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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Who voted for children to held in cages?
    44% (or whatever percent voted for "build the wall") of the electorate
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Leading means setting an example. Elected people are elected to represent the people - what is representing them but a service? Who voted for children to held in cages? Nobody as far as I know. How is that representing the people then?
    That you disagree with something is exactly the point: the politicians are not there to serve you, they are there to make decisions. If you disagree with those decisions, you can petittion for redress of grievances and elect different people in the next election. They do NOT serve you and are NOT bound to respect your wishes: this is part of why we have representative government in the first place.

    But you have no right and no authority to make decisions yourselves. Only the lawful government does.

    No one even voted to drop an A-bomb on Japan. No one voted to invade Iraq. No one even voted for President Ford!
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    Full article: http://www.dw.com/en/eu-to-impose-co...day/a-44315190

    EU to impose countertariffs on US products as of Friday

    EU countertariffs on a list of US products would come into force on Friday, the European Commission said Wednesday.

    The retaliatory measure comes in response to US tariff hikes on steel and aluminum that were imposed on EU member countries on June 1, with the White House citing grounds of national security.

    "We did not want to be in this position," EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom said in a statement. "However, the unilateral and unjustified decision of the United States to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on the EU means that we are left with no other choice."

    'Doing nothing no option'

    The agreed EU countermeasures will initially target a list of US goods worth $3.2 billion (€2.8 billion), most of which will be hit with import duties of 25 percent.

    The products affected by the move range from agricultural produce such as rice and orange juice to jeans, bourbon, motorbikes and various steel products. The higher tariffs had previously been registered with the World Trade Organization (WTO).

    "The rules of international trade that we have developed over the years with our American partners cannot be violated without a reaction from our side," Malmstrom said. She called the EU's response "measured, proportionate and fully in line with WTO rules."
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    Coal in the crossfire: Chinese traders wary of being burnt by trade war

    BEIJING (Reuters) - At least three U.S. coal shipments on their way to China may end up casualties of the escalating trade dispute after Beijing said it would impose steep tariffs that may kick in before the ships reach their destinations.

    The addition of coal to the list of more than 650 items facing higher tariffs came as a shock to Chinese steel mills and trading firms that just last month were encouraged by Beijing to buy more U.S. coal to narrow the trade gap, four sources with knowledge of the plan said.

    Although 545 items on the list face higher tariffs starting July 6, Beijing did not specify when coal and the other remaining items would be hit.

    But coal’s presence on the list has sent shudders through the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    44% (or whatever percent voted for "build the wall") of the electorate
    Horseshit.
    If you want to really go out on a limb, 'build the wall' was on the ballot, but when people were allowed to vote, they voted for a candidate for a complex set of reasons.

    Putting kids in concentration camps wasn't on the ballot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    You are right, that was inappropriate and I do take that back. However, the main essense remains the same. Political appointees define policies, officials execute/ enforce them.

    No argument there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    Horseshit.
    If you want to really go out on a limb, 'build the wall' was on the ballot, but when people were allowed to vote, they voted for a candidate for a complex set of reasons.

    Putting kids in concentration camps wasn't on the ballot.
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    The people who voted for Trump probably are on board with prosecuting illegal entry to the extent of the law, which is going to lead to separate detentions for children as a matter of course. I don't think Trump is losing a TON of support from his base, just enough to kill the policy. Going from 44 to 40 is pretty damaging, even if it's only, what, 9% of your team.

    But, yeah, that's exactly the point, the people voting are not aware of all the nuances of policy. That's why you have a leadership team. THEY should be aware of the complications. Trump IS trying to throw red meat to his base, that's exactly the problem with politicians "Serving the people." The people know jack shit.
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    Separating children from their parents and putting them in camps is not how I see the US. You don't want them (?), deport them immediately. This is very shameful, even if they are kids of illegal immigrants. Why President Trump make such policies just to back down I don't know. But calling the camps as concentration camps, is well, just as vile as the policy is. I also believe in respect for the Chair, irrespective of who the President is & which side the President leans on. I am no fan of Trump, but he won the elections and he is here to stay. Instead, work with him and try to find a middle ground.

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