the size of that fine."

    Analysts warn that hefty fines by U.S. authorities could also hit other Turkish banks implicated in the Halkbank case.

    Iran, Russia

    Turkey's deepening relations with both Iran and Russia have strained ties with its Western allies. On Monday, the U.S. Congress delayed the delivery of F-35 jets to Turkey because of Ankara's plans to purchase S-400 Russian missiles.

    Ankara maintains that it is committed to its strategic alliances with the West, claiming trade motivates ties with Tehran and Moscow along with the need to cooperate to resolve the Syrian civil war.

    Ilnur Cevik, a senior adviser to Erdogan, penned a column Monday, citing growing concerns over Iran. Cevik accused Tehran of a lack of gratitude over Ankara's stance in breaking previous U.S.-Iranian sanctions.

    "Turkish goodwill and friendship were not reciprocated by Tehran. As soon as the Iranians signed the nuclear deal with the West, they turned their backs on Ankara and started to hurt Turkish interests. Turkish companies were unable to win contracts in Iran," wrote Cevik in the Turkish Sabah newspaper.

    Cevik also warned of the threat posed by Tehran. "There is also Iran displaying Persian expansionist policies throughout the Middle East," Cevik wrote.

    Turkey and Iran historically are regional rivals. They back opposing sides in the Syrian war. Ankara is also privately voicing frustration over Tehran's lack of cooperation in fighting the Kurdish insurgent group, PKK.

    The PKK has been waging a decades-long battle for autonomy in Turkey and has its headquarters in neighboring Iraq, close to the Iranian border. A senior Turkish official, speaking anonymously, acknowledged that an ongoing military operation to seize the PKK headquarters is undermined by Tehran's refusal to seal its border to prevent the rebels from escaping.

    "Iran is definitely a regional competitor of Turkey, no doubt about that, whether it's PKK or in the case of many other points," said international relations professor Huseyin Bagci at Ankara's Middle East Technical University.

    Bagci suggests Ankara could be more flexible toward Washington over Iranian sanctions if Washington changes its approach.

    "America unconditionally expects from Turkey that Turkey follows the line on its sanctions. Turkey cannot do this. It is economic suicide. If Turkey would follow the America policy, America should contribute to the economic losses of Turkey," Bagci said.

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    Trickier for the businesses in the EU because the EU wants to bust american Iran sanctions

    EU struggles to counter US sanctions on Iran | FT | Jul 25 2018

    Businesses have tough decision of whether to obey European or American rules

    European efforts to protect businesses investing in Iran from US sanctions risk leaving executives with the tough choice of whether to obey EU or American rules.

    The EU is finalising its plans to mitigate the punitive measures as the Trump administration prepares to impose a new wave of sanctions next month and in November. The first batch will target trading in cars, gold and other metals; the second Iran’s oil exports and transactions with the central bank.

    The main weapon the EU has developed is an updated version of a “blocking statute” originally drawn up in the 1990s to counter US sanctions on Iran, Libya and Cuba. The law forbids European companies from complying with the US measures and allows them to recover damages arising from the sanctions “from the person causing them”.*

    But lawyers and diplomats said there are doubts over the effectiveness of a tool that has never been properly tested.

    “It’s a European policy that’s totally in contradiction to the American policy: that doesn’t happen very often,” said Jean De Ruyt, a senior adviser at Covington & Burling, the international law firm, and a former Belgian ambassador to the EU.

    The dilemma was created after Donald Trump in May withdrew the US from the 2015 nuclear agreement Iran signed with world powers, including the EU, the UK, France and Germany. The European signatories are desperate to save the deal, and believe it is critical that the republic is still able to reap an economic dividend from the accord.

    But Mr Trump has suggested his administration will offer few waivers to companies. The US president used his toughest language yet against the Islamic regime this week, warning Iran it would face severe “consequences” if it threatened America. Hassan Rouhani, Iran’s president, this weekend said that reimposing new sanctions would equate to a “declaration of war against” the nation.

    There are also trade tensions between the US and the EU over Mr Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on steel imports to America.

    Federica Mogherini, the EU’s foreign policy chief, acknowledged last week that the EU faced a “difficult exercise” in its response to the sanctions on Iran because of the “weight of the US in the global economy and financial system”.*

    “But we are determined to preserve this deal,” she said.*

    Brett Hillis, partner and sanctions expert at Reed Smith, the international law firm, said there was nothing in the EU plans that would stop a “run for the hills” by European businesses active in Iran.*He said the blocking statute was “a measure which indicates the EU’s displeasure but in no way goes far enough to move the calculus for European companies”.*

    Any punishment threatened in Europe for complying with the sanctions is likely to pale against the potential retribution in the US for ignoring them. In 2015, a US court ordered BNP Paribas, the French bank, to pay almost $9bn in fines and forfeitures over alleged violations of sanctions against Iran, Sudan and Cuba.

    European companies would also face the threat in the US of action against individual executives, exclusion from public procurement and other opportunities lost because of reputational damage.*

    To enforce the blocking statute, European authorities would also need to prove a company had violated it by withdrawing from Iran. Businesses could advance a range of defences, including that they were leaving the Islamic republic for commercial reasons.*

    European companies, including Peugeot parent PSA and French oil major Total, have already said they will halt their operations in Iran unless they secure a waiver.

    It emerged this month that the US has rebuffed a European request for a carve-out from the renewed sanctions of crucial industries, including finance, energy and healthcare.

    Roger Matthews, a senior lawyer at Dechert, said that if the EU was to give the blocking statute “enough teeth to have the effect they want, it’s just going to be a compliance nightmare with added legal expense”.*He added that European Commission guidelines expected soon should provide more clarity.

    Other EU proposals to insulate companies by offering them non-dollar denominated finance lines through institutions such as the European Investment Bank have run into troubles of their own.

    Werner Hoyer, EIB president, said last week that it would "risk the business model of the bank" if it played an “active role” in Iran.*

    European diplomats hope they can still make progress in other areas, such as providing bilateral financing lines to Tehran and measures to make payments for oil directly to Iran’s central bank. The US might also still soften its stance: Mike Pompeo, secretary of state, hinted this month that Washington may yet grant individual country requests for sanctions waivers.*

    But without such carve-outs, the impact of the EU countermeasures is likely to be largely symbolic and insufficient to persuade many big businesses to engage with Iran. “Any important European company will be afraid,” said Mr De Ruyt. “Because the US arm is long.”*

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    China is still bucking the sanctions

    U.S. Expects China to Buy Even More Iranian Oil After Sanctions | WSJ | Jul 17 2018

    Chinese buying of Iranian crude could blunt impact of U.S. sanctions and weigh on oil prices

    By Sarah McFarlane and Benoit Faucon
    July 17, 2018 9:17 a.m. ET
    There is one big hitch in U.S. plans to stem buying of Iranian oil: China.

    Some in Washington now expect that China will vacuum up much of the Iranian oil that other nations won’t buy because of the threat of U.S. sanctions, according to a senior U.S. government energy official.

    China buying extra Iranian oil could dull the economic impact of those sanctions. It could also bring Iran closer to China at a time of elevated tensions between Washington and Beijing over trade.

    In May, President Donald Trump pulled the U.S. out of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal and vowed to reimpose sanctions on Tehran.

    Oil prices jumped sharply higher in reaction and if China does take spare Iranian crude that could add to pressure currently pushing crude lower, traders say.

    In anticipation of sanctions, foreign oil companies are already exiting Iran and international banks have declined to finance oil trades. While the European Union doesn’t back renewed sanctions, countries including Greece and Turkey, are winding down their purchases.

    But China, already the largest buyer of Iranian oil, is gearing up to take more, said the senior official. Tehran is currently in negotiations with Chinese companies to ensure that, according to an Iranian oil official involved in those talks.

    “We don’t have any problem selling our oil” to China, the Iranian official said.

    The White House referred calls to the U.S. National Security Council, which didn’t respond to emails seeking comment.

    China’s Foreign Ministry and the country’s two biggest oil companies, China National Petroleum Corp. and China Petrochemical Corp., didn’t respond to requests for comment. In the past Beijing has decried the U.S.’s resort to unilateral “long-arm” sanctions in international dealings.

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    Having initially indicated the goal was to reduce Iranian exports to zero, the U.S. government has tempered its expectations.

    Last week, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the U.S. would consider Iran sanctions relief for a “handful” of countries. South Korea, India and a handful of other countries had a waiver to buy Iranian oil during the last round of sanctions.

    But Washington has also said that it will pursue Chinese companies with U.S. connections if they violate Iran sanctions.

    “It is our intent to enforce sanctions on Iran related oil against everybody including China,” U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told the House Financial Services Committee last week.

    To be sure, not everybody in the Trump administration believes China will increase Iranian imports, said a former U.S. official briefed by current members of the administration.

    Lower demand because of sanctions will make Iranian oil cheap at a time when two of China’s other traditional suppliers, Libya and Venezuela, are struggling. China’s rising needs could allow it to buy more oil from Iran without moving away from other suppliers, such as Saudi Arabia. The world’s No. 2 economy is expected to need an extra 500,000 barrels a day in 2018 and 400,000 barrels a day in 2019, according to the International Energy Agency’s latest monthly report.

    China has made clear it doesn’t support Mr. Trump’s resumption of sanctions. It supported the United Nations’ 2010 sanctions and reduced its imports of Iranian oil by over a quarter at points.

    To get around sanctions, China will likely facilitate purchases through a bank it has historically used for dealing with Iran during previous sanctions, a French official and the senior U.S. official said.

    Banks are wary of financing Iranian trade for fear of hurting their access to the dollar. But Bank of Kunlun Co Ltd, a unit of China National Petroleum Corp, has very limited exposure to the global financial system, so is well placed to continue dealing with Iran.

    The Central Bank of Iran has accounts at Kunlun into which Chinese buyers have paid the equivalent of billions of dollars for oil, people familiar with the matter said. That money is used by the Iranians to buy Chinese goods.

    Kunlun didn’t respond to requests for comment.

    China sees Iran as pivotal in its effort to extend economic influence through its one belt, one road initiative and is investing heavily in infrastructure such as railroads and roads in the country.

    China is already Iran’s biggest trading partner.

    After Mr. Trump announced plans to reinstate sanctions in May, Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif’s first visit was to Beijing.

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    Top Huawei executive arrested on U.S. request, clouding China trade truce

    VANCOUVER/BEIJING (Reuters) - The daughter of Huawei’s founder, a top executive at the Chinese technology giant, was arrested in Canada and faces extradition to the United States, roiling global stock markets as it threatened to inflame Sino-U.S. trade tensions afresh.

    The shock arrest of Meng Wanzhou, 46, who is Huawei Technologies Co Ltd’s chief financial officer, raises fresh doubts over a 90-day truce on trade struck between Presidents Donald Trump and Xi Jinping on Saturday - the day she was detained.

    Her arrest, revealed late on Wednesday by Canadian authorities, is related to U.S. sanctions, a person familiar with the matter said. Reuters was unable to determine the precise nature of the possible violations.

    Sources told Reuters in April that U.S. authorities have been investigating Huawei, the world’s largest telecoms equipment maker, since at least 2016 for allegedly shipping U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws.

    The arrest and any potential sanctions on the world’s second biggest smartphone maker could have major repercussions on the global technology supply chain.

    U.S. stock futures and Asian shares tumbled as news of the arrest heightened the sense a major collision was brewing between the world’s two largest economic powers, not just over tariffs but also over technological hegemony.

    Huawei is not listed, but China’s second-largest telecom equipment maker, ZTE Corp (0763.HK)(000063.SZ), sank nearly 6 percent in Hong Kong while most of the nearby national bourses lost at least 2 percent.

    MSCI’s benchmark for global stocks .MIWD00000PUS declined 0.61 percent, and U.S. markets were on track to open lower by 1 percent or more. Investors stampeded for the safety of government debt, pushing the yield on the U.S. 10-year Treasury note US10YT=RR back below 2.9 percent to its lowest level in three months.

    Huawei is already under intense scrutiny from U.S. and other western governments about its ties to the Chinese government, driven by concerns it could be used by the state for spying. It has been locked out of the United States and some other markets for telecom gear. Huawei has repeatedly insisted Beijing has no influence over it.

    Meng, one of the vice chairs on the company’s board and the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, was arrested on Dec. 1 at the request of U.S. authorities and a court hearing has been set for Friday, a Canadian Justice Department spokesman said. Trump and Xi had dined in Argentina on Dec. 1 at the G20 summit.

    Huawei, which generated $93 billion in revenue last year, confirmed the arrest in a statement. “The company has been provided very little information regarding the charges and is not aware of any wrongdoing by Ms. Meng,” it said.

    She was detained when she was transferring flights in Canada, it added.

    Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told a daily briefing on Thursday that China had asked Canada and the United States for an explanation of Meng’s arrest, but they have “not provided any clarification”.

    The Chinese consulate in Vancouver has been providing her assistance, he added, declining further comment. On Wednesday, China’s embassy in Canada said it resolutely opposed the arrest and called for her immediate release.

    In April, the sources told Reuters the U.S. Justice Department probe was being handled by the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn.

    The U.S. Justice Department on Wednesday declined to comment. A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn also declined to comment.

    Lu Xiang, an expert on China-U.S. relations at the state-backed Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said the arrest of Meng is “extremely shocking”.

    “If someone from the United States is hoping to use threats to an individual’s personal safety in order to add weight in the talks, then they have most certainly miscalculated,” he said.

    “I believe that China’s government will use maximum force to fight for freedom and justice for Meng Wanzhou.”

    Arthur Kroeber, founder of Gavekal Dragonomics, said it was unlikely that Beijing would retaliate against the local U.S. business community, whose interests have partly overlapped with China’s in the trade war and been a source of leverage for Beijing.

    “You can play hardball with a small country but you can’t do it with the U.S.,” he said. “Actually it hurts them to make life difficult” for U.S. companies.

    A user of China’s Twitter-like Weibo platform said Chinese should boycott products made by U.S. tech giant Apple Inc (AAPL.O) and instead buy Huawei products to show support for one of China’s national champions.

    However, the topic ranked only 31st among trending items on Weibo as of Thursday afternoon, with many discussion threads apparently blocked, which is not unusual on China’s heavily censored Internet.

    Jia Wenshan, a professor at Chapman University in California, said the arrest “runs a huge risk of derailing the U.S.-China trade talks”.

    While Meng’s arrest comes at a delicate time in U.S.-China relations, it was not clear if the timing was coincidental.

    The probe of Huawei is similar to one that threatened the survival of China’s ZTE Corp (0763.HK) (000063.SZ), which pleaded guilty in 2017 to violating U.S. laws that restrict the sale of American-made technology to Iran.

    Earlier this year, the United States banned American firms from selling parts and software to ZTE, which then paid $1 billion this summer as part of a deal to get the ban lifted.

    Huawei has said it complies with all applicable export control and sanctions laws and U.S. and other regulations.

    News of the arrest came the same day Britain’s BT Group (BT.L) said it was removing Huawei’s equipment from the core of its existing 3G and 4G mobile operations and would not use the Chinese company in central parts of the next network.


    In January 2013, Reuters reported that Hong Kong-based Skycom Tech Co Ltd, which attempted to sell embargoed Hewlett-Packard computer equipment to Iran’s largest mobile-phone operator, had much closer ties to Huawei than previously known.

    Meng, who also has used the English names Cathy and Sabrina, served on the board of Skycom between February 2008 and April 2009, according to Skycom records filed with Hong Kong’s Companies Registry.

    Several other past and present Skycom directors appear to have connections to Huawei.

    Meng’s arrest drew a quick reaction in Washington.

    U.S. Senator Ben Sasse praised the move and said that it was “for breaking U.S. sanctions against Iran.” He added: “Sometimes Chinese aggression is explicitly state-sponsored and sometimes it’s laundered through many of Beijing’s so-called ‘private’ sector entities.”
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    Exclusive: U.S. probe of China's Huawei includes bank fraud accusations: sources

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Chinese telecoms giant Huawei Technologies Co Ltd’s [HWT.UL] chief financial officer was arrested as part of a U.S. investigation into an alleged scheme to use the global banking system to evade U.S. sanctions against Iran, according to people familiar with the probe.

    The United States has been looking since at least 2016 into whether Huawei shipped U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws, Reuters reported in April.

    More recently, the probe has included whether the company used HSBC Holdings Plc to conduct illegal transactions involving Iran, the people said.

    Companies are barred from using the U.S. financial system to funnel goods and services to sanctioned entities. If the mobile phone and telecoms equipment maker conducted such transactions and then misled HSBC about their true nature, it could be guilty of bank fraud, experts say.

    Huawei declined to comment, but said in a statement after the arrest that it complies with all applicable export control and sanctions laws and other regulations.

    An HSBC spokesperson declined to comment. HSBC is not under investigation, according to a person familiar with the matter.

    A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, which Reuters has reported is the office investigating Huawei, also declined to comment.

    In 2012, HSBC paid $1.92 billion and entered a deferred prosecution agreement with the same U.S. prosecutor’s office for violating U.S. sanctions and money-laundering laws.

    As part of that deal, HSBC was required to be monitored for five years to review its efforts to prevent money laundering and sanctions violations.

    HSBC’s U.S.-listed shares fell as much as 6 percent on Thursday after Reuters reported the bank’s link to the Huawei case. They ended down 3.6 percent.

    Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou, daughter of Huawei’s founder, Ren Zhengfei, was arrested in Canada on Dec. 1. She will appear in court on Friday and faces extradition to the United States. The news broke on Wednesday, roiling global stock markets over fears the move could escalate the Sino-U.S. trade dispute.

    Huawei said it has been provided little information of the charges and that it was “not aware of any wrongdoing by Ms. Meng.”


    The probe of Huawei is similar to one that threatened the survival of China’s ZTE Corp, which pleaded guilty in 2017 to violating U.S. laws that restrict the sale of American-made technology to Iran. ZTE paid a $892 million penalty.

    Earlier this year, the United States said ZTE made false statements about disciplining some executives responsible for the violations and banned U.S. firms from selling parts and software to the company. After ceasing major operations as a result, ZTE paid another $1 billion as part of a deal to get the ban lifted.

    In an incident similar to Meng’s case, ZTE’s chief financial officer was stopped at Boston’s Logan Airport during the U.S. investigation of that company, according to sources familiar with the case. U.S. authorities seized a laptop that contained a “treasure trove” of evidence of ZTE’s illegal business in Iran, one of the sources said.

    In 2016, the Commerce Department made documents public that showed ZTE’s misconduct and also revealed how a second company, identified only as F7, had successfully evaded U.S. export controls.

    In a 2016 letter to the Commerce Department, 10 U.S. lawmakers said F7 was believed to be Huawei, citing media reports. In April 2017, lawmakers sent another letter to Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross asking for F7 to be publicly identified and fully investigated.

    U.S. authorities also subpoenaed Huawei in 2016 seeking information related to possible export and sanctions violations, sources have said.

    In January 2013, Reuters reported that Hong Kong-based Skycom Tech Co Ltd, which attempted to sell embargoed Hewlett-Packard computer equipment to Iran’s largest mobile-phone operator, had much closer ties to Huawei than previously known.

    Meng, who also has used the English names Cathy and Sabrina, served on the board of Skycom between February 2008 and April 2009, according to Skycom records. Several other past and present Skycom directors also appear to have connections to Huawei.
    Trump aide Bolton says he knew in advance about Huawei arrest: NPR reporter

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s national security adviser, John Bolton, said in an interview with National Public Radio that he knew in advance about the arrest of a top executive of the Chinese technology giant Huawei Technologies Co Ltd [HWT.UL], according to an NPR reporter on Thursday.

    Bolton said he did not know if the president was aware in advance of the arrest of Meng Wanzhou in Canada on Saturday, the day Trump struck a 90-day truce on trade in a meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Argentina, NPR reporter Steve Inskeep said in a tweet.

    “I knew in advance. That is something we get from the Justice Department,” the tweet quoted Bolton as saying.
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    The Chinese have detained a former Canadian diplomat Michael Korvig.

    "In China there are no coincidences ... If they want to send you a message they will send you a message."
    Canada frees CFO of China's Huawei on bail; Trump might intervene
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    Yeah yeah we will see about these so called consequences.

    Big props for Canada : )
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    So those consequences are China holds two Canadians. Both respond to the name Michael. Kovrig is a former diplomat. No reason given for being detained.

    Two detained for one and here's the kicker.

    China wants Canada to abrogate their extradition treaty with the US. What is the CCP smoking : D

    The end of the Trudeau government’s China delusion | Globe & Mail (editorial) | Dec 15 2018

    The case of Meng Wanzhou has torpedoed the Trudeau government’s China policy. At the same time, it has also sunk China’s Canada policy. Call it a win-win.

    It has been a strained couple of weeks in Canada-China relations. And the causes of the tension remain: Ms. Meng, the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies, one of China’s flagship companies, faces extradition from Canada to the United States. She is out on $10-million bail; the case will go on for months, possibly years.

    Meanwhile, Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor sit in Chinese jail cells, detained in a clear act of retaliation by the Chinese government. They face hard conditions, and possibly torture.

    The crisis has dispelled a lot of illusions on both sides of the Pacific. It’s never pleasant to discover the gap between one’s wishes and objective reality, but it is the beginning of the path to wisdom. The Trudeau government is being forced to wise up about the nature of the People’s Republic of China.

    Recognizing reality is not about rejecting trade with China. It’s not about shutting the border to tourists, students or immigrants. It’s not about treating China as the enemy, even if it is run by a one-party, totalitarian government. It’s about maintaining mutually beneficial relations with China – while recognizing what the People’s Republic is, and where Canada stands.

    By essentially kidnapping two Canadians, the hard men of Beijing have shown their true faces. They are now holding Mr. Kovrig and Mr. Spavor for ransom, the price demanded being Ottawa’s abrogation of a treaty with the United States and the federal cabinet’s interference with the court system.

    The fact that Beijing does not get how counterproductive its response has been is troubling. It does not require a deep understanding of the rule of law to realize that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet have no power to order a judge in British Columbia to immediately release someone. But it’s how things work in China, where there is no rule of law. If the government says you’re guilty, you’re guilty. Those who rule make the rules.

    It’s also shocking to realize that Beijing may be under the impression that it can threaten Canada into breaking with the United States – our neighbour, our main trading partner, our main ally and our fellow democracy and rule-of-law society. The Canadian-American relationship goes far beyond President Donald Trump. There is just no way Canada could violate a signed agreement with the United States, namely the extradition treaty, in order to appease China.

    If Beijing doesn’t get this, then the Trudeau government’s illusions about China pale in comparisons to the Communist Party of China’s delusions about where Canada stands, and what Canada stands for.

    Yes, the U.S. charges against Ms. Meng that sparked all of this are unusual, even unprecedented. They’re not the fight the West should be having with China over things like Chinese industrial espionage and unfair trading practices. It’s a terrible reason to restart a Cold War.

    But China and the rest of the developed world have always been in a kind of low-grade Cold War. It’s a Cold War with a high degree of détente; thankfully, far more détente, economic integration and interdependence than the Free World ever had with the Soviet Union. Trade-trade is always better than war-war.

    The goal should be to maintain and strengthen this relationship. But in doing so, we can’t close our eyes to what the People’s Republic of China is.

    It’s why Canada must not sign an extradition treaty with China, a police state. It’s why Canada cannot sign an investment treaty that removes controls on capital flows from a country where the line between government and business ranges from blurry to non-existent. It’s why Canada can’t ignore China’s industrial espionage and hacking, which threatens this country and our allies.

    And it’s why, though Canada should want our trade relationship with China to grow, that trade must be fair, so that China doesn’t take advantage of Canada’s rule of law while using its lack of the same to deprive our businesses of rights in China.

    Nobody likes to hear the truth: It’s upsetting and it can cause a loss of face. But the relationship between Canada and China needs to be renewed on more truth and honesty, and less wishful thinking.
    Who is Michael Spavor

    Who is Michael Kovrig

    Formerly detained Canadians talk about their experience in China

    The only question that remains is when does she get sent to the US ? going to take a while but odds look good

    A judge in the Eastern District of New York issued a warrant for Meng's arrest in August. The U.S. has 60 days — from the date of her arrest — to file an official request for extradition along with the supporting documents.

    Meng's next court appearance is Feb. 6.

    The United States will have to provide a record of the case explaining the alleged offence and describing the type of evidence that might be presented at trial.

    The case will then move to a committal hearing in B.C. Supreme Court.

    A judge will decide whether the evidence presented by the United States would be enough to hold a trial if Meng were charged with similar offences in Canada and if a jury would convict if they believed the evidence presented.

    If the judge decides to commit Meng for extradition, the Minister of Justice will then have to decide whether or not to order her surrendered. Meng will have the opportunity to make submissions at this point.

    If Meng were facing capital punishment, the minister of justice might seek an assurance she wouldn't get the death penalty. But violating sanctions isn't a capital crime.

    Finally, Meng can appeal her case to both the B.C. Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada.

    All of which means she may be sporting an electronic ankle monitoring bracelet for a long time.

    What are the chances Meng will be extradited?

    According to information obtained by CBC News in May, 90 per cent of people arrested for extradition in Canada during the past decade were surrendered to requesting countries. Legal experts said those are very high numbers.

    Political observers have suggested Meng's fate may ultimately be sealed through negotiations between the leaders of China and the United States.

    China has demanded Meng's release and U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested he might intervene if doing so would bolster U.S. economic interests.

    So what now?

    Meng will work from Vancouver and live under guard on electronic monitoring. Her husband, a venture capitalist, will also work from Vancouver, and their daughter will join them.

    She told her lawyer she may apply to do her PhD at the University of British Columbia's Sauder School of Business.
    Too bad her detained Canadian counterparts won't be extended the same courtesy
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    Third Canadian detained in China: Report

    How many more political kidnappings, before this issue ends.
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    If the US does not submit the extradition request within 60 days of her arrest she goes free. I wonder if that is a possibility if a deal comes through as Trump was hinting. This could Be China's best bet. Send enough carrots instead of sticks and make a deal. Intervention by Trump is possible in this two month window but not after it gets into the courts as she is likely to fight extradition.

    That is why Feb 6 is the next court appearance. It will be 60 days after her arrest and we will know at that point whether the story ends or continues.

    Canada can end Huawei case, but will it? | GT (edit) | Dec 12 2018

    Source:Global Times Published: 2018/12/12 16:23:40
    Canada has freed Meng Wanzhou on bail, which is a positive development, but the Huawei executive deserves to be given back her complete freedom by the courts, bringing closure to the fraught legal saga.

    The US, which had requested her arrest, is yet to submit the demand for Meng's extradition. If it fails to do so within 60 days of Meng's arrest, she will be set free. The ball now is in Washington's court. However, Canada is capable of ending the crisis by itself, granting a Chinese citizen her legitimate rights which concerns China's judicial sovereignty.

    The judge said in the bail hearing that Meng has no criminal record in China and elsewhere.

    This precludes the US-Canada extradition agreement from holding back Meng as an accused and is reason enough to reject Washington's pursuit of her. Canada should go by the spirit of jurisprudence and ethics.

    Canada has independent sovereignty and Meng is a citizen of China. The arrest or release of Meng in Canada should depend not only on whether she broke Canadian law but also on the country's obligations to China, which should hold precedence over Ottawa's obligation to a third country. As an independent and sovereign country that is not a vassal state, Canada should follow this line of action.

    The global business community has been alarmed by the executive's arrest in Canada. This has created uncertainty over international travel among corporate executives. Unconditionally freeing Meng will allay such apprehensions. Canada knows that the US violates the spirit of international law by using domestic regulations to extend its jurisdiction.

    Canada should distance itself from US hegemonism and fulfill its obligations to help maintain international order and protect human rights. As a country having diplomatic ties with China, Canada should not violate China's sovereignty by placing the "long-arm jurisdiction" of a third country above Beijing's basic rights.

    Canada is waiting for US orders before it can extradite Meng. It is ridiculous for Canada to disregard its basic obligations to the international community. Is Canada the 51st state of the US?

    If Canada eventually fails to protect the safety of Chinese citizens within its territory - the country's basic duty - and ignores ties with China, insisting on the extradition of Meng to the US, it is bound to pay for it. We believe that Ottawa has foreseen this and so has the world.

    Western media including Reuters on Tuesday cited a statement of the International Crisis Group, saying the group's senior adviser Michael Kovrig, who was also a former Canadian diplomat, has been detained in China. Chinese authorities have responded to the report and many people took it as China's retaliation.

    There is no evidence to establish a connection between the two incidents. The assumption is because Canada has gone too far and people naturally believe China will retaliate.

    The two cases are different: Meng is a businesswoman detained in Canada, where she violated no laws; however, Kovrig is arrested in China because of what he did here. China and Canada will negotiate for the next stage. We hope Canada will eventually take decisions that go with the reputation of an independent and civilized country.

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    CCP sees Canada along with Australia & NZ as softer targets in the five eyes network. Plan is obvious, dissuade them from siding with the US.

    Canada crossed the line by helping the US detain an executive of Huawei and China needs to clearly express that it doesn't accept it. If Canada were to ultimately extradite Meng Wanzhou to the US, it would certainly be at the cost of a backslide in China-Canada ties.

    In addition, it would be a test for China's national will and wisdom to decide when to accommodate certain countries for decisions made while being caught between China and the US, and when to resolutely counter their damage to China's interests.
    All hinges on whether she gets extradited. If we assume the US will send the extradition request there is still recourse to appeals which will drag this out for years. Which also means these so called grave consequences for Canada will take just as long to show up : )

    Australia was the first to follow Washington in blocking Huawei devices. As Wu Xinbo, a scholar of Fudan University, pointed out in an interview with the Global Times, "If China firmly fought back on Australia's decisions, other countries might think twice before considering calling off Huawei's products."

    China certainly will not overact, because such a move will isolate China and construct the outcome the US prefers. Beijing needs to meticulously select counter-targets to really make them learn a lesson.

    In this complicated game, China should focus on the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, especially Australia, New Zealand and Canada, who actively follow the US against China. The first two nations are far from the European continent and have a subtle distance with most Western countries. China is the largest trading partner of both Australia and New Zealand and the second largest of Canada, thus the country has enough means to counter them.
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    Good advice

    China's hostage-taking challenges Australia too | AFR (op-ed) | Jan 02 2019

    If Australia fails to show full solidarity with Canada at this time, it will not be a matter of innocently minding our own business. Instead, it will have a negative effect on our own values and interests.

    That is because it will help China normalise nothing less than hostage taking as an instrument of diplomacy.

    Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor have now spent weeks in custody, facing vague accusations of harming Chinese state security.
    it is surprising the Australian government waited before adding its voice to the international chorus opposing China's action.

    Foreign Minister Marise Payne's recent statement expressed concern at the arrests and affirmed support for Canada's system of justice and adherence to the rule of law.

    But Australia needs to go further and join Canada, the EU, Germany, France, Britain and the United States in calling for the immediate release of the two wrongfully detained Canadians.
    Good to know the Canadians haven't been left out to dry on this one.

    Presumably, there remains the lingering worry about economic retaliation from China, our largest trading partner.

    But this misses the point that Australia has gradually established a new normal with China, in which we have proven willing and able to stand our ground against coercion, and in which we recognise that China policy should be dictated neither by fear nor greed.

    It is also a mistake to assume that the current strife is simply a side-effect of the so-called "trade war" – or, more accurately, technology competition – between the United States and China, as if Australia can simply opt out.

    What is actually at stake are the rights, interests and values of smaller democracies like Australia, and the rule of law that underpins our economies, security and way of life.

    Amid danger and disruption among the big powers, this is a vital time for self-respecting middle players to form their own united front.

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    The term debt trap diplomacy has been going on for a few years but now we have something new called death threat diplomacy

    Beijing digs in: Canada's complaints are met with 'death-threat diplomacy' from China | CBC | Jan 18 2019

    Clarke said Beijing's actions against the three Canadians, underlined by Schellenberg's sentence, reinforce the message that "China views the holding of human hostages as an acceptable way to conduct diplomacy."

    Clarke followed the Schellenberg case closely and found many aspects out of the Chinese norm, from the speed of the retrial to the high-profile way it was covered by foreign and Chinese media, to the way a 15-year jail sentence suddenly turned into the threat of execution at the retrial. He says fewer than two per cent of appeals in criminal cases in China are sent to a retrial.

    China's aim seems clear: to pressure Canada into releasing Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, who was arrested while changing planes in Vancouver last month on an extradition request from Washington. Legal action against Canadians in China ramped up soon after. Beijing insists she has been "unjustifiably detained," according to official statements.
    Good way to shoot oneself in the foot. Way to to go CCP. Longer this drags out worse the CCP will look to the world. Their threats aren't going to be acquiesced to.
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    Here's the funny part. The Americans still haven't filed that extradition request and have to do so by months end

    U.S. faces deadline to extradite Huawei exec from Canada | CBC | Jan 19 2019

    On Friday, a spokesperson for Canada's Justice Department said the U.S. had yet to file the required paperwork in the Meng case and stated the Americans have until Jan. 30 to do so. If the U.S. misses the deadline, lawyers with expertise in extradition cases say the door could open for Meng's eventual release.

    "The formal request for extradition [including the supporting documents] has not yet been made by the United States," Ian McLeod, a spokesperson for Canada's Justice Department, wrote in an email Thursday.

    "They have until Jan. 30, 2019 to submit this request. Canada then has a further 30 days to determine whether to issue an authority to proceed."

    The U.S. Department of Justice declined to say very much about the Meng case except that it's not affected by the partial shutdown of the federal government there.

    "We have no comment other to say that the current operating situation has no impact on our filing preparations," the department's public-affairs office said.

    Lawyer Donald Bayne, who represented Ottawa professor Hassan Diab as he fought extradition on French terrorism charges for years, said it's not particularly unusual that U.S. authorities had yet to submit the formal request for Meng so late in the 60-day period.

    He thinks they'll make the deadline.

    "The Americans... having caused all of this so far — would never be able to say with a straight face, 'Yeah, we've decided not to go ahead' or 'Gosh, there was nothing to our case,' " said Bayne, who's based in Ottawa.

    Bayne said he doesn't think Meng's case would end even if the Americans missed their deadline — but comments by Trump might do it.

    He noted how last month the U.S. president raised questions about the basis of the extradition request by musing in an interview with Reuters about interfering in Meng's case if it would help him strike a trade deal with China.

    On the U.S.-China trade front, the deadline in the Meng case will coincide with high-level negotiations between Washington and Beijing, said the Chinese Ministry of Commerce.

    China's Vice-Premier Liu He, the country's economic point person, is scheduled to travel to meet with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer in Washington on Jan. 30 and 31 for a round of talks.
    They will meet as their two countries are locked in a tariff conflict that's rattled the global economy.
    And i'm wondering whether that is contingent on some deal getting worked out at the last moment. The CCP certainly seems to be playing it like that extradition request will be filed.

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    Finally US sent the extradition request

    U.S. sends Meng Wanzhou extradition request to Canada — but there are several steps left | Global news. ca | Jan 29 2019

    Canada and the U.S. face several more steps before Meng can be extradited.

    With the request made official, lawyers with Canada’s Department of Justice must determine, within 30 days, whether an “Authority to Proceed” will be issued.

    Once that’s issued, then an extradition hearing takes place to look at whether the person who’s been arrested should be extradited.

    At that hearing, a judge will determine whether the evidence supporting the allegations that have led to the extradition request would have been “sufficient to commit the person for trial in Canada if the conduct had occurred in this country.”

    Should the judge be satisfied, then the person will be committed for extradition, pending a decision by Canada’s justice minister.

    The person is released if the judge isn’t satisfied.

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