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    China allowed diplomats from twelve countries with large muslim populations to tour around Xianjiang last month. These diplomats came from Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan, Thailand, and Kuwait

    China takes diplomats from 12 countries, including India, on trip to Uyghur-dominated Xinjiang | HT | Jan 09 2019

    “Xinjiang is an open place,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said in a briefing in Beijing earlier this week. But he cautioned those who would visit to “abide by the purposes and principles of the UN Charter and refrain from interfering in others’ internal affairs or undermining others’ sovereignty.”
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    China is 'in a league of its own' on human rights violations, Pompeo says
    Pompeo singled out Beijing for detaining members of Muslim minority groups as he unveiled annual human rights report

    China is “in a league of its own” when it comes to human rights violations, the US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, said on Wednesday as he unveiled the state department’s annual report on human rights around the world.

    Pompeo also highlighted abuses in Iran, South Sudan and Nicaragua but singled out Beijing for its mass detention of members of Muslim minority groups in the Xinjiang region.

    China, often seen as the main strategic adversary of the United States in the long term and locked in thorny trade talks with Washington, “is in a league of its own when it comes to human rights violations”, he said.

    The report said that authorities in the region have arbitrarily detained 800,000 to possibly more than 2 million Uighurs, ethnic Kazakhs and other Muslims in internment camps designed to erase religious and ethnic identities.

    “For me, you haven’t seen things like this since the 1930s,” said Michael Kozak, the head of the state department’s human rights and democracy bureau.

    “Rounding up, in some estimations ... in the millions of people, putting them into camps, and torturing them, abusing them and trying to basically erase their culture and their religion and so on from their DNA. It’s just remarkably awful.”

    Kozak said China had initially denied there even were camps, and is now saying “there are camps, but they’re some kind of labor training camps and it’s all very voluntary”.

    The report came hours after a senior official in Xinjiang hinted that the system of internment centres – which China describes as vocational training centres – may one day be phased out.

    “In general there will be fewer and fewer students in the centres. If one day our society doesn’t need them, the education and training centres will disappear,” said Shohrat Zakir, the governor of the region and its most senior Uighur official.


    Zakir’s comments come after months of mounting international criticism, and signal what could be a new phase in China’s campaign in Xinjiang, as the costs prove unsustainable for local governments and a significant portion of the population passes through the camps.

    The state department report said government officials in China had claimed the camps were needed to combat terrorism, separatism and extremism. However, international media, human rights organizations and former detainees have reported that security officials in the camps abused, tortured and killed some detainees, it said.

    “It is one of the most serious human rights violations in the world today,” said Kozak.

    Pompeo also said the Iranian government had killed more than 20 people and arrested thousands without due process for protesting for their rights “continuing a pattern of cruelty the regime has inflicted on the Iranian people for the last four decades”.

    In South Sudan, he said that military forces inflicted sexual violence against civilians based on their political allegiances and ethnicity, while in Nicaragua, peaceful protesters had faced sniper fire and government critics had “faced a policy of exile, jail or death”.

    The report also revised its usual description of the Golan Heights from “Israeli-occupied” to “Israeli-controlled”.

    A separate section on the West Bank and Gaza Strip, areas that Israel captured along with the Golan Heights in a 1967 war in the Middle East, also did not refer to those territories as being “occupied”, or under “occupation”.
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    China 'at war with faith' says US ambassador at large

    Hong Kong (CNN)US Ambassador at Large for International Religious Freedom Sam Brownback has accused the Chinese Communist Party of being "at war with faith," and warned that its policies risk stoking extremism.

    Speaking at the Foreign Correspondent's Club in Hong Kong on Friday, the ambassador, a former US senator, said in recent years there had been increasing discrimination against Catholics, Muslims and Tibetan Buddhists across China.

    "What does the Chinese Communist Party have to fear from its faithful people? Why can't it trust its people with the Bible? Why can't Uyghur children be named Mohammad? Why can't the Tibetans choose and venerate their own religious leaders like they have for more than a thousand years?" Brownback said.

    China was registered along with 10 other nations as a "countries of particular concern" by the US in December 2018 under the International Religious Freedom Act, due to "systematic, ongoing (and) egregious violations of religious freedom."

    Brownback's speech joins a growing tide of international condemnation of Beijing following reports that more than a million Muslim majority Uyghur have been detained by authorities in massive camps in the western region of Xinjiang.

    The Chinese government originally denied the existence of the camps but now says they are "vocational training centers" designed to combat Muslim extremism in the province.

    But former detainees and human rights activists have offered a different story, one of mass re-education inside the camps, physical torture and death. One former inmate told CNN she saw nine of her fellow detainees die due to the hostile conditions.

    Brownback said Friday the detentions of Uyghurs were "arbitrary" and based on their religious practices. "We need to call these camps what they are -- they're internment camps, created to wipe out the cultural and religious identity of minority communities," he said.

    Contrary to China's claims, Brownback said the inmates are subject to "physical and psychological torture, intense political indoctrination and forced labor." Rather than solving an extremism crisis as China alleges, "they are creating one," Brownback said.

    The US ambassador at large also raised concerns over the treatment of Tibetan Buddhists by Beijing as well as China's large Christian community, who have seen growing repression in the past year.

    Brownback isn't alone in condemning the Xinjiang camps. In February, Turkey's Foreign Ministry prominently denounced the "torture and political brainwashing" in a statement, asking for the UN to intervene.

    US Vice President Mike Pence said in October China was involved in "around-the-clock brainwashing" in the centers.

    But despite the tough stance, some US lawmakers have claimed the Trump administration isn't doing enough to stop the abuses in Xinjiang. A bipartisan group of politicians wrote a letter to the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo calling for "meaningful action."

    When asked by journalists, Brownback said the US administration didn't "discuss internal matters" about possible action against China over Xinjiang. He said his staff had requested access to the camps and be turned down.

    But he said he didn't want to go to the camps just to "get a show," he wanted to be able to go inside and talk to the inmates freely.

    "I get regularly now, every week, list of names of people that are held in prison in internment camps in Xinjiang from concerned family members. Dozens, hundreds of names from people who are seeking just to know what's happening with their relatives," he said.
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    Just heard of this "social credit" system and its truly scary in terms of the way it can control people's lives.

    The complicated truth about China's social credit system | Wired | Jan 21 2019

    If the parents don't keep their scores up then the kid may not get a shot at a good school. For others low scores mean no access to fast train tickets.

    Its taking the idea of a credit score and turning it into a social score. A defaulter not only cannot get loans but there are further consequences.



    Way to fix a low score is to donate to charity, what charity it is used for isn't known.

    Whoever controls this data is ripe for corruption.

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    Things are so good in China that its business community invests billions in America and elsewhere where their money is safer.

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    After locking up as many as a million people in camps in Xinjiang, Chinese authorities are destroying Uighur neighborhoods and purging the region's culture. They say they’re fighting terrorism. Their aim: to engineer a society loyal to Beijing. Photo illustration: Sharon Shi. Video: Clément Bürge
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    China is 'a threat to the whole world and should be split up into 10 countries', says dissident writer
    Dissident writer Liao Yiwu said it's better for mankind if China 'splits up'
    Liao was jailed for his poem called 'Massacre' on the Tiananmen Square protests
    He said he wants to return to his native Sichuan province when 'it's independent'
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    A dissident writer dubbed the 'Chinese Solzhenitsyn' said Friday that his homeland is a 'threat for the whole world'.

    Liao Yiwu, who was jailed for writing a poem called 'Massacre' about the Tiananmen Square protests, told AFP that it would be better for mankind if the economic superpower 'splits up'.

    'My dream is that China splits up into 10 or so countries. Because China as it is today is a threat for the whole world,' he said as his latest book, 'Bullets and Opium', was published in France.

    The book, which has been banned in China, recounts the stories of dozens of victims of the Tiananmen massacre, when troops killed thousands of pro-democracy protesters in Beijing in 1989.

    The massacre, which is also known as the 'June Fourth Incident', is a major taboo in China.

    Liao, who has been living in exile in Berlin since 2011, said, 'Returning to China is not a big concern for me. I would like to go back to my native Sichuan - when it's independent. Then I would be delighted to return.'

    Liao, a poet and musician who also reported on the lives of the Chinese poor, was tortured in prison, according to human rights groups, and harassed by the police on his release.

    He told AFP that he was 'very pessimistic' about his country under the increasing authoritarian rule of President Xi Jinping.

    'Thirty years ago we thought we might develop towards democracy. Today it is all about making money.

    'Every one of the Western countries which criticised China after the (Tiananmen) massacre fight with each other now to do business with the executioners even as they continue to arrest and kill people,' Liao added.

    He poured scorn on the fact that Xi Jinping's daughter studied at Harvard along with the children of other Communist Party leaders. 'Even the leaders' mistresses are getting grants to study' at the US university, he claimed.

    'Those who have scruples are marginalised while those who make money without criticising the party can do what they want,' said the 60-year-old.

    But Liao insisted that Tiananmen is the major turning point in recent Chinese history.

    'For me, as for all Chinese people, it was a cataclysmic moment,' he said.

    'You cannot mention the massacre in China, it's taboo. My struggle is to make the truth of what happened known to as many people as I can.'

    The writer said that three decades on 'we still don't know the exact number of victims'.

    Human rights groups believe that between 2,600 and 3,000 people died after 200,000 soldiers were brought in to encircle the Chinese capital.

    British diplomatic cables declassified in 2017 put initial estimates of the death toll at around 10,000.

    'The Mothers of Tiananmen group have published 202 names but we know there was a lot more than that,' Liao added.

    As for the young man standing in front of a tank, who became a symbol of the peaceful protest, 'we still don't know his name or his fate,' he added.

    'The name Wang Weilin given to him by Western journalists was invented. We know nothing about him even though he is the symbol of the millions of people who opposed the tyranny of June 4,' the writer said.

    Liao's book 'Testimonials' about his time in prison has been compared to the Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn's 'The Gulag Archipelago', and was praised by Chinese Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo, who died in 2017 after spending years in prison.

    Territorial issues are deeply sensitive in China and any suggestions that the country could be broken up are likely to stoke outrage.

    Last year hotel chain Marriott was strongly criticised by Chinese authorities for listing Taiwan - along with Tibet and Hong Kong - as separate countries, all regions which Beijing claims under its authority.

    In May, US clothing retailer Gap apologised to China over a T-shirt with a map showing the mainland but omitting Taiwan - self-ruled since 1949 - which Beijing considers a rebel province awaiting reunification.
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    Global Silence on China’s Gulag | Project Syndicate | Apr 08 2019

    How does China get away with this shit ? if anybody says anything they could care less. So now nobody says anything ? why bother.

    If nobody says anything then doing anything is out of the question

    The last thing China needs right now is more enemies. Yet Xi has used his unbridled power to expand China’s global footprint and lay bare his imperial ambitions. His repression of Muslim minorities may or may not lead to international action against China. But it will almost certainly spawn a new generation of Islamist terrorists, compounding China’s internal-security challenges. China’s domestic security budget is already larger than its bloated defense budget, which makes it second only to the United States in terms of military spending. The Soviet Union once held the same position – until it collapsed.
    A matter of time ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    China is 'a threat to the whole world and should be split up into 10 countries', says dissident writer
    Dissident writer Liao Yiwu said it's better for mankind if China 'splits up'
    Liao was jailed for his poem called 'Massacre' on the Tiananmen Square protests
    He said he wants to return to his native Sichuan province when 'it's independent'
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    Well there are some either very brave or completely crazy people in that country : D



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