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    China's mass surveillance state

    Qian Xue Shen and the central place of systems engineering in China's modern mass surveillance state:

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/...e-its-citizens

    A revered rocket scientist set in motion China’s mass surveillance of its citizens

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    In the West, systems engineering's heyday has long passed. But in China, the discipline is deeply integrated into national planning. The city of Wuhan is preparing to host in August the International Conference on Control Science and Systems Engineering, which focuses on topics such as autonomous transportation and the "control analysis of social and human systems." Systems engineers have had a hand in projects as diverse as hydropower dam construction and China's social credit system, a vast effort aimed at using big data to track citizens' behavior. Systems theory "doesn't just solve natural sciences problems, social science problems, and engineering technology problems," explains Xue Huifeng, director of the China Aerospace Laboratory of Social System Engineering (CALSSE) and president of the China Academy of Aerospace Systems Science and Engineering in Beijing. "It also solves governance problems."

    The field has resonated with Chinese President Xi Jinping, who in 2013 said that "comprehensively deepening reform is a complex systems engineering problem." So important is the discipline to the Chinese Communist Party that cadres in its Central Party School in Beijing are required to study it. By applying systems engineering to challenges such as maintaining social stability, the Chinese government aims to "not just understand reality or predict reality, but to control reality," says Rogier Creemers, a scholar of Chinese law at the Leiden University Institute for Area Studies in the Netherlands.

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    WSJ report on mass surveillance in Xinjiang



    Elon Musk and other's have been talking about the dangers of AI. I'm now starting to believe them. The threat is not that AI will rise up and take over humanity. Rather, AI gives authoritarians the ability to extend surveillance and control to every aspect of people's lives at an economical cost.

    When people are tracked any where they go on their daily business, when AI is used to rate people's social conformity, when such ratings drive decisions that affect liberty and prosperity, and when a state whole heartedly pitches its resources behind such measures, then for the average person, the machines really have become the overlords.

    We are a mere 5 years into the AI revolution and it's absolutely stunning how far China has already gone in this direction.
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    https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/12/1...s-surveillance

    Chinese police expanding facial recognition sunglasses program

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    when a state whole heartedly pitches its resources behind such measures, the for the average person, the machines really have become the overlords.
    Then the response is as old as people have existed. Rise up, smash the machines and build a new state.

    Doesn't matter what the tech is

    There comes a tipping point eventually

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    Xinjiang reported free of terror attacks last year | China Daily | Mar 14 2018



    Exhibit A - Smiling Uighurs

    No problems in xiangjiang

    "Xinjiang will continue to enforce the comprehensive anti-terrorism measures to keep the region stable," said Shohrat Zakir, chairman of Xinjiang. He spoke during a plenary session of the Xinjiang delegation to the first session of the 13th National People's Congress, the top legislature.

    A series of new anti-terrorism measures have been introduced since Chen Quanguo was appointed as Party secretary of Xinjiang in August 2016.
    The harassment and beatings will continue until morale improves -- The management
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    Quote Originally Posted by laowhy86 View Post
    In China, we haven't really seen evidence of this yet. Despite the news headlines. I really want to make an informed video on the topic, but at this point, I can't seem to have hard evidence of how this technology is being used.
    Would this change your mind any ?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8357966.html

    Making a video about this is likely to get you banged up in a bad way
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