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  • The anger that incel have towards women and the resentments that make them misogynistic are flawed because they are based of false presumptions. Those false premises revolve around validation and love. They seek validation from a women trough sex, in other words, if she wants to have sex with me I am worthy. That is total BS, it doesn't mean that you are worthy, it means that she, at that particular time, is horny and wants sex, it has nothing to do with you or Chad for that matter. The reason why they go for Chads is because Chads are always ready and provide good service and ensure fulfillment of their needs and desires, not with Chad's or incel's needs and desires. So there is no point in hating Chads or Stacies or yourself for that matter. Getting laid doesn't validate your being. It sure feels like it and it is socially defined and accepted, by in a essence it is a complete BS. It would be the same as if she asked you to hand her a napkin so she could blow her nose or hand her some form etc. and somehow you are worthy for doing that and even worse, define your value based up on your ability to fulfill hers or other people needs. Helping is fine and altruistic, but it shouldn't define how you feel. You define yourself from the inside, not by others from outside.

    If we could do an autopsy on woman's love, we would see that it is nothing comparable to men's love. Women don't love men, they are incapable of love towards men and shouldn't be blamed for it. Blaming women for its insensitivity and/or lack of understanding/love would be the same if she would be blamed for not having wings or scales. Its pointless and delusional. The anatomy of woman's love is a mixture of blind lust, feelings of admiration,hate and fear. Actually, it is a mixture of lust and fear. Lust is pretty much self explanatory, it is an bio chemical reaction designed by nature that caters to the breeding. Fear on the other hand, is the source from which woman derives sense of admiration and respect, because her fear of man. That is why violent thugs aka alpha males and other high T types, drive them nuts. Because of their ability to subdue their surroundings with their aggression and strength. She is aware that she too can be a victim of that malevolent force, that scares her but also excites her, because controlling that force makes her feel powerful. She gets off on power and control that man has, not because of the actual man. For her, man is just a carrier, a container of the power that she craves. She hates the man for that reason, because he has something that she does not. So the minute the man loses his power, her fear is gone and the hatred settles in.

    Hating and blaming women is the most unproductive waste of energy and its totally useless and pointless.
    Last edited by Versus; 30 Apr 18,, 16:30.

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    • You should go visit a prostitute.

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      • Originally posted by snapper View Post
        You should go visit a prostitute.
        I agree that he should. Or at the very least, a chatty massage therapist.
        Last edited by Ironduke; 30 Apr 18,, 17:05.
        "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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        • Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
          And the part about going back to being like a "monkey, swinging from the trees, eating fruit, and having fun" could be something as simple as she really hates you smoking, and you're smoking a cigar while she's out of town. Or that you're playing video games in the basement when you're supposed to be working on some chore. Or you stopped and had a couple beers while running errands, when you said you'd be home right away.

          It doesn't mean a guy is engaged in bad behavior, and is going around doing something wrong.



          I really just view displays of material wealth and conspicuous consumption as a male peacock strutting around showing off his feathers. Sure, a peacock feather looks nice and is real pretty, but the quill might be filled with an ink that can write beautiful poetry, or just simply be completely empty inside.

          And when a man marries a woman for her looks, and the woman marries him for the money, it's no surprise that he's having affairs with porn stars, and she fantasizes about the pool boy. (I'm talking about Tiger Woods, of course)
          Except that money is really an aphrodisiac and guys like to fall in love with beautiful girls. "Girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money" doesn't mean that all women are the bimbo trying to bilk Hugh Heffner, it means that women's sexual and emotional responses don't even consciously activate except in the presence of a certain degree of wealth.

          It also doesn't mean guys will only bang super-models, but it also means guys will only seriously commit to girls above a certain attractiveness level.

          No one does anyone any favors by spinning a bunch of bullshit stories. Humans are freakin' evolved monkeys, we respond to these traits, and there is a reason we respond to these traits. It's also true that we can settle for less and still be happy, otherwise we would all be supermodels. We're not, so clearly ugly people found SOME way to reproduce, which means ugly people can settle and be happy, too. My wife's not a model and I'm not rich.

          The problem emerges when you raise kids on a diet of bullshit expectations and bullshit narratives. In particular most of them are never going to buy the whole "go ugly" shtick, because they've been raised to see that as utterly boorish behavior. They aren't going to see prostitutes because "sex workers" are exploited women that suffer at the hands of the patriarchy blah blah blah. And they have no stones after being brow-beaten all their lives. Then they all get together and stew in their own misery and naturally the freaks in there are going to radicalize.

          As for people cheating, yeah, it's no surprise people cheat. Humans are not designed to be faithful, especially for a life-time. If we were, then cheating wouldn't be a sin for the same reason flying into the sun isn't a sun: it'd be impossible.

          However, this applies to ALL people, because ALL people make shitty decisions and are susceptible to sin, and there are few, few, few people that are not superficial and materialistic. I seriously do not understand how any American cannot understand this, because we are buried in a consumerist, beauty-obsessed society literally every single day. Being a bit superficial and materialistic does not mean you cannot also be a good person.
          "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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          • Originally posted by snapper View Post
            Well a fine test is that is what you value. Does he listen to me? Does he care? Is he polite and gentle? Is he funny? Those things matter to a Lady if she is considering a relationship.
            To put it more abstractly, its a test of character.

            Applies both ways. Why couldn't a country lass do the same to a guy as well.

            Glastonbury is great when the sun is out. When its raining you trudge through a lot of mud. Try that for a few days

            How well did it go because life is like that

            Blame games are lame, its not solely his or her fault

            Both are responsible

            A joke a friend of mine liked to play on Londoners. He absolutely hated the city, get depressed if he didn't get back to the country every few months.

            In the Tube and when some one comes and sits next to you, look at them, smile and say

            Hello. How are you today ?

            That's it, most times people freaked out and changed seats

            But that's what you say if you pass some one on a country path anywhere

            I've been to the Tor. if you're into ley lines and such you could say it has a presence like that area in general and attracts a different sort of people. A pagan religious site
            Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Apr 18,, 17:53.

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            • Please do not get me wrong; your 'Glastonbury Festival test' is a good one if you are looking for a Lady who shares your liking of festivals. It is not my 'cup of tea' is all and therefore he and I would be unsuited perhaps. I have done Solstice on the Tor, love the Abbey, found some interesting books in the bookshops but as a festival or a town inhabited by old hippies and neo pagans and born again Christians and all the driftwood that seem to think Glastonbury is some special place - no thanks. I will take Wells Cathedral, Bishops Palace and normal people every day. Camping, getting dirty, is not the issue - my husband and I went camping in winter here in Ukraine to get some time alone. It was lovely if a little cold when you woke up and climbed out of the tent. It's just crowds of people and weirdos and loud music everywhere that is not for me. Give me a tent and some friends and I am happy without the crowds or loud music.

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              • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                You should go visit a prostitute.
                The power of V doesn't affect me anymore.

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                • Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
                  Except that money is really an aphrodisiac and guys like to fall in love with beautiful girls. "Girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money" doesn't mean that all women are the bimbo trying to bilk Hugh Heffneur, it means that women's sexual and emotional responses don't even consciously activate except in the presence of a certain degree of wealth.
                  I keep my possessions as minimal as possible - I prize mobility, flexibility, and the ability to rapidly "re-deploy" to anywhere I need to be, or want to go, on a few days notice. Even if I'm currently sitting around doing a whole bunch of nothing - I want to be able to pick up and leave at any given moment, whether it's due to boredom or I'm just sick of things.

                  I live in weekly rentals, use storage units, and my address is a PO Box. Material possessions are deadweight. So is a girlfriend. The older woman/massage therapist strategy perfectly suits my lifestyle.

                  I don't want a marriageable woman, nor can I attract one with my lifestyle, which is a win-win.

                  it means that women's sexual and emotional responses don't even consciously activate except in the presence of a certain degree of wealth.
                  Re-quoting this to make a point about something.

                  You've talked about cars, money, and wealth and responses to them, but you forgot about power.

                  Some forgo wealth in favor of power. Certain careers with five-digit or low six-digit salaries, can earn one higher status, and give individuals the ability to wield more power than even the wealthiest of people.

                  It's of course dependent on the worldview and beliefs on an individual, but everything you've said about wealth can equally apply to, and is interchangeable, with power.

                  Power can be exercised in combination with wealth, and it can also be exercised without wealth. There are many people in this world who have virtually no wealth, but are still very powerful persons.
                  Last edited by Ironduke; 01 May 18,, 12:23.
                  "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                  • Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                    I keep my possessions as minimal as possible - I prize mobility, flexibility, and the ability to rapidly "re-deploy" to anywhere I need to be or want to go on a few days notice. I live in weekly rentals, use storage units, and my address is a PO Box.

                    Material possessions are deadweight to me. So is a girlfriend. The older woman/massage therapist strategy perfectly suits my lifestyle.

                    I don't want a marriageable woman, nor can I attract one with my lifestyle.



                    You too huh?

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                    • Originally posted by Pedicabby View Post
                      You too huh?
                      ...context?
                      "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                      • Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                        ...context?


                        I am much the same.

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                        • Originally posted by Pedicabby View Post
                          I am much the same.
                          There's nothing wrong with living a simple, uncomplicated life.

                          One only gets one life to live, and there's no sense in letting the world drag one down, if you can't cope with or simply don't want to deal with its problems.

                          Life is like a restaurant menu. It seems, from my point of view, that most people think they have to order everything, or most everything, from the menu.

                          One can just order the things one wants, and if one cannot afford, doesn't want to spend the money, or can't stomach the taste of or properly digest the rest of the items on the menu, simple solution: don't order them, and be contented with the select few items one ordered.

                          And if somebody else has a problem with you only ordering those select few items, it's time to go your own separate ways, and cast them out of your life.
                          Last edited by Ironduke; 01 May 18,, 12:55.
                          "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                          • I am trying to recreate the logic that turns incel into a mass murderer or any other type of felon.
                            From analyzing videos and posts made by incels, the clear pattern emerge in their behavior and it is divided into layers. The first layer is the victim mentality. It is based upon realization that they are rejected by the society because of their physical or mental deficiencies. The logic is, that they couldn't chose their parents and therefore their DNA structure out of which their physical and mental deficiencies come from. In the first case, the case of Eliot Rogers, that is clearly seen. He blames his heritage, being born out of mix marriage between Asian and European parents. So the first victims are Asians. Than, he blames women for rejecting him for being a mixed race, so his second victims were females. On top of his hatred towards himself, there is a false self "the supreme gentlemen" that is a narcissistic construct in his mind that judges him constantly and forces him to do actions like these. The "inner sadistic judge" sits at the head of the tribunal of every narcissist and he brings verdicts and punishment to the true self for not living up to idealistic goals set by the false self. Since shame and blame are the two primary forces in the cluster B disorder, these "inner sadistic judges" are also present in all disorders in that spectrum.

                            In front of every incel, there is vision of the future, that is so grim and dark, it is a void filled up with eternal sorrow and pain. It breeds fear, out of which depression or anger come out. They feel sentenced for life, to a life without intimacy and sex. Their guilt and crime is being born with traits that they couldn't chose and therefore they see themselves as sentenced for the crime that they didn't commit. First, the pathological envy sets in, that creates resentment and resentment creates hate. So they rebel. If they are already doing the time, they might just as well do the crime, that is the correlation and logic that sets in in their minds. Therefore, the sense of hopelessness breeds power which enables them do commit the crime.

                            What is characteristic for groups like these is that technology plays an important role in their life, especially video games and social media. In the world of video games, they are all omnipotent super heroes that slay beasts and dragons, they are successful and than they go on social media, all hyped up to seek validation from females and get rejected. However, the transition is seamless, because interactions are done in the virtual world. So jumping from a video game avatars to app/social app avatars is "the same". However, when rejection comes, it shatters the entire narrative of their "success" and trauma accrues. Multiple traumas lead to the formation of resentments that in the long run, lead to this explosive mixture that can result in crimes.
                            Last edited by Versus; 01 May 18,, 13:55.

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                            • I think you think too much, and you're buying too heavily, and spinning pseudo-scientific theories. Psychology and sociology are pseudo-sciences to begin with. In my opinion, what you've been posting is pseudo-pseudo-pseudo-science.

                              If you're living the lifestyle you prefer, be contented with what you have. If Serbian women are "psychotic" in your view and wholly unsuitable for marriage, find alternative and ethical means for female companionship, and stop worrying about it. My two cents. If the "V", as you put it, has no power of you, why are you even thinking about it? If that statement were true, you wouldn't be dwelling on it or discussing it.

                              No offense, but you're obviously too old to be a paramour to older women. Go on vacation somewhere and find a way to relax. My advice.
                              Last edited by Ironduke; 01 May 18,, 13:40.
                              "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                              • It is a sad state of affairs, especially in the realm of interpersonal relationships between men and women. Tragedies like this, influence the society at large and anything that can prevent them, I see as an worthy effort. On one hand there are huge groups of frustrated men that don't know how to cope with their internal struggle and on the other hand, there is a society that pretty much doesn't care for their suffering until things like this happen. One thing is certain, the security and law enforcement agencies now will be in great trouble, because profiling the would be suspects will be near impossible. I mean, everyone without a girlfriend is now suspect or person of interest, for them.

                                As for me, I am not frustrated and I've accepted the state of affairs and the nature of humans. I am content and happy.

                                The thing basically comes down to the conflict between previous socially accepted narrative, that says that everyone will find someone, regardless if its man or a woman. That there is a promise that somewhere in the future you will find your mate. That is no longer the case and I am afraid that looking away from the problem will only make things worse.

                                In some pseudo logical sense these events are horrifying transformation attempts.

                                Something like this.
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFO5Np4ySLI
                                Last edited by Versus; 01 May 18,, 14:50.

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