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    2018 Toronto Van Murders

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toronto...-live-updates/

    Alek's action and crime, is a form of alloplastic defense. Alloplastic defense is a primitive defense mechanism, that seeks to project inner turmoil on to outside world in order to curb inner frustrations. In other words, it is a impulse or a drive to change the outside world to fit inner narrative. As such it carries one big flaw and that flaw is that by changing the outside world in order to cater to inner turmoil, the turmoil is unchanged and unaffected.
    In Alek's case, his inner frustrations were projected on to society, in the form of mass murder, in order instigate change in him. The minute the word chad was mentioned, it was clear that in his mind, he saw himself as an ultimate looser, a "nice guy" destined to never "get it", so by committing a mass murder in a terror attack fashion, his aim was to transform himself from a nice guy into a thug-chad bad boy that women crave.

    Truly tragic event that sheds a light onto a much bigger problem that no one wants to discuss about and that problem directly leads to post modernity and with it, to all the problems we are facing today.

    My condolences to the victims.
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    I have no intetion to justify his actions, but I think that I can understand the motifs and psychology behind it.
    As he described himself as incel which is a derivative term from TFL (true forced loneliness), his mental state and the grudges he has, are very well known among MGTOW community. Sadly, these events and reactions are also well known, however they are not presented to the public, because in most cases, men whom were unable to sustain the pain of the "red pill", commit suicide on their own. It is only when a mass event like this happens, this grim subject surfaces and gets hijacked by leftist media. No doubt that this case will be perverted as well. The problem he has affects vast population of men and that problem is deeply tied to the cultural promises, based on tradition and teachings, that are no longer applicable in the real life. In that chasm, that void between idealist perception of the reality and the actual reality, many men simply "get lost" and end up like this.
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    Eliot Roger's projective identification, one of the most distinguished traits of malignant narcissism vs modern day hypergamy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8syYRKjb6o
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    It's an interesting topic, horrible attack aside and I hope the bastard never sees a day outside a cell again.

    Back in the day these guys parents would have found them a dumpy simple village girl to marry and they would have had dumpy simple children and that's that. Different world today, they struggle to compete in a sexually liberal marketplace and carry much anger at the world for their situation. They hate feminism for giving women the choice in sexual partner, they hate the economic system that allows women be financially independent of men and they hate liberal sexual values because rather than 'more sex for everyone' its become 'the top 25% get more women than they can poke a stick at, the middle 50% remain for the most part unchanged and the bottom 25% die virgins or go to hookers'.

    Even in everyday life I have a friend of mine who stopped counting when he hit his 300th sexual partner, I probably hit 3 digits before realising I was getting old and ugly so found a long term partner, on the other extreme I have social acquaintances who are in their late thirties and still virgins, you cant come back from that, no self respecting woman would give a 38 year old virgin a chance so I can imagine the internalised rage these guys would have at the world. Neither extreme is healthy but I'm yet to see someone going on a rampage because he's had too much booty.

    It's easy to laugh at these people but this problem has been brewing for a long time and it's only now that we are seeing actions like this that the rest of us normies are just beginning to notice. I don't believe in any form of social engineering but at the same token this subject needs to be looked at by mental health professionals and something needs to be done about this invisible and ever growing group of men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chakos View Post
    It's an interesting topic, horrible attack aside and I hope the bastard never sees a day outside a cell again.

    Back in the day these guys parents would have found them a dumpy simple village girl to marry and they would have had dumpy simple children and that's that. Different world today, they struggle to compete in a sexually liberal marketplace and carry much anger at the world for their situation. They hate feminism for giving women the choice in sexual partner, they hate the economic system that allows women be financially independent of men and they hate liberal sexual values because rather than 'more sex for everyone' its become 'the top 25% get more women than they can poke a stick at, the middle 50% remain for the most part unchanged and the bottom 25% die virgins or go to hookers'.

    Even in everyday life I have a friend of mine who stopped counting when he hit his 300th sexual partner, I probably hit 3 digits before realising I was getting old and ugly so found a long term partner, on the other extreme I have social acquaintances who are in their late thirties and still virgins, you cant come back from that, no self respecting woman would give a 38 year old virgin a chance so I can imagine the internalised rage these guys would have at the world. Neither extreme is healthy but I'm yet to see someone going on a rampage because he's had too much booty.

    It's easy to laugh at these people but this problem has been brewing for a long time and it's only now that we are seeing actions like this that the rest of us normies are just beginning to notice. I don't believe in any form of social engineering but at the same token this subject needs to be looked at by mental health professionals and something needs to be done about this invisible and ever growing group of men.
    Yea, the Pareto distribution is the main equation that drives woman sexual preference. Here, the ratio went from 20% to 5% and many men turned to drugs and alcohol or other forms of self destructive behavior, because they cannot cope with the reality of the situation. They were raised with a dream that they live in a setting where it is almost "promised" to them they will get a wife and a family somewhere in life, only to quite early, realize that its not going to happen. Our "trial by fire" was during the 90es where we got chad and Stacy in the form of stereotypical gangsta thug and his Barbie doll. We called them sponsor and sponsor girl, which is another name for sugar daddy and gold digger. Out of that marriage formed in the 90es we got full blown prostitution so nowadays STD's are rampant among young population. It is virtually impossible to form a relationship in Serbia that is not based on material possession,status or pure animalistic sexual drive, where thugs rule supreme.

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    It will not be looked correctly, because it would undermine the very foundation of communist agenda and the leftist view of things. Imagine that someone says loudly on TV, the truth, he would be labeled as women hater for saying that women prefer violent thugs and hate stable balanced men and that they will always look ways to marry up. That their ideal man has a brain of an Einstein, money like Trump, body of Dwayne Johnson, tools and stamina like a porn star, attitude like Jason Statham, is in the same time a Navy Seal, F-22 pilot and the astronaut and that they won't accept anything lesser than that. Than in reality they don't get married, if they do they again, always look to marry up, they don't have babies because "there are no good men around" and the whole system crashes. Besides, they are the main reason why migrant crisis accrued.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdyy0BArH74

    This is the reason why he did it. But its not politically correct to say it.
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    In general, cluster B personality disorders are the main generators of this pathology.

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    The dynamics that create Eliot's and Alek's is a grim one.
    On one side, we have an injection of unhealthy dosses of false optimism, mostly created by media and movie industry. In that idealized world, going to college is portrayed as mixture of constant partying, full of hot babes nymphomaniacs whom will sleep with anyone and everyone. These idealized stereotypes are continuation of the early indoctrination, also idealized in the animated movies in which life is portrayed as idealized narrative, where there is a clear distinction between good and evil and good always prevail. In those cases, there is a clear cut between what is good and virtues and what is wrong and evil. These idealized narratives stick like a glue to the personalities that are already "damaged" and belong, in most cases, to the cluster B personality disorder. Shame and blame, conditional love, abuse, both overt and covert, create disassociation within oneself and that personality no longer is capable to see the world and its actions in that world in coherent way, let alone in a objective way. Everything becomes personalized and judged on that premises, with "me" in the center. First victim is the empathy, that does not develop and lack of empathy leads to tendency to exploit other human beings and relationships. There is no reciprocity, no sharing only taking. The worst disorder in the B cluster, is the narcissistic personality disorder and, being a spectrum, it shows its ugly head in all other cluster B disorders. In order to protect itself, mind creates a defensive barrier, it creates a sort of a "false self", that is unbeatable, perfect, idealized and that false self is the protector of the true self. If not treated in time, the true self dies and only false self remains. However, no matter how perfect it is, the false self is false and cannot exist without input or the energy from the outside. People whom have this disorder, than became predators, that feed on, other people feedback and reactions. In order to get those reactions, which are in essence attention, these personalities will do anything, god or bad, to get noticed. Without empathy, these people feel no obligations towards society and driven by their own goals, will stop at nothing in satisfying their needs. Even kill for it.
    So its a combination of internal turmoil, enhanced by media.

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    No doubt that this tragedy will be seen by the leftist media as a proof that there is no difference between event when a Muslim drives a van trough a crowd in the name of Allah and when a Western men do the same in the name of his personality disorder. From the point of cultural Marxism these two events are the same. The fact that first case is a case of war, committed in the name of ideology, has a clear political goal and the other is a result of a mental illness will be overlooked. It will be used to equalize the narrative that the white men are women haters as much as sharia law lovers and that in the end, women are the victims and need more empowerment. This narrative is precisely what communists wanted and this is the setting they wanted to create.
    The MGTOW sees this differently. It sees trough communist BS and their false narrative.

    By destroying the nuclear family, role of a father has been demolished. Trough justice system, family courts, men are stripped of their rights and virtually trashed to the point of oblivion. Marriage has become a dangerous proposition because today, women doesn't need a man to provide for her and the children, she has govt with its social programs and judicial protection, she is virtually married to the state for provision. So she has no incentive to find a stable man that will be her provider. Without that incentive, she is left with pure biological urge and her primary biological directive is to mate with the most dominant and therefore violent men in order to secure most potent genes. That signals men, that in order to acquire a booty, they have to reduce themselves to the tribal level, to become primates and that destroys capability for cooperation and cooperative work. It directly leads to anti social aka criminal behavior and that destroys society. Without capability to cooperate, complex systems that are built to sustain modern civilization will crumble and modern civilization will end. By eliminating men that are agreeable and cooperative and by promoting thugs, women will destroy advanced society and return the setting to a tribal level. Than, that advanced society will be taken over by the most aggressive group there is. Islam will win, simply because it is the natural habitat for women. It is, despite all that is said, a pure brutal matriarchy.

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    No doubt that this tragedy will be seen by the leftist media as a proof that there is no difference between event when a Muslim drives a van trough a crowd in the name of Allah and when a Western men do the same in the name of his personality disorder. From the point of cultural Marxism these two events are the same. The fact that first case is a case of war, committed in the name of ideology, has a clear political goal and the other is a result of a mental illness will be overlooked. It will be used to equalize the narrative that the white men are women haters as much as sharia law lovers and that in the end, women are the victims and need more empowerment. This narrative is precisely what communists wanted and this is the setting they wanted to create.
    The MGTOW sees this differently. It sees trough communist BS and their false narrative.

    By destroying the nuclear family, role of a father has been demolished. Trough justice system, family courts, men are stripped of their rights and virtually trashed to the point of oblivion. Marriage has become a dangerous proposition because today, women doesn't need a man to provide for her and the children, she has govt with its social programs and judicial protection, she is virtually married to the state for provision. So she has no incentive to find a stable man that will be her provider. Without that incentive, she is left with pure biological urge and her primary biological directive is to mate with the most dominant and therefore violent men in order to secure most potent genes. That signals men, that in order to acquire a booty, they have to reduce themselves to the tribal level, to become primates and that destroys capability for cooperation and cooperative work. It directly leads to anti social aka criminal behavior and that destroys society. Without capability to cooperate, complex systems that are built to sustain modern civilization will crumble and modern civilization will end. By eliminating men that are agreeable and cooperative and by promoting thugs, women will destroy advanced society and return the setting to a tribal level. Than, that advanced society will be taken over by the most aggressive group there is. Islam will win, simply because it is the natural habitat for women. It is, despite all that is said, a pure brutal matriarchy.

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    Of course, it didn't took long
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOfPbk1gxsA

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    I'm a bachelor, and while I don't hate women, I don't interact with unmarried women of marriageable age either, at least in non-professional settings. I don't offer to buy them drinks, ask them to dance, approach them, ask for their number, and they don't owe me anything.

    Not a problem. Simple solution. Meet single/divorced women in their 40s/early 50s.

    They make you leave in the morning, and both of you are happy.

    You both got what you want, and you don't have to worry about either of you catching feelings, at least ones that could lead anywhere. You also don't have to worry about fathering a child out of wedlock.

    Any games that get played pretty much end the moment you walk out the door, and don't begin again until you walk back in, a week, a month, six months later, if you ever even end up going back at all. Maybe she didn't like you, or you her. Not a big deal.

    It's a tried and true system that has worked throughout human history, and more young, frustrated men need to be doing it. So what. If you're awkward around women, she might even find that cute and endearing. And the economic aspect is divorced from the other aspects. Keeps things simple and uncomplicated.

    Seems this guy had, at the very least, an entitlement complex. Nobody is entitled or deserves to be loved, or have a partner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chakos View Post
    It's an interesting topic, horrible attack aside and I hope the bastard never sees a day outside a cell again.

    Back in the day these guys parents would have found them a dumpy simple village girl to marry and they would have had dumpy simple children and that's that. Different world today, they struggle to compete in a sexually liberal marketplace and carry much anger at the world for their situation. They hate feminism for giving women the choice in sexual partner, they hate the economic system that allows women be financially independent of men and they hate liberal sexual values because rather than 'more sex for everyone' its become 'the top 25% get more women than they can poke a stick at, the middle 50% remain for the most part unchanged and the bottom 25% die virgins or go to hookers'.

    Even in everyday life I have a friend of mine who stopped counting when he hit his 300th sexual partner, I probably hit 3 digits before realising I was getting old and ugly so found a long term partner, on the other extreme I have social acquaintances who are in their late thirties and still virgins, you cant come back from that, no self respecting woman would give a 38 year old virgin a chance so I can imagine the internalised rage these guys would have at the world. Neither extreme is healthy but I'm yet to see someone going on a rampage because he's had too much booty.

    It's easy to laugh at these people but this problem has been brewing for a long time and it's only now that we are seeing actions like this that the rest of us normies are just beginning to notice. I don't believe in any form of social engineering but at the same token this subject needs to be looked at by mental health professionals and something needs to be done about this invisible and ever growing group of men.
    The guy was only 25. Ain't that kinda young to conclude he ain't gonna get any ?

    He's mental, slightest thing sets these people off and then are on the evening news

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    Yea, the Pareto distribution is the main equation that drives woman sexual preference. Here, the ratio went from 20% to 5% and many men turned to drugs and alcohol or other forms of self destructive behavior, because they cannot cope with the reality of the situation. They were raised with a dream that they live in a setting where it is almost "promised" to them they will get a wife and a family somewhere in life, only to quite early, realize that its not going to happen. Our "trial by fire" was during the 90es where we got chad and Stacy in the form of stereotypical gangsta thug and his Barbie doll. We called them sponsor and sponsor girl, which is another name for sugar daddy and gold digger. Out of that marriage formed in the 90es we got full blown prostitution so nowadays STD's are rampant among young population. It is virtually impossible to form a relationship in Serbia that is not based on material possession,status or pure animalistic sexual drive, where thugs rule supreme.
    Do Serbians prefer male children to females. Do they try to kill female girls or abort them. If not then you have a healthy sex ratio.

    Yeah women want guys with material possession, status or some sex animal, how many find it ? what happens to them, do they decide they want to stay alone also.

    nah, they will find a pair of pants some how any how.

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    Islam will win, simply because it is the natural habitat for women. It is, despite all that is said, a pure brutal matriarchy.
    Eh ?

    the taking of many wives is because wars would kill the men and the women would be wasted which isn't good for any society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Versus View Post
    No doubt that this tragedy will be seen by the leftist media as a proof that there is no difference between event when a Muslim drives a van trough a crowd in the name of Allah and when a Western men do the same in the name of his personality disorder. From the point of cultural Marxism these two events are the same. The fact that first case is a case of war, committed in the name of ideology, has a clear political goal and the other is a result of a mental illness will be overlooked.
    Both are a case of mental illness, surely. Only the pretext differs and quite frankly is irrelevant though politics demands it be highlighted over all else only for views though.


    By destroying the nuclear family, role of a father has been demolished. Trough justice system, family courts, men are stripped of their rights and virtually trashed to the point of oblivion. Marriage has become a dangerous proposition because today, women doesn't need a man to provide for her and the children, she has govt with its social programs and judicial protection, she is virtually married to the state for provision. So she has no incentive to find a stable man that will be her provider. Without that incentive, she is left with pure biological urge and her primary biological directive is to mate with the most dominant and therefore violent men in order to secure most potent genes. That signals men, that in order to acquire a booty, they have to reduce themselves to the tribal level, to become primates and that destroys capability for cooperation and cooperative work. It directly leads to anti social aka criminal behavior and that destroys society. Without capability to cooperate, complex systems that are built to sustain modern civilization will crumble and modern civilization will end. By eliminating men that are agreeable and cooperative and by promoting thugs, women will destroy advanced society and return the setting to a tribal level. Than, that advanced society will be taken over by the most aggressive group there is. Islam will win, simply because it is the natural habitat for women. It is, despite all that is said, a pure brutal matriarchy.
    Where has the nuclear family been destroyed. it seems you hold modern norms responsible for this. Empowering women means they become providers in addition to. Managed well you double incomes. Better off then if the only bread winner gets taken out for whatever reason. With the working classes this is even more important

    There are broken homes which happens for any reason.

    Man, you have some interesting ideas and i got one gem from you in your serbian thread that helped me understand things better in my country

    But here you are anti-everything

    The women you describe here are welfare moms, a bit unfair to describe every woman in society like that isn't it. besides i thought it was only the immigrants who like to live off welfare not the hard working natives : P

    Welfare moms don't go to college, live in the country and don't have much prospects. Sure they want some one well off and with status. Only so many guys like that.
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    Divorce rate is 48% in Canada(2008), 46% in the US(2014) and 15% in Mexico(2009)

    Same continent, same religion but very different cultures(catholicism > protestantism ?). IMO, the caucasian male is going through the same trend that african-american females went through the 70-80s.
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    During the 90'es, my cousin whom worked as a psychologist at the juvenile correction facility and me became very close and he hooked me on to psychology, especially to the criminal psychology and behavioral science. In addition, my late uncle was a lawyer so I had insight in the judicial system and cases he handled. These two events, brought me closer to the pathology of human mind and anti social behavior, so maybe that is the reason why my writings look negative. I don't see them like that, simply because human pathology is a negative subject by its very nature and no amount of sugar coating can't make it look better. Add to that the civil war and its pathology, Milosevic's regime and you will get a full spectrum of human pathology from the individual psychosis to collective one. Although negative, this knowledge shielded me from nationalism and regime propaganda and it kept sanity during deployment time. It might look dark but it is what it is.
    In regard to women, I don't hate them at all, quite contrary, I like them a lot. However, as men, they too have the dark side, impulses and drives. Problem is the narrative that presents them in a overall positive way and that narrative is widely socially accepted and that narrative is universally based on a image of a mother. It comes in all shape and sizes, from a virgin Mary, Shiva, mother Teresa, Gaya etc etc. It also has a negative connotation in the form of Medusa, Lilith, witches etc etc. As Jordan Peterson says, woman is nature and as nature it creates life but also judges, very harshly, thus the dualism in her nature. On one side of the coin you have the life and on the other, death. That is the place where conflict accrues with the socially accepted narrative and the biological nature of a women.
    If the leftist propaganda created an image of a modern women as a self sufficient nympho, that leads to false idea in the minds of young men, that they are entitled to easy booty. Ironduke is right about that. So the harsh reality of a young man whom internalized that view is that he has expectations that are unrealistic and are crushed by the reality once he comes to the situation to full fill them. Both cases of Eliot Rogers and Alek Minassian are actually suicides because they lost all reasons to live simply because that false narrative collapsed. Its not about women at all, its about their whole personality, it died in a metaphysical way once they were rejected by women and their actions later on, are continuation of that dying process. Their rage comes from that exposure, because on one side they have that idealized safe narrative and in that narrative they feel confident and safe ( I will go to college and I will get laid, which means that I am an ok person, deserving of love,passion and compassion, that I will be accepted by the society) only to find out that they are not safe when rejected. So you have two levels of "destruction", first one is the realization that they are not safe, which triggers fear out of which aggression comes and than the second level of destruction, where they project that realization on to outside world in a sentence "the society lied to me" and that marks society as a target of their rage. Those people feel betrayed, suckered, wounded and vulnerable in that moment. They feel sentenced to death by being rejected by women in the first instance, but on a larger scope, rejected by society. The impulse that drives them to go on a murdering spree is triggered, because they want to conquer the environment to serve their needs aka to make them safe and since they see that women are driven to thugs and violent men, they chose violence as method to restore that safety, because in a violent society violent men are safe and violent men get all the booty. Their mind is a nightmare in that moment, its a scene of cosmic destruction in which their glorious imaginary world crumbles in a fiery explosions, they are shocked, terrified to see those beautiful constructs being destroyed by their desire (women) and they hate them for that. It is an inner civil war and the apocalypse in the same time. Total chaos.

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