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  • Anchar is in Soura. Figures.

    I went to meet pellet gun victims in Soura, the new epicentre of Kashmir’s anger | The Print | Sept 25 2019

    In short, Anchar is definitely not a jihadi hive, but their “liberated zone” has less to do with their spirit and more to do with marketing and using Jenab Sahib Mosque as a hostage.
    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Another hotspot. Anchar

    'They want to erase us': the Kashmiri suburb defying Indian control | Guardian | Sept 11 2019

    Not a whole lot as to why this place is so unruly
    AIM's looking for pellet gun victims and not finding as many as you would expect after the Sept 12 clashes

    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Best show in town for a few weeks now is in Soura

    Last edited by Double Edge; 26 Sep 19,, 08:25.

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    • Remember that post made about the Pak strategy, this is phase 2. The people.

      Keep in mind official stand of the UK is bilateral issue. This is the opposition party making waves and that is the point. Just the opposition party. No need to harrangue any Brits over it.

      UK's Labour Party passes resolution for 'self-determination' of Kashmir; India blasts move | The Week | Sept 26 2019

      The UK's Opposition Labour Party on Wednesday passed an emergency motion on Kashmir, calling for party leader Jeremy Corbyn to seek international observers to "enter" the region and demand the right of self-determination for its people.
      Come over when we're ready. Now is not the time.

      "The conference urges the Labour Party to ask Jeremy Corbyn or ensure someone is represented to attend the UNHRC to demand the restoration of basic human rights including the freedom of speech and communication, the lifting of curfews, and to allow the humanitarian aid organisation and international observers to enter the region," reads the resolution.
      Hurts to not have communications if you're a militant i bet.

      What curfew ? several observers have noted that there is no govt curfew but in fact a civil curfew.

      India on Wednesday slammed the resolution. Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Raveesh Kumar described the Labour Party's move as an attempt at "pandering to vote-bank interests".

      There is no question of engaging with the Labour Party or its representatives on this issue, he said.

      "Government has noted certain developments at the Labour Party Conference on September 25 pertaining to the Indian State of Jammu & Kashmir. We regret the uninformed and unfounded positions taken at this event," Kumar said.
      The matter rests there

      Should there be an election in the UK, Labour needs votes so they are doing it for that. Given the resolution passed it then becomes policy should they form a new government. This is where i start to doubt whether the UK will actually press this issue as there will be fallout. What is Pakistan worth compared to India ? i just can't see them proceeding with this even if they do become the ruling party. This is not the India of the 90's

      The resolution was passed unanimously. Begs the question about outreach. Why wasn't the Indian high commission connecting with the Labour party on this issue and putting across our point of view.. Was there no way ? because it appears like we weren't even present if this resolution passed unopposed.

      Not a single Indian origin Labour MP thought of raising any objections !!
      Last edited by Double Edge; 26 Sep 19,, 15:51.

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      • Is this why we did not get very far with Labour ? A former Labour Party member says...

        Labour Party 'hijacked' by coalition of hard left extremists, Jihadi sympathisers: Manoj Ladwa | ANI | Sept 26 2019

        London [UK], Sept 25 (ANI): Manoj Ladwa, CEO of UK-based media house India Inc. and former chair of Labour's Indian Community Engagement Forum, said that the Labour Party has been "hijacked" by a coalition of "hard-left extremists" and "Jihadi sympathisers".

        "The Labour Party has historically enjoyed good relations with India and its diaspora community in the U.K. However, under Jeremy Corbyn this relationship has become fractured due to what can only be described as now an institutional bias against India and Indians," Ladwa said in a statement on the recent motion passed by the Labour Party on Kashmir at their annual party conference in Brighton.

        "This resolution on Kashmir is ill-conceived, misinformed, and will only further alienate the vast majority of Indians from Labour. The revocation of Article 370 was both constitutional and just, giving women, minorities, LGBTQ communities the rights which this so-called 'special status' denied," Ladwa said.

        "It's ironic that Labour through passing this resolution seeks the continued oppression of these communities," he added.

        Ladwa stated that he left the Labour Party after 20 years "precisely because it no longer is a party of the many"

        "It has been hijacked by a coalition of hard-left extremists and Jihadi sympathisers" he said.

        Ladwa claimed that Corbyn's Labour Party pretends to speak in liberal terms but panders to the most illiberal ideologies.

        "This is a slippery road to more divisions in British society, precisely at a time when Britain needs politicians to build bridges with all communities and friendly nations like India," he said.

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        • A discussion on who the Paks use in the US



          Ro Khanna & Pramila Jaipal. What the heck are these two doing mouthing the Pak's rhetoric ?!?!

          The Wahabi lobby pays well i suppose.

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          • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
            Anchar is in Soura. Figures.

            I went to meet pellet gun victims in Soura, the new epicentre of Kashmir’s anger | The Print | Sept 25 2019





            AIM's looking for pellet gun victims and not finding as many as you would expect after the Sept 12 clashes

            Don't you find this as the main problem in the valley. The people there have no problem milking the state but working against it at the same time. The thing about no shortage of medicine and other supplies is interesting, how do you expect people to be reasonable when they don't expect to feel any inconvenience by their actions. Would this kind of behavior be tolerated in other parts of India. Is this going to be the new norm now, continue status quo but with a new bunch of Abdullas and Muftis or will the situation change after UNGA.....
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            • Originally posted by 667medic View Post
              Don't you find this as the main problem in the valley. The people there have no problem milking the state but working against it at the same time.
              It is exactly that. Conflict enterpreneurs and we were willing participants and even encouraged it.

              Been going on for a long time. Swear allegiance to India on a visit to New Delhi after they milked us for some money then go back to Srinagar and sing a different tune and then milk the Paks for more.

              The thing about no shortage of medicine and other supplies is interesting, how do you expect people to be reasonable when they don't expect to feel any inconvenience by their actions. Would this kind of behavior be tolerated in other parts of India. Is this going to be the new norm now, continue status quo but with a new bunch of Abdullas and Muftis or will the situation change after UNGA.....
              Well, this is the fear of the locals.

              Until New Delhi can convince them of real change they will assume status quo because things will be just the same with another bunch of Abdullas and Muftis

              They're not sticking their necks out.

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              • This chap has been quiet lately, so why is he so keen on looking anti-India. What about the Kurds...

                https://www.aa.com.tr/en/74th-un-gen...cclaim/1594264
                Turkish leader's remarks on Kashmir win wide acclaim

                Tuesday's remarks at the UN by Turkey’s president on the Kashmir issue won widespread acclaim.

                Addressing the 74th General Assembly, Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that a solution to the Kashmir issue, which has persisted for 72 years, can only be found through dialogue.

                "In order for the Kashmiri people to look at a safe future together with their Pakistani and Indian neighbors, it is imperative to solve the problem through dialogue and on the basis of justice and equity, not through clashes," said Erdogan.

                He said residents of Jammu and Kashmir are "virtually under blockade with 8 million people, unfortunately, unable to step outside of Kashmir," referring to an Indian government clampdown imposed last month.

                Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan thanked Erdogan for raising the Kashmir issue before world leaders at the UN.

                "We are very thankful that the president has taken a very principled stance," said Khan, adding that Pakistan and Turkey have a "very good relationship."

                The official Twitter account of Pakistan’s government also shared Erdogan's remarks on Kashmir in a banner with his picture.

                "We salute President Erdogan for forcefully raising the issue of occupied Kashmir in his address today to the UN General Assembly and also referring to UN resolutions on the issue," said Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan's envoy to the UN.

                Social media storm

                Thousands of people from Pakistan and Kashmir also flooded social media with messages thanking Erdogan for mentioning Kashmir in his speech.

                #OurVoiceErdogan became the top trending hashtag on Twitter, garnering nearly 300,000 tweets in a few hours.

                “President Erdogan conquered the hearts of the people of Kashmir with his statement at the 74th UN General Assembly,” Ghulam Nabi Fai, secretary-general of the Washington-based World Kashmir Awareness Forum, said in a written statement.

                Fai stressed that Erdogan's speech provided the most reasonable, practical, and applicable option for solving the Kashmir issue.

                Tensions between the two South Asian nuclear neighbors have mounted following the Indian government’s move on Aug. 5 to scrap the special status of Jammu and Kashmir.

                Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir has been under a near-complete lockdown since then, with the government blocking communication access and imposing restrictions on movement to thwart any protests in the region.

                Several rights groups including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have repeatedly called on India to lift restrictions and release political detainees.

                India said that 93% of the restrictions have been eased in the conflict-ridden region, a claim that Anadolu Agency could not independently verify.

                From 1954 until Aug. 5, 2019, Jammu and Kashmir enjoyed a special status under the Indian constitution which allowed it to enact its own laws. The provisions also protected the region's citizenship law, which barred outsiders from settling in and owning land in the territory.

                Also, the Indian government further downgraded and divided the disputed region into two centrally controlled “union territories.''

                India and Pakistan both hold Kashmir in parts and claim it in full. China also controls part of the contested region, but it is India and Pakistan who have fought two wars over Kashmir.
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                • Did they really expect their knight in shining armor to do magic. How would India respond to this provocation...

                  https://wkzo.com/news/articles/2019/...c-push/941220/
                  Anger, impatience mount in Pakistani Kashmir as Khan makes diplomatic push
                  MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - As Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan prepares to deliver another appeal to the world to address the situation in Kashmir, he faces the risk that rising anger in his country's portion of the disputed region could spiral into a confrontation with India.

                  Some people in Pakistan's portion of Kashmir said thousands of people were preparing to storm the line of control (LOC) - a ceasefire line agreed with India that is one of the most militarized frontiers in the world. Reuters could not independently verify the claims.

                  But regional tensions have swelled since India stripped its portion of Kashmir of autonomy in August, made mass arrests, limited communications and imposed curfew-like restrictions in some areas to contain a decades-long uprising against New Delhi's rule.

                  Khan has appealed to Kashmiris to give him the chance to sway the international community and he is scheduled to address the United Nations General Assembly in New York on Friday, but patience appears to be in short supply in Pakistani Kashmir.

                  "We are all waiting for the United Nations...to see if the world can help us. Otherwise, we will try to break the LOC border," said Habib Urhman Afaqi, the president of the Jamaat-e-Islami political party for the district of Kotli, near the LOC. He said tens of thousands of men around the region were organizing by word of mouth and social media.

                  "We are preparing people, emotionally, and collectively we will be ready to fight on 27 September," Afaqi said.

                  As of Thursday, there were no signs of any gathering of people in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan's portion of Kashmir which is about 30 km (18 miles) from the LOC. Political leaders in the region said they were waiting until after Khan's speech to take action.

                  Khan has strongly criticized New Delhi's actions in Kashmir in an international diplomacy campaign and cut off trade ties, but has condemned the plan to storm the LOC. He said in a speech this month that anyone who attempted to cross the border risked drawing the ire of India, losing international sympathy and would be an "enemy of Kashmir".

                  Pakistan's military said it would not allow any one to cross the LOC.

                  "Pakistan is making all peaceful/diplomatic efforts to awaken world conscience to get them (Kashmiris) relief," the military's media wing said in an e-mail. "However, as stated earlier Pakistan keeps all options open and shall go to any extent as regards resolution of the Kashmir dispute."


                  "CANNON FODDER"

                  Both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers and have fought three wars since independence in 1947, two of them over Kashmir.

                  A spokesman for the Indian military warned against using Kashmiris as "cannon fodder" and said he hoped Pakistan would ensure the LOC was not breached.

                  "The Indian army is aware of the public utterances of Pakistani leaders aimed at instigating unarmed civilians," the spokesman said in response to a question from Reuters.

                  "It is a known fact that they are being sent on harm's way to create a humanitarian crisis to draw world attention."

                  Khan told the New York Times on Wednesday that he would appeal in his speech for United Nations intervention in Kashmir but was not optimistic he could accomplish much in the short-term. He warned of large-scale violence in Indian Kashmir when the restrictions on civilian movements were lifted.

                  Kashmir has been Pakistan's single most pressing foreign policy issue since it was born out of British colonial India, but some Pakistani Kashmiris say Khan is being weak.

                  "Imran Khan has nothing at stake and this decision whether to trample down or storm the LOC should be of the Kashmiris,” said Subiyal Rasheed, a 35-year old software engineer from the town of Rawalakot, who says he is speaking with other young men about storming the LOC en masse.

                  Memes using the hashtag"#TweetoSultan" went viral in recent weeks, a play on historic Muslim warrior Tipu Sultan and a dig at Khan that his battle was being waged through ineffective emotional tweets.

                  Khan told reporters in New York this week that he was doing everything he could.

                  "We can't attack India, clearly that is not an option, and apart from that we're doing everything possible we could do," Khan said.

                  India, which says its revocation of Kashmir's special status will allow the region to develop economically, has long accused Pakistan of training, arming and sending militants to Kashmir.

                  Pakistan denies this and says it only provides diplomatic and moral support to non-violent separatists in the region.

                  Khan has stepped up his warnings this month that India is planning a 'false flag' attack on its own soil to give it an excuse to attack Pakistan, a claim India denies.

                  Syed Salahuddin, a Kashmiri militant commander who heads an alliance of over a dozen groups fighting Indian rule in Kashmir, said in a speech this month that "harsh steps" from Pakistan's government had hindered his groups' ability to take action.

                  He later said in an interview that Pakistan should send troops across the border or convince the United Nations to send peacekeeping troops there.

                  "Pakistan has been extending us political and moral support...but the Kashmiris want some practical steps," he told Reuters by phone, declining to answer further questions.
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                  • He's saying this speech at the UNGA will be the last that Imran will give as PM of Pakistan. That he will be made to resign soon as he has been unable to garner international support against India for 370



                    Imran will be the sacrificial lamb.

                    Domestic media of late has turned against him. A precursor to public demonstrations asking for his resignation ?

                    Shariff had to deal with them for months when Imran was instigating them. Shariff didn't leave. It was the Panama papers that did Sharif in.

                    There is talk that the PA wants to cut a deal with Zardari & Sharif.

                    I don't know how those two can be politically rehabilitated again. Only their successors can take over but they are still young.

                    Imran still has mass appeal. PM's typically get into trouble only when they challenge the PA and Imran has never done that.

                    I find it hard to believe this guy who has worked 25 years to become PM will walk away so easily after only little over a year in office.
                    Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Sep 19,, 09:38.

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                    • Heard both PM's speeches. Modi talks about what he has done for India. Imran asks help from the world to do things for Pakistan. That is the basic structure.



                      Nailed it!
                      Last edited by Double Edge; 28 Sep 19,, 09:54.

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                      • What to make of this video ? It's not fake!



                        It's current. Fri 27, after prayers

                        Why no Red Kashmiri flags. I suppose the Pak handlers have banned it. Only PO J&K flags allowed.

                        The streets where the procession took place seems familiar now. Seen the same street a few times already. Look for that Toreto ad

                        It's Anchar

                        We know why the cops won't do anything there.

                        What happened to the curfew ? If this many people can move around then curfew is relaxed at least during the time of day this video was taken.

                        So if they gradually relax things, then we will see more areas where protests erupt.

                        As long as they are peaceful i suppose there is no harm. People then cannot say we are locking them up.

                        Notice the lack of pellet guns. We only use those against stone throwing mobs.
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 28 Sep 19,, 23:59.

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                        • Really ? Jeremy, just how do you plan going about getting the UN involved in Kashmir should you become PM.

                          Your party isn't known for keeping election promises anyway : D

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                          • Op-ed from the foreign minister

                            Changing the status of Jammu and Kashmir will benefit all of India | FT | Sept 24 2019

                            Subrahmanyam Jaishankar SEPTEMBER 24 2019

                            The Indian parliament passed legislation last month changing the status of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, modifying provisions that have been an obstacle to economic development and promoted a sense of separatism.

                            Critics have highlighted these step as a departure from recent history, and precautionary measures intended to facilitate the transition have also become a subject of debate. These issues are best addressed by laying out the Indian government’s reasons for the new approach.

                            The anachronistic provision that governed Kashmir — Article 370 — was explicitly acknowledged by the Indian constitution as “temporary”. By any standards, 70 years is a long definition of that term. The reason why it is being changed now lies in why the situation lasted so long. The earlier provision created a cosy arrangement of local ownerships that served the state’s political elite well. But it denied economic opportunities and social gains for the masses. The resulting separatist sentiments in some quarters were then exploited by neighbouring Pakistan to conduct cross-border terrorism.

                            For many years, this underlying reality was ignored. That era has now ended as Prime Minister Narendra Modi addresses this challenge decisively in his quest for better governance and speedier development.

                            Parliament’s changes to Jammu and Kashmir’s status are constitutionally proper and received support beyond the ruling Bharatiya Janata party and its allies as it was passed by a two-thirds majority. It reflects a larger consensus on the need for drastic reform.

                            The old, temporary Article 370 prevented the application of most national legislation to the province without the consent of local politicians. This artificially raised the costs of doing business there: local ownership rules discouraged outside investment.

                            Although the central government spent 10 times more on the average resident of the province than in the rest of the country, that investment did not show up on the ground. Infrastructure projects slowed down amid concerns about irregularities in public finance. Recent reports of corruption in banking and recruitment underlined this situation. Residents have had to seek education, medical access and employment in other provinces.

                            The inability to apply national laws has led to the denial of socio-economic justice. State laws did not give women equal rights on property and prevented child protection programmes. They rejected affirmative action that was practised in the rest of India. Domestic violence laws, female representation in local bodies and the right to education were all kept at bay. Discrimination against refugees was open.

                            A provision intended to provide temporary comfort to the process of aligning with the rest of the nation was misused for many years. By doing so, it encouraged links between separatist politicians and terrorist groups sponsored by Pakistan.

                            As minorities were driven out of the state in their thousands, this polarised environment was exploited politically. During the past decades, thousands of people lost their lives due to terrorist attacks.

                            The Modi government had to chose between continuing with the old policy or pursuing progress and modernity by changing the region’s legal status. That it has chosen the bolder and better option should be applauded, not criticised

                            The legislative changes have not altered India’s external boundaries or the “line of control” that delineates the territory under the control of India and Pakistan. The changes are entirely domestic. As they make a positive impact on the lives of the people, the justification for cross-border terrorism will become even more untenable.

                            The boundaries of Indian states have been reorganised 14 times since independence. What has now happened in respect to Jammu and Kashmir is the norm, not an aberration.

                            Mr Modi is addressing a range of social, economic and political challenges in order to advance his country. In the past year, the prime minister’s initiatives have tackled gender discrimination, climate change and river pollution. He is working to spread digital access, improve skills, boost start-ups, manufacturing, generate jobs and embrace technology. His policy towards Jammu and Kashmir is fully in consonance with his vision of a new and modern India.

                            India is a democratic society with robust parliamentary practices. This is a well-intended change designed to improve daily lives and create more opportunities. If it requires precautionary measures, other nations who have faced their own challenges of social justice and national unity will surely understand. Such precautions are always temporary in a democratic polity.

                            There is a new reality in the making in Jammu and Kashmir. It is driven by economic development, social progress and gender justice. Its future is based on freedom from intimidation and fear of terrorists. Those who identify with these goals will surely welcome the change.

                            The writer is India’s minister of external affairs.

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                            • This is a different India from the one of the past

                              Indian PM Modi meets Armenian and Cypriot leaders following Erdoğan’s pro-Pakistan speech | Ahval | Sept 27 2019

                              Modi’s meetings with two neighbours of Turkey that have had long-standing issues with the country may be interpreted as a hint on how India may respond if Turkey continues with its pro-Pakistan stance, Swarajya said.

                              Armenia maintains that the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Armenians within the Ottoman Empire from 1915 occurred as a result of exile policies implemented by the Committee of Union and Progress government of the time, and thus constitute genocide. Turkey accepts that massacres took place, but vehemently denies allegations of genocide.

                              Following a coup backed by Greece, Turkey invaded the northern third of the Mediterranean island of Cyprus in 1974, and has been the main backer of the breakaway Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which is only formally recognised by Turkey. Efforts to resolve the issue with involvement by the UN and European Union have failed in the past.

                              “The statement made by Erdoğan at the UNGA has surely cast a shadow on the bilateral relationship between India and Turkey,” India’s The Print quoted India’s former ambassador to Turkey Melkulangara K. Bhadrakumar as saying.

                              “But this is also true that Turkey has been rhetorical on Kashmir,” he added. “We have become very one-dimensional since Turkey enjoys a friendly relationship with Pakistan. We are not engaging with them at all.”
                              I agree with Bhadra here, what is the Indian embassy & ambassador doing in Ankara. Is there really no way to reach out to Turkey ?

                              Turkey’s Erdoğan is quietly courting Indian Muslims - analyst | Ahval | Dec 28 2018

                              This is something new. Erdogan sees himself as some sort of Caliph

                              Pandya said that most Indian analysts are being short-sighted when ruling out Erdoğan’s larger political ambitions and seeing his initiatives in India merely as efforts to undermine the Gulen movement.

                              But Erdoğan has other reasons to invest in Indian Muslims, Pandya said, because the country has the world’s third largest Muslim population and Erdoğan has been seeking ways to increase his influence among Muslims globally.

                              A number of “controversial” Turkish Islamist clerics are also regularly visiting India, Pandya said. One of them, Sardar Demirel, who was educated in Pakistan, visited Kolkata in 2016 to participate in a protest march against a reform measure to bring Muslim divorce laws in line with India's secular laws, he said.

                              Turkey has also extended a warm welcome to several extremist Indian Muslim preachers, according to the analyst. One of them, Zakir Naik, known as "the world's leading Salafi evangelist”, delivered a speech in 2017 for an organisation run by Erdoğan’s son, Pandya said. In his speech, Naik declared that Erdoğan was the only Muslim ruler who had the guts to support Islam openly, he added.

                              Turkey also funds NGOs for outreach among Indian Muslims, Muslim student exchange programs, and influence within madrasas and mosques, Pandya said.
                              Shah Fesal was on his way to Istanbul before being stopped at Delhi and sent back to Srinagar.
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