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    Sounds like you were stuck in a never ending high school drama
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    I'm not sure whose posts you're referring to exactly - but a few of us have simply pointed that there are far better alternatives to nursing an obsessive hatred of women and becoming the Toronto Van Murderer.

    The kid was sexually frustrated, a celibate, and self-radicalized himself into a murderous ideology. I don't see what's wrong with pointing out that if you're really that hard up for female companionship, there are ways you can get it where nobody gets hurt, and the both of you part happily, with both having got what they want.

    Some may disagree with that on moral and ethical grounds, but isn't that better than murdering a bunch of women?
    My post was a JOKE.

    I ain't religious and don't give 2 hoots about those who care. Organized religions are massive fraud IMV. People who want to go to a temple/church/mosque can go and do what they deem fit as their religious duty. I don't care. I would rather eat meat, or booze, or bang my head against the wall in my free time. My free time is mine, I don't spend it on some random dude I haven't seen. The concept of heaven and hell as propagated by religious leaders is a farce. All of us, will each, pay for our deeds, good or bad, in this life itself, before we're done.

    I am single, 40 and my choices are more or less what you have already mentioned. There was a time when I had someone fixed in all the places I have worked. Go, meet them, eat out, have a good time, screw, come back. Not prostitutes, but single/divorced/widowed women. Keep it clean. The more I see the population on the streets, the more I get disgusted at the right to have a family. People can't feed, but have a family of 10. Most of them grow to become criminals. And trust me, I tried at one point to get married and all, it didn't work out.

    Ethics, morals, professionalism are for the middle-class. The 1% rich and the 10% of the poorest don't give a shit.

    In general, Versus' post are a treat to read, and most of what he describes are what comes from his experience. Take it or leave it. No need to get offended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    How applicable is what happened in Toronto in the Indian context ?

    key question i'm interested in. I see many familiar patterns.

    Its one thing to talk about frustrations which is a good thing because bottling it up is bad and another very different matter to act out on them as happened

    What that Vox article made clear is talking about them in the wrong company does the exact opposite. Rather than being a form of group therapy its can serve to make people act out in harmful ways. The positive feedback loop ends up radicalising people.

    We have a shitload more yoofs than they do. Demographic dividend and all. All got phones. All love their whatsapp groups.

    There is no 8:1 bloody sex ratio in India more like 1:8

    Now what ?

    Some crap happens in the west, we say decadent west, a few years later it happens here, we go oh crap!
    Acid attacks, spurned loved knifing his lover in the middle of the road in Bangalore, Chennai.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    Or it was always going on in the East, and people make-believed and pretended it wasn't going on, until things got more relaxed and it came out into the open.
    Correct.

    No one talks about how massive we have become. At 1.3 billion. We f*ck. And we f*ck a lot. Under the blanket. And we don't talk about it because it isn't in our morals. What the heck does morals have to do with sexual behavior. Hell, Kamasutra was written in the 2nd Century BC. Atleast the west is open, acknowledge the issues and moves on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Not media, it was a comment by some one who ran a dating site. The women have it harder. A woman that isn't attractive will find it harder than a guy. A woman has to be somewhat attractive less for a guy. He just needs to be able to provide.

    Am still standing by what i said earlier, never envy someone with an attractive partner, you don't know what they put up with
    Less attractive women are low hanging fruits. If your goal is recreation, and not procreation, then go for it. And the more attractive the lady, the more tantrums in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Less attractive women are low hanging fruits. If your goal is recreation, and not procreation, then go for it.
    You sound like an old Marine Corps friend of mine. All about recreation.

    His motto: "Go ugly, early" Don't spend till closing time trying (along with 20 other guys) to bag the hottest chick in the bar. Stake your claim to a less attractive one early and have some fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    You sound like an old Marine Corps friend of mine. All about recreation.

    His motto: "Go ugly, early" Don't spend till closing time trying (along with 20 other guys) to bag the hottest chick in the bar. Stake your claim to a less attractive one early and have some fun
    Also sounds like my college roommate in my second year. We go to parties, he'd get blitzed, I drank only a little, and in the morning I'd ask him do you really see who you left with???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    The first part "I think thats just an excuse for not growing up/bad behavior. "

    was directed towards your statement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke
    We pretend to be mature and grown-up when the situation demands it - but it's all an act. When nobody is looking, we're children/teenagers again, like monkeys swinging from the trees, eating fruit, and having fun.
    And the part about going back to being like a "monkey, swinging from the trees, eating fruit, and having fun" could be something as simple as she really hates you smoking, and you're smoking a cigar while she's out of town. Or that you're playing video games in the basement when you're supposed to be working on some chore. Or you stopped and had a couple beers while running errands, when you said you'd be home right away.

    It doesn't mean a guy is engaged in bad behavior, and is going around doing something wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape
    Oh and when I ran into the girls that were shallow/materialistic I found ways to get them to notice me. Those girls are not the keepers but they are good for a fun night.
    I really just view displays of material wealth and conspicuous consumption as a male peacock strutting around showing off his feathers. Sure, a peacock feather looks nice and is real pretty, but the quill might be filled with an ink that can write beautiful poetry, or just simply be completely empty inside.

    And when a man marries a woman for her looks, and the woman marries him for the money, it's no surprise that he's having affairs with porn stars, and she fantasizes about the pool boy. (I'm talking about Tiger Woods, of course)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    No one talks about how massive we have become. At 1.3 billion. We f*ck. And we f*ck a lot. Under the blanket. And we don't talk about it because it isn't in our morals. What the heck does morals have to do with sexual behavior. Hell, Kamasutra was written in the 2nd Century BC. Atleast the west is open, acknowledge the issues and moves on.
    These are my opinions and beliefs, and mine alone.

    The Inquisition, and related institutions in other churches, tried for hundreds of years to ruin the party.

    Christian Europe was a land with many more holidays than are celebrated today, festivals and feasts every couple of weeks or so, everybody drank nothing but small beer and watered down wine, all day, every day, peasant teens getting busy in the haylofts until their parents found out and made them get married, inns and taverns with busty wenches serving you food and drink and maybe a little extra something else if you tipped them well enough.

    Nowadays in the US, the inquisitors typically work as law enforcement agents, for other government agencies, or act as meddlesome, busybody, intrusive "do-gooders". This is especially true after the whole business of torturing and killing "heretics" was outlawed in the Constitution, as well as by several other constitutions and bodies of law around the world.

    No disrespect intended toward law enforcement agents on the forum - I'm not talking about you specifically, and you certainly have got a job to do and you're a necessary institution, but that being said, some among your ranks take things too seriously, and have a tendency to go too far.

    The meddlesome, busybody, intrusive "do-gooders" should mind their own business, and look to their own sins before casting stones, as their sins are far worse and greater in number than those of the non-meddlers. Quite often, great evil is committed under the guise of doing good, in the name of religion, or simply by "helping" someone with their "problems".

    I think it's worth noting - virtually every evil-doer in history genuinely thought they were the good guy.

    The best and only course of action when confronted with these sorts of people, in my opinion, is to turn your back to them, not associate with them, and not be their friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    You sound like an old Marine Corps friend of mine. All about recreation.

    His motto: "Go ugly, early" Don't spend till closing time trying (along with 20 other guys) to bag the hottest chick in the bar. Stake your claim to a less attractive one early and have some fun
    Everyone is looking for recreation but your mate has wisdom. How old do people have to be to realise this. The majority wouldn't dare and this makes me think of something tangentially related

    Guess where you find the hottest women.

    Its not in the straight joints. Its in the gay ones when they have straight nights. Your regular frat, lager lout chav wouldn't want to be caught dead in a place like that : D

    They don't get hit on as much


    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Also sounds like my college roommate in my second year. We go to parties, he'd get blitzed, I drank only a little, and in the morning I'd ask him do you really see who you left with???
    I'd get this in college a lot, at some point i pushed back and asked whether it was them doing the choosing or me. There is this funny code that he or she or he has to be approved by the peers. So i broke the code for fun once and nothing happened but the side effect was the field opened up. Then throw in as many ethnic groups as you can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Everyone is looking for recreation but your mate has Wisdom. The majority wouldn't dare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    You sound like an old Marine Corps friend of mine. All about recreation.

    His motto: "Go ugly, early" Don't spend till closing time trying (along with 20 other guys) to bag the hottest chick in the bar. Stake your claim to a less attractive one early and have some fun
    A formerly enlisted girl, who once served on an aircraft carrier, that I'd met once upon a time, once told me: "it's all the same in the dark".

    Sage words of wisdom.

    Her particular comments at that time were because she was black, I was white, and I abruptly asked her, after an hour had gone by, why she only likes white guys.

    Nothing to do with handsomeness/ugliness. But the same principle applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    My post was a JOKE.

    I ain't religious and don't give 2 hoots about those who care. Organized religions are massive fraud IMV. People who want to go to a temple/church/mosque can go and do what they deem fit as their religious duty. I don't care. I would rather eat meat, or booze, or bang my head against the wall in my free time. My free time is mine, I don't spend it on some random dude I haven't seen. The concept of heaven and hell as propagated by religious leaders is a farce. All of us, will each, pay for our deeds, good or bad, in this life itself, before we're done.

    I am single, 40 and my choices are more or less what you have already mentioned. There was a time when I had someone fixed in all the places I have worked. Go, meet them, eat out, have a good time, screw, come back. Not prostitutes, but single/divorced/widowed women. Keep it clean. The more I see the population on the streets, the more I get disgusted at the right to have a family. People can't feed, but have a family of 10. Most of them grow to become criminals. And trust me, I tried at one point to get married and all, it didn't work out.

    Ethics, morals, professionalism are for the middle-class. The 1% rich and the 10% of the poorest don't give a shit.

    In general, Versus' post are a treat to read, and most of what he describes are what comes from his experience. Take it or leave it. No need to get offended.
    what was it that upset you about this thread ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Acid attacks, spurned loved knifing his lover in the middle of the road in Bangalore, Chennai.
    What shocked me was reading some of the posts in that Vox article and someone was advocating to do just that. I've always wondered why they didn't have these in the west and i think at some point they made acid harder to find and created alternative toilet cleaners.

    To find any references to acid attacks in the west i once found one in some serial dating back to the 60s. It happened a long time ago
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    Women,dating,marriage vs aerodynamic research and development. Pros and cons

    Women,dating,marriage:

    Pros:

    1.Sex, up to an hour of sticky friction.

    Cons:

    1.You spend way more money, catering to her needs.
    2.You have less time for your goals
    3.You are in constant risk of abandonment, due to her hypergamy (women always looking for bigger better deal)
    4.You get emotionally attached and drained.
    5.You are exposed to potentially harmful and life threatening situations as she tests you all the time in order to see will you full fill caveman prerogatives regarding mate-guarding. Also you are in risk of contracting life threatening STD like AIDS or chronic one like hep C.
    6.You are exposing yourself to a frontal lobotomy drilling all the time, without anesthesia (nagging) that is aimed to keep you constantly on the edge by demeaning you, and in constant state of extreme neuroplasticity, which basically means that your brain gets so plastic that she can mold it in any shape she sees fit.
    7.As she "falls out of love" (which is a sure thing, due to solapsistic nature of their psyche and brain wiring) you are in a risk of being financially drained, losing all your savings, property,etc, basically everything that you've worked for, gets taken away from you by a person that didn't invest a single minute of effort in reaching and acquiring those goals, just because she has a V between her legs.
    8.Women don't love men. They love how man makes them feel and what he can do for her. They love the utility and the resources they can get form a man, in terms of physical protection, sexual pleasure, financial security etc. The minute you stop providing for these services and utility, you will be discarded like you never existed. If you get, God forbid, ill or disabled, don't expect any help from her, she will ditch you like an used rug.
    9.If you have kids, family courts will take them from you in like 95% of the cases, with child support and alimony hefty bill attached to it. So not only that you have lost your savings, property, you lost your kids and now you have to pay till you die for something that you don't have and never will have.
    10. Your risk of suicide is 10 times higher after the divorce that her is. Divorce causes CPTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder), which if not treated properly can push you into the self destructive behaviors and make your life a living hell.
    11. Even if you had one night stand, due to laws, she can decide in the morning that she shouldn't have sex with you and accuse you of rape, upon which you will get arrested, thrown in jail and lose any prospects of meaningful employment. EVER. Plus in jail, you will be raped by convicts.

    Aerodynamic research and development.

    Pros

    1. You are on a bleeding edge of human technological progress.
    2. Your work contributes to your nation and to humanity. It outlives you forever.
    3. It pays extremely well
    4. If you solve the problem, you get recognition by the professionals and by the world. Your deeds benefit everyone, its a win win deal
    5. Its exciting and fun and the joy of successfully solving a problem last for a lifetime.
    6. Although complex, problems follow logical rules of physics, mathematics, chemistry etc. They are predictable and logical, which eliminates frustration and stress in the long run.
    7. After successfully solving the problem, you get to keep all cash and prizes and do what ever you want with them. No strings attached.
    8. If you can't solve the problem now, you can learn new approaches in a year, two, ten and than solve it.
    9. You can work on the problems at any time and spend as much time as you want.

    Cons

    1. Due to complexity you will miss building social skills and therefore chances of sticky friction. However, later on you will have enough cash to burn on it, if you really want it that bad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGelJhg4B9Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by Versus View Post
    Women,dating,marriage vs aerodynamic research and development. Pros and cons

    Women,dating,marriage:

    Pros:

    1.Sex, up to an hour of sticky friction.

    Cons:

    1.You spend way more money, catering to her needs.
    2.You have less time for your goals
    3.You are in constant risk of abandonment, due to her hypergamy (always looking for bigger better deal)
    4.You get emotionally attached and drained.
    5.You are exposed to potentially harmful and life threatening situations as she tests you all the time in order to see will you full fill caveman prerogatives regarding mate-guarding. Also you are in risk of contracting life threatening STD like AIDS or chronic one like hep C.
    6.You are exposing to frontal lobotomy drilling all the time, without anesthesia (nagging) that is aimed to keep you constantly on the edge by demeaning you, and in constant state of neuroplasticity, which basically means that your brain gets so plastic that she can mold it in any shape she sees fit.
    7.As she "falls out of love" (which is a sure thing, due to solapsistic nature of their psyche and brain wiring) you are in a risk of being financially drained, losing all your savings, property,etc, basically everything that you've worked for, gets taken away from you by a person that didn't invest a single minute of effort in reaching and acquiring those goals, just because she has a V between her legs.
    8.Women don't love men. They love how man makes them feel and what he can do for her. They love the utility and the resources they can get form a man, in terms of physical protection, sexual pleasure, financial security etc.
    9.If you have kids, family courts will take them from you in like 95% of the cases, with child support and alimony hefty bill attached to it. So not only that you have lost your savings, property, you lost your kids and now you have to pay till you die for something that you don't have and never will have.
    10. Your risk of suicide is 10 times higher after the divorce that her is. Divorce causes CPTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder), which if not treated properly can push you into the self destructive behaviors and make your life a living hell.
    11. Even if you had one night stand, due to laws, she can decide in the morning that she shouldn't have sex with you and accuse you of rape, upon which you will get arrested, thrown in jail and lose any prospects of meaningful employment. EVER. Plus in jail, you will be raped by convicts.

    Aerodynamic research and development.

    Pros

    1. You are on a bleeding edge of human technological progress.
    2. Your work contributes to your nation and to humanity. It outlives you forever.
    3. It pays extremely well
    4. If you solve the problem, you get recognition by the professionals and by the world. Your deeds benefit everyone, its a win win deal
    5. Its exciting and fun and the joy of successfully solving a problem last for a lifetime.
    6. Although complex, problems follow logical rules of physics, mathematics, chemistry etc. They are predictable and logical, which eliminates frustration and stress in the long run.
    7. After successfully solving the problem, you get to keep all cash and prizes and do what ever you want with them. No strings attached.

    Cons

    1. Due to complexity you will miss building social skills and therefore chances of sticky friction. However, later on you will have enough cash to burn on it, if you really want it that bad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGelJhg4B9Q
    If your Dad believed all this where would you be : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    If your Dad believed all this where would you be : )
    You can always deposit sperm in a bank. It doesn't cost a dime.

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    1.You spend way more money, catering to her needs.
    Would you be happy if she earned more than you? No you would regard yourself as a 'failure' or something and resent it.

    2.You have less time for your goals
    As does she. Particularly once you have small people which need their Mater first.

    3.You are in constant risk of abandonment, due to her hypergamy (always looking for bigger better deal)
    Men have more partners than Ladies so who should worry?

    4.You get emotionally attached and drained.
    Ladies don't?

    5.You are exposed to potentially harmful and life threatening situations as she tests you all the time in order to see will you full fill caveman prerogatives regarding mate-guarding. Also you are in risk of contracting life threatening STD like AIDS or chronic one like hep C.
    All people have tests - male or female;
    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Glasters isn't for everybody but one key test was if she could handle all of it without whinging too loud then she was a keeper : D
    Well a fine test is that is what you value. Does he listen to me? Does he care? Is he polite and gentle? Is he funny? Those things matter to a Lady if she is considering a relationship.

    6.You are exposing to frontal lobotomy drilling all the time, without anesthesia (nagging) that is aimed to keep you constantly on the edge by demeaning you, and in constant state of neuroplasticity, which basically means that your brain gets so plastic that she can mold it in any shape she sees fit.

    If you need reminding or advising it is your partners duty to remind/advise you - and vice versa.

    7.As she "falls out of love" (which is a sure thing, due to solapsistic nature of their psyche and brain wiring) you are in a risk of being financially drained, losing all your savings, property,etc, basically everything that you've worked for, gets taken away from you by a person that didn't invest a single minute of effort in reaching and acquiring those goals, just because she has a V between her legs.

    Well first it is 'solopsism'* and is a theory that I am the only person who exists. If you are a solopsist you have married and fallen out love with yourself. There is no 'brain wiring'; learning new things creates new connections. Those who do cross word puzzles or otherwise keep their brain active are less prone to Alzheimer's disease because the 'wiring' get's used.

    8.Women don't love men. They love how man makes them feel and what he can do for her. They love the utility and the resources they can get form a man, in terms of physical protection, sexual pleasure, financial security etc.

    What total BS. Only men are capable of feeling love? Are you serious? Ladies are only 'dependents'? Seriously I am not a feminist to any real extent - never been on a 'march' or meeting or anything about "wimmins issues" but that is offensive to me and my gender.

    9.If you have kids, family courts will take them from you in like 95% of the cases, with child support and alimony hefty bill attached to it. So not only that you have lost your savings, property, you lost your kids and now you have to pay till you die for something that you don't have and never will have.

    Making your marriage work is a two way street. You don't give emotionally and you will not receive. Same with small people.

    10. Your risk of suicide is 10 times higher after the divorce that her is. Divorce causes CPTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder), which if not treated properly can push you into the self destructive behaviors and make your life a living hell.

    BS. But again both partners walk into marriage freely (normally) and it is upto both to make it work. If my husband ever strays stupidly I would doubtless be upset but could forgive as long as I and our child come first.

    11. Even if you had one night stand, due to laws, she can decide in the morning that she shouldn't have sex with you and accuse you of rape, upon which you will get arrested, thrown in jail and lose any prospects of meaningful employment. EVER. Plus in jail, you will be raped by convicts.

    Conversely rape is a crime - no means no. Respect her wishes and she will respect yours. Do not be a monkey. Be a human.

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