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    Now this next lot has a sense of rhythm. I take it this is the grand total of Pak expatriates & their friends in France ? maybe they had some help from friends across the channel to make up numbers : D

    Can't see any Khalistanis.



    These people are masters at false equivalence. We and the world accuse them with copious proof and they just call us the same thing back. Infantile.
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    Good choice of analyst TRT : )



    Wonder if TRT will invite him again : )

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    Good news for Oracle, jihadi ambassador Munir Akram will be replacing Maleeha Lodhi at the UN : D

    In major reshuffle, Munir Akram to replace Maleeha Lodhi as Pakistan's envoy to UN | Dawn | Sept 30 2019

    Guess his earlier indiscretion has been overlooked

    Sex, Rhetoric And Diplomatic Impunity | Outlook | Jan 27 2003

    In Indian diplomatic circles, Munir Akram is infamous for his rabid rhetoric against New Delhi. Kashmir or nukes, Akram's visceral anti-India tirades are legion. In fact, the Brothers Akram—Munir and Zamir (who was earlier posted in India)—are known for the poisonous missiles they launch regularly at India. Munir, as spokesman of his foreign office, once called Salman Khursheed "kirai ka Muslim".
    Yes Munir, try that with Akbaruddin and will learn the meaning of the word slick : )

    Both Munir and Zamir, have made their reputation on the one thing that serves Pakistani diplomats well—loud anti-India rhetoric. They have successfully parleyed their bellicosity to endear themselves to the army establishment. Two days after taking his post in NY, Munir Akram threatened the use of nuclear weapons against India.

    "India should not have the license to kill with conventional weapons while Pakistan's hands are tied regarding other means to defend itself," he said.

    In Geneva, he regularly accused India of harbouring the lowest of low intentions against Pakistan because it declined to sign the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty in the mid-1990s.

    Says G. Parthasarthy, India's former high commissioner to Pakistan: "In my view, the senior diplomats of the 1980s like Niaz Naik, Riaz Piracha, Humayun Khan and Shahryar Khan were sophisticated people who could put their view points without being abrasive."

    But the later crop led by the Akram brothers, Riaz Khokhar and Shamshad Ahmed went to another school, one where more bile means more clout with the army and the ISI.
    Given the ease our most junior rep at the UN trashed Imran's speech you could say the Paks are in need of some one more abrasive than Maleeha.

    This is not the India he was up against the last time he was at the UN. So he's going to have to bring his best game.
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    Seems AIM got challenged for writing this article. Maybe more specifically for calling out the WSJ article saying hospitals were turning into graveyards from Aug end. He'd visited the same hospitals and the staff confirmed there were no medicine shortages given they've learnt to stockpile from shutdowns prior.

    Kashmir pellet wounds not superficial: The story Abhijit Iyer-Mitra didn’t report | The Print | Oct 01 2019

    He has posted a blow by blow rebuttal to this challenge story on his twitter

    50 meters its the ABSOLUTE outward limit that they can go to. Damage is from 0-30 meters and they disperse at 15-20 meters after which there is a dramatic drop in kinetic energy.
    This is interesting. It means pellet injuries occur when people are closer than 30m. Further away the injuries will be less. Photos of people with their back full of pellet injuries means they were quite close. What were they doing so close ? eh ?
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    In addition to Modi's gig in Houston, the Foreign minister met 42 foreign ministers, 36 bilateral meetings, 8 pull asides, 7 mulilaterals, 3 speaking engagements along with visits to 7 think tanks.



    Quite the blitz to dent Pak's efforts at the UNGA

    MBS has sided with India over J&K.

    Erdogan is selling arms to Pakistan so he wants to keep his customer happy. No idea how the Paks are paying Turkey maybe from loans of other countries.

    Mahatir is doing it for domestic political interests, his support is weakening at home so rallying for muslims across the world is his way to regain support.
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    In Kashmir, some foreign tourists appreciate the ‘peace and quiet’ | TOI | Oct 03 2019

    Ballantine, a science teacher, is one of 928 foreign tourists who arrived at Srinagar International Airport from August 5 to September 30, according to records of the Foreigners Registration Office.

    And no, that doesn’t include journalists on duty. At 928, the number of foreign tourists who arrived at Srinagar International Airport from August 5 -- the day Article 370 was nullified -- to September 30 is down dramatically from 9,589 in the same period last year.

    But given the prevailing circumstances, it’s remarkable that even this number has come to the Valley.
    Reporters interview with the Scottish tourist.
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    People were expecting this as soon as the UNGA meet was over : )

    'They will be released one by one': J&K admin on release of politicians in Kashmir | TOI | Oct 03 2019

    When questioned about the timeline for release of political prisoners in Kashmir, Farooq Khan , adviser to Jammu and Kashmir governor Satyapal Malik said: "Yes, one by one after analysis of every individual, they (leaders) will be released."

    The leaders of Jammu and Kashmir political parties were placed under detention following the abrogation of Article 370 by the Centre on August 5.
    No date of release as in when or how soon is mentioned

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    There have been reports of children been picked up by the police and detained. Turns out a couple of child activists petitioned the Supreme Court to look into the matter. It directed the Juvenile section of the J&K high court to report back in a week. They did.

    Charge of illegal arrest of minors figment of imagination: J&K juvenile justice panel | TOI | Oct 02 2019

    The Juvenile Justice Committee (JJC) of Jammu and Kashmir high court comprising four HC judges submitted a report to the Supreme Court giving details of 144 minors arrested by the police since August 5 and said 142 of them were released while two were in juvenile homes.
    So all 144 accounted for. Who said they were being picked up

    The JJC’s report dated September 26 dealt with each incident of alleged illegal detention of minors by the police mentioned in the petition, which was based on reports in Washington Post, Quint, Scroll and Caravan.

    The JJC also said the committee or its members individually “has not received any complaint or representation or anything like that from any individual, lawyer, human rights activists, group persons, organisations, civil society members or any other person complaining about arrest of any juvenile”.
    Yet these publications have articles detailing such on whose bidding ?

    Following are extracts of the director general of police’s report to the HC committee:

    * Detention of 11-year-old from Pampore is factually not correct. “This (news) report has been generated with the intention to malign the police and to create a story which may have an element of sensationalism

    * Incident at Soura in Srinagar: Police admit it to be a disturbed area in which minors were found involved in violence. “The report carried by Washington Post does not indicate the source which has quoted this incident to check veracity”

    * Quint report on Baramulla incident appears to “have been solely based on fictional imagination... it appears very strange that international print media and online news portals could carry this false report but not the local media”

    * Confirm picking up two boys involved in stone pelting in Rajbagh police station area on August 22. “After proper counselling by the SHO, they were handed over to their parents the same day”

    * Washington Post report of August 30 about two boys was “wrong reporting” as it did not provide specifics about the alleged incidents

    * Scroll report of August 28 “suggests as if police are a predator on a prowl” alleging that a boy on his way to hospital with tea and food was arrested. It defies common sense as to why he would be arrested and put behind bars. “This is nothing but attempt to demoralise police

    * Washington Post report of August 9 “is false and baseless” as no such report about arrest of a minor has been reported.
    How these publications get away with this ? the supreme court has to get involved over this nonsense !!!!



    What about it WaPO ?? Why are you in this list multiple times ?
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    Anurag introduces the show mentioning the TOI article in the previous post



    Abha Khanna, Media Director, J&K Study Center.

    Over the last couple of years I credit this woman with changing the way i think about how Kashmir was reported. She's been on the show a few times telling us how difficult it was to get balanced coverage out of the valley. Anything pro india came with a death sentence. Why all Kashmir english papers are default pro-separatist etc. Freedom of the press and freedom of speech. We couldn't do a damn thing about it and the separatists exploited that.

    Now, the key point is this is all before Aug 5.

    After Aug 5 even the Kashmir media has been behaving properly. As could be gauged by latest episode of Kashmir truth on DD news that went through headlines posted by a few of them on a given day.
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    Unbelievable what was said by this Birmingham rep at 46:40 and passed without opposition at this Labour party conference last week.

    Who wrote his speech ? ISPR ?



    There have been no corrections or action taken after to remedy the situation by the Labour Party.

    We said it was regrettable and we will not be speaking to them. Short & blunt.

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    If he has any hopes to be future PM then this will have to be true : )

    Kashmir to be among most developed states in next 10 years: Shah | ET | Oct 03 2019

    "I have firm belief that we will gain success in complete eradication of terrorism and terrorist ideology from Kashmir after abrogation of Article 370.

    Our Kashmir would be mentioned in the list of most developed Indian states within 10 years," Shah said.

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    Two months in without a single casualty yet the NYT thinks its a disaster. That disaster is Imran striking out and not getting runs, he must have had an off day. Team Imran & co. have been having many of those of late.

    Good takedown of the below garbage by Rishabh & co

    The U.N. Can’t Ignore Kashmir Anymore | NYT (edit) | Oct 02 2019

    By The Editorial Board
    The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.

    As India cracks down on a long-disputed region, two nuclear powers face off.

    Oct. 2, 2019

    Pakistan’s prime minister, Imran Khan, was a man on a mission at the United Nations, imploring members last week to persuade India to lift its siege of Kashmir, a longtime flash point between the two nations, which both have nuclear weapons.

    Failure to do so, he warned in a speech before the General Assembly on Friday, could result in war between the neighbors if Kashmiris push back against the suffocating presence of thousands of Indian troops.

    Since Narendra Modi, the Hindu nationalist prime minister of India, revoked the semiautonomous status of the Muslim-majority state on Aug. 5, his government has imposed a curfew and detained nearly 4,000 people, including lawyers and journalists. There have been serious allegations of torture and beatings. India cut phone and internet service, leaving millions of people isolated.

    While Mr. Modi didn’t address the issue in his United Nations speech, at a rally in Houston a few days earlier he said that revoking the constitutional clause on Kashmiri autonomy meant “people there have got equal rights” with other Indians now. That’s an absurd assertion to make about a state in the world’s largest democracy that’s essentially under martial law.

    “If the U.N. doesn’t speak about it,” Mr. Khan told The Times editorial board the day before his speech, “who is going to speak about it?”

    He may need to keep looking. Resting any hopes on the United Nations seems futile, given the approach it has taken to the dispute in recent decades.

    At one time, the United Nations made an effort to play peacekeeper in Kashmir. The Security Council tried to mediate tensions between India and Pakistan within months of their independence and partition in 1947.

    While the United Nations still has an observer group to report on cease-fire violations in Kashmir, it has stepped back since the 1970s, when, after the two nations went to war, they agreed to take care of future differences through bilateral negotiations.

    Pressure from India — which has long resisted outside intervention in Kashmir — helped keep Kashmir off the Security Council’s agenda until August, when China backed Pakistan‘s request for a discussion of Mr. Modi’s power grab. The session, held out of view of the media and public, accomplished little, though. The Council couldn’t even agree afterward on a common message.

    The United Nations’ lack of resolve is a sad sign of the dysfunction in international diplomacy as American leadership declines and divisions among world powers grow. President Trump has offered to mediate, but his warm relations with the increasingly autocratic Mr. Modi — Mr. Trump attended the Houston fan fest — hardly make him an honest broker.

    Countries are unwilling to risk crossing Mr. Modi and losing access to India’s huge market. Pakistan is economically weak. It also damaged its standing, and its position on Kashmir, by supporting militant groups that have attacked Indian troops, stirring a conflict that has torn Kashmir apart for decades.

    Mr. Modi claims his clampdown would resolve that conflict and bring normality and development to Kashmir. But it seems more likely that it will only heighten tensions and make life more miserable for Kashmiris.

    He could avoid disaster by lifting the siege, relaxing movement across the border between zones of the Kashmiri region that are held by India and Pakistan, releasing political prisoners and allowing independent investigators to look into alleged human rights abuses. Perhaps India’s Supreme Court, responding to various legal petitions, could even order him to reinstitute autonomy.

    Those hopes are almost certainly in vain.

    At least, in their last few crises, India and Pakistan demonstrated restraint. But it is easy to see how tit-for-tat actions can begin to escalate.

    The Security Council should make clear that it opposes Mr. Modi’s brutal tightening of India’s control on Kashmir. While Mr. Modi may think he can control this volatile conflict on his own, he almost certainly cannot.

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    She's taking a break

    Shehla Rashid Quits Electoral Politics, Says She Can't Legitimise Suppression of Kashmiris | The Wire | Oct 09 2019

    I joined a political formation that never asked me to give up my stance regarding the right to self-determination of the people of Jammu and Kashmir on both sides of the border. We believed that it was possible to deliver both justice as well as good governance, and also work for the resolution of the Kashmir issue as per the wishes of the people of Jammu and Kashmir. All this would have been possible if the government respected the rule of law. However, the Centre’s recent actions have shown that, when it comes to J&K, it doesn’t even respect its own laws, forget international law. The Centre also gets away with it because the institutions play along.
    Self-determination is out. It's been out ever since Simla or even further back yet this trope has persisted and she is finally getting it.

    In view of mounting international pressure on the Indian government to end the siege in Kashmir, the Centre now wants to showcase a sham electoral exercise in order to convince the world that it is still a democracy. However, what is underway is not democracy, but the murder of democracy. It is a plan to install puppet leaders.
    Nonsense! those block level elections are a start. Once delimitation concludes there will be elections to the assembly.

    Political leaders are being forced to contest elections only on the issue of restoration of statehood, and asked to keep quiet about Article 370 and bifurcation of the state! Anyone who doesn’t comply will face incarceration. Anyone challenging their detention will be slapped with the draconian Public Safety Act. It is clear that participation in any political activity in Kashmir requires a compromise.
    This is not a compromise it is a requirement if you plan to represent J&K. The old days are over. Get with the program or step aside. There are plenty of people willing to step up to build a new reality.

    The government of India keeps inviting youth to “join the mainstream”. However, the Centre’s actions have, for decades now, only served to push people out of the mainstream. If being in the mainstream means compromising on the basic interests of your people, then one cannot be part of such a mainstream! If the state really wants the youth of Jammu and Kashmir to join the mainstream, it first needs to demonstrate that it is capable of delivering justice.
    The state is in control for a change and dictating the narrative instead of constantly having to play second fiddle to whatever the ancien regime in Kashmir wanted.

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