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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    What did you understand ?
    That was the time when except the Soviets no one was lending us anything, let alone sympathy. Then we had the Satan's' mistress herself, Robin Raphael's twisted narrative, to deal with. What I understand is we could have rescued those hostages, but it would not have served our larger interests at that time. Letting those innocent tourists getting killed by PA's sponsored terrorists gave us some breathing space, while giving bad press for Pakistan. Sacrificing pawns in order to continue our strategic FP vis-a-vis Pakistan. It's like, see we told you Pakistan is behind all this mess in Kashmir, but you'll wouldn't believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    The bigger embarrassment is how he got away with it for so long and here he is with the envoys only a few short days ago !!!

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    What are the odds there are more moles like him in the J&K police ? pretty good i think if they've been serving there before 2014

    This isn't unusual in insurgency hit areas. If it happened in J&K, its happened in the NE as well.

    The good news is they made it public and not pushed it under the rug.
    I think IB had a handle on him. It was to catch him red-handed that they waited up until now. Part of the cat and mouse game. And why go public? Odds are other moles like him think they're next and make mistakes for the red flag to pop up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    What I understand is we could have rescued those hostages, but it would not have served our larger interests at that time. Letting those innocent tourists getting killed by PA's sponsored terrorists gave us some breathing space, while giving bad press for Pakistan. Sacrificing pawns in order to continue our strategic FP vis-a-vis Pakistan. It's like, see we told you Pakistan is behind all this mess in Kashmir, but you'll wouldn't believe it.
    Americans already checked out that theory and dropped it

    One theory that circulated from the start was that India's powerful intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing, or R.A.W., knew much more about the kidnappings than it disclosed. Some Indians even suggested that the agency, whose operations in Kashmir have included setting up ''rogue'' rebel groups and directing them in activities designed to discredit the Pakistan-based insurgents, might have instigated the kidnappings to provoke the outrage of the United States and other Western countries.

    The evidence for this, which American officials say they have examined and disregarded, was mostly circumstantial, but some questions lingered:

    Why was it, skeptics asked, that Indian officials were able to maintain frequent radio contact with the kidnappers in the early months but -- despite the availability of sophisticated direction-finding equipment brought in by the United States -- were never able to locate the hostage-takers?

    Similarly, questions were asked about the Indian officials' attitude toward some Western efforts to resolve the affair, which included, at times, excluding Western investigators from the area where the hostages were believed to be held, and refusing to allow the United States to publicize in Kashmir or elsewhere in India the fact that the State Department has posted a $2 million reward for information leading to Mr. Hutchings.

    Indian officials posted a reward of their own, of 1 million rupees, equivalent to about $28,500, and announced it in Kashmir but told American officials that publicizing the much larger American reward among the 7 million Indian Kashmiris might encourage a new wave of kidnappings for profit.

    American officials have continued to argue for a reversal of the decision, but say that in any event they do not suspect the Indians' motives.

    ''If R.A.W. had ever contemplated a covert action program that involved kidnapping an American, they would have realized that it was a virtual certainty that we would have discovered it, and that would have killed it stone dead,'' a senior American official said.
    Means they have agents here. In the 70s both the Soviets & CIA did. In the intelligence, foreign office, defence ministry etc. The place was so leaky that a secret shared by one side would be known the day after by the other party. Result is both stopped telling us secrets.

    The KGB papers - 'It seemed like the entire country was for sale' | Telegraph India | Sept 25 2005

    Soviets banrolled 21 candidates for Indira in '77. Still she lost. They expected her to annul the results of the election. She didn't and turned in her resignation. Reason is the military would not support her otherwise.
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    ^ I'm not saying R&AW instigated those kidnappings. All I'm saying is R&AW & IB combine with the help of the IA could have either prevented, or rescued those hostages. We give much less credit to our intelligence agencies than they deserve.
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    The message that is getting through to the people on the streets. Ignorant right wingers. 100% sure, if a right-wing channel does the same on left-wingers, the results will be the same. Ignorance. OMG!!!
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    ^Hilarious. This vid has a scoopwhoop feel to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    China makes fresh bid to raise Kashmir issue at UNSC

    The CPC is not at all serious in mending ties with India.
    Is that the second or third time they've tried to do this ? let them keep trying.

    Only took ten years to get Masod Azhar on the list, so there is plenty of time left before China gets its way : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Is that the second or third time they've tried to do this ? let them keep trying.

    Only took ten years to get Masod Azhar on the list, so there is plenty of time left before China gets its way : )
    China-Pakistan alliance again comes up short on Kashmir at UN

    In Lahore, Mani Shankar Aiyar makes claim of rift between Modi, Shah over NRC

    Disgrace.

    Congress govt showed no interest in nailing 1984 rioters: Panel

    Karma catching up.
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    China should reflect on global consensus; refrain from such actions: India on UNSC move

    If the P4 didn't have our back, we'd already be under sanctions.

    Love jihad making Kerala girls sex slaves: Church

    More are speaking out now, including Christians. So, not all is smoke.

    Book claims Trump has no idea India has a border with China

    Haha.

    Meanwhile, Cops bust JeM module in Srinagar, arrest 5 operatives

    States sponsoring terrorism must be taken to task: Chief of Defence Staff General Rawat

    In an address at the Raisina Dialogue, General Rawat also said there is a need to take a hardline approach in dealing with terrorism, the way the US went after terror groups after the 9/11 terror attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Love jihad making Kerala girls sex slaves: Church

    More are speaking out now, including Christians. So, not all is smoke.
    Hundreds of complaints have been filed in various police stations across the state on the Love Jihad. But no arrests have been made so far in such cases, he alleged.

    Meanwhile state police chief Loknath Behera said that they do not have any information on the matter. “If there is anything specific, the police will take necessary action,” he said.
    What is the desired outcome here ? they expect the cops to break into a house and then arrest the guy or what

    I suppose the problem is framing the charge. Some girl gets into a relationship, ends up trapped unable to get out and her parents can't do a thing.

    What would this be called in general ? its not abduction

    But these girls can run away whenever they want isn't it. Harder to do abroad when travel documents are held by the males but in India what stops them. I find these articles do not answer basic questions

    There's a more ominous question lurking beneath.

    If this happens to non-muslims girls then what is the situation with muslim girls ?

    This question needs to be asked if it isn't up to now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    China should reflect on global consensus; refrain from such actions: India on UNSC move

    If the P4 didn't have our back, we'd already be under sanctions.
    The current move by China was the third such attempt since August when the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir under Article 370 of the Constitution was scrapped by the government, and the state was bifurcated into two union territories.
    Third attempt

    It's ok if he does not know our history or geography. What matters is he not oppose us and sides with us when it counts.

    Yes, the border with China is longer than the one US has with Mexico but the Bangla border is longer still. People aren't asking for a wall against China, they want one with Bangladesh.

    Like what the Americans did with Solemaini. Doing it was easier for them but the idea still holds
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    One of the podcasts i listen to is questioning this story

    The guy has access to money in other ways.

    Why then does a DSP of 20 years need to put himself in such risk of being caught and lose everything ?

    Nobody has said he has changed sides either. He's not a militant. He's not a Khalistani.

    Who says he keeps militants in his home and gets them weapons. Where did that line come from. Article says he admitted it. Really ?

    Does this sound credible at all

    Initially, he repeatedly claimed that he was trying to win the confidence of the terrorists to catch a 'bigger fish' but could not substantiate the reasons for not following due protocol.
    Surprised this did not work as that's what it looks like he was doing.

    In a letter written in 2013, Afzal Guru, who was executed after being convicted for Parliament attack, explained how "DSP Davinder Singh", the then deputy superintendent of police of Special Operations Group, had asked him to "take Mohammad", a co-accused in Parliament attack case, "to Delhi, rent a flat for his stay and purchase a car for him".
    This was never investigated. It was believed to have been fabricated by Afzal Guru
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    Curative news for today:

    India's import curbs big blow to Malaysian palm oil, I'd like to see Turkey and China both in some way, in the list.
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    Rs 177 crore: Jammu and Kashmir ex-finance minister's son held in bank scam

    Just a day before his parole ends, ‘Dr Bomb’ disappears

    Dr. Bomb has been killed in an encounter with Police/ Dr. Bomb's ass has been dragged back into jail.

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    Lol. That was quick.
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