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Originally posted by astralis View Postthe fervor is not the same. this is essentially an (economic) war of choice, so i suspect political support for Trump imposing tariffs is quite a bit lower than for Trudeau/Nieto/Macron/Abe/etc etc in imposing counter-tariffs.
Trump NOT imposing tariffs is tantamount to Obama not even attempting to pass health care reform. I don't see how Trump isn't as bound into his course of action as, say, Merkel.
Originally posted by TopHatter View PostNobody is holding a gun to Trump's head to slap these tariffs on imports. His top ecomomic adviser quit over this issue. It's foolish to ignore that Trump was the unstable ignorant asshole that put a torch to the fuse, nobody else.
Also, who the hell is going "rah rah go Europe" around here?
Trump doesn't want to roll back to status quo anyways, so why should he care? The assumption that the US can win a trade war means the imposition of retaliatory tariffs are GOOD things. It's just escalating a war he already thinks he can win.
Also any status quo that is not based on US supremacy is doomed to fail anyways, so I'm not particularly wedded to this system.
Originally posted by snapper View PostWhen did the Canadian war start?
To your other comment, again, "aggressor" doesn't mean anything. I understand you think America is the "aggressor." A lot of people who voted for Trump think the other nations are the "aggressor." And even though I am a general supporter of Free Trade, if we started slapping tariffs on China, I would not think anyone would define the US as the "aggressor."
Also, Germany has no right to accuse anyone else of being economically "aggressive" after their shitshow of austerity packages for the last decade."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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We're not talking about political support from the entire spectrum, just specifically Trump's rather narrow political coalition. And it's a pretty small, precarious political coalition, which quite explicitly promised a renegotiation on trade. It's ALWAYS been in the US political calculation, but it's definitely front and center in the Trump platform in a way that it was not for other elected platforms.
Trump NOT imposing tariffs is tantamount to Obama not even attempting to pass health care reform. I don't see how Trump isn't as bound into his course of action as, say, Merkel.
and that's not the only promise Trump made on the campaign trail. where's the bloody wall? where's that huge infrastructure plan?
economic nationalism was a pillar of Trump's campaign, yes, but the core of Trump's support has always been based off cultural war stuff-- immigration.
playing the trade war stuff is a lot of cost for very little gain, either politically or economically. and what support there IS for it will probably disappear once it starts hitting the pocketbook. :shrug:There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post"This is Radio Free Canada broadcasting to our friends in the American Resistance..."
The poutine has extra cheese.
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The beaver is wearing flannel.
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The loon is off the water.
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The curling ice is melted.
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Originally posted by hboGYT View PostYou can always reason that, in times of war, I want domestic production of [insert goods and services] that cannot be disrupted by foreign powers.Originally posted by GVChamp View PostThis is a misunderstanding. "National Security" does not mean we expect Canadians to invade, it means we want our own supplies to nationalize in case of war. The American Army cannot go into Canada and take over Canadian steel mills if for some reason we need more steel.
Originally posted by GVChamp View PostTo your other comment, again, "aggressor" doesn't mean anything. I understand you think America is the "aggressor." A lot of people who voted for Trump think the other nations are the "aggressor." And even though I am a general supporter of Free Trade, if we started slapping tariffs on China, I would not think anyone would define the US as the "aggressor."
Also, Germany has no right to accuse anyone else of being economically "aggressive" after their shitshow of austerity packages for the last decade.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostRight so imposing sanctions on your allies for "national security" purposes is really just like playing footsies or giving them a playfull kick? It should in no way be regarded as hostile.... Funny how words have to change their meaning for Trumpkin apologists.
Originally posted by snapper View PostWell I certainly agree regarding German economic policy in the EU. But look the aggressor is the one who changes the starts changing the status quo - the first to cross the border into their neighbours land or put tarriffs on their trading partners goods. I actually thought Trump said he was doing these tarriffs specifically toward China but it seems he must do the Kremlin's bidding and penalise US allies. You really believe this is good for US interests? The Kremlin will be very happy.
Diplomat, economist, soldier, you are not.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostRight. The Kremlin is extremely happy the EU is buying less Russian oil and gas because they don't have to make so much steel.
Diplomat, economist, soldier, you are not.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostBut Canada is the biggest steel exporter to the US.
Originally posted by snapper View PostPutin wants to split Europe and the Atlantic alliance; Trumpkin is doing his bidding.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostAnd Trump just put $15bil into Ottawa's coffers while the demand for Canadian steel has not gone down.
Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostNice invite to Putin to reform the G8.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostAnd increased steel prices in the US.
Originally posted by snapper View PostHard to 'reform' a meeting of leaders when he is not invited. Why because he annexed Crimea and persecuting the native Tatars there. Chamberlain was a fool but when Trumpkin does appeasement it is 'statesmanship'?Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 13 Jun 18,, 20:47.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostThere goes your splitting of the EU and the US. A supposedly pro-Putin US adds zero dollars into Putin's pockets while an anti-Putin EU sufferring from US tarrifs will cut into Putin's pockets. Yeah, Putin sure came out ahead in this deal.
A trade with US and it's allies in no way helps Putin... yea right and the Senate elected 'Pompey'.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostA trade with US and it's allies in no way helps Putin...
Originally posted by snapper View Postyea right and the Senate elected 'Pompey'.Chimo
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