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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    DE, the Colonel is right. What next? Capturing, say 5 posts, doesn't act as a deterrence. Pakistan will continue with their state policy of supporting terrorism. Next we should capture the next 3 posts from which infiltrations occurs. This is a hard military response, not deterrence. But every time we make such a move, and if we're successful, we get closer to Pak land. That's something the Paks will have to think about.
    Coy garrison.

    5 posts won't do, have to go further and capture the base those guys came from. This is now much more involved for the expected outcome.

    The reason this story came out is its unworkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Coy garrison.

    5 posts won't do, have to go further and capture the base those guys came from. This is now much more involved for the expected outcome.

    The reason this story came out is its unworkable.
    I think so too, now. But the story was spun to let people read it as 9/11 happened and India has to cancel the plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Didn't know you read articles by Rahul Pandita (Kashmiri Pandit), I do. My blood begins to boil while I read his articles. When curfew is lifted, there would be riots and dead bodies. There would be mayhem and bloodbath. All of this, we should pay back in full to Pakistan by bombing their strategic military locations. Enough of pussying around.
    Not heard of him until a week back when he was on Milan's show. He then did a short interview with NPR. What he said gels with what i've heard from other people. HuffPo really works him over in their interview

    Modi Government Is Nervous And Being Excessive In Kashmir, Says Rahul Pandita | HuffPo | Sept 02 2019

    In your interview with NPR, you said that “silent majority” was in favour of the abrogation. That’s a pretty big claim to make.
    It is a fact.

    But how do gauge that. How many people did you speak with 1, 20, 50, 100, 500?
    It’s not only about my dispatches from Kashmir for the last 10 days. My engagement with Kashmir is on a day-to-day basis. So, I know from speaking to people for the past many many years that there is a significant number of people in Kashmir, who may not have any love for the idea of India, but they are wise enough to understand that their future and interest lies with the idea of India.

    Now, what happened was that in 2014, when the Narendra Modi government came, they thought that it was an ultra-nationalist Hindutva government. They thought that if Mr. Modi cannot fix things now, nobody can.

    What happened right after Mr. Modi assumed power. They made an alliance with a party (Peoples Democratic Party) that is seen as the propagators of soft secessionism in Kashmir. A lot of these people thought that if an ultra nationalist party like the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) also has to embrace the same people then what chance do we stand when it comes to opening up our narrative, when it comes to coming out of the so called closet and openly speaking about the atrocities that have been perpetrated upon ordinary Kashmiris by jihadi militants, by terrorists, by separatists, by stone throwers etcetera. So, they kept shut. This time, they want to come out, but they are not sure whether this is something permanent. They are not sure whether the Indian government will put them back in the hands of National Conference (NC) or the PDP. So, they are exercising a lot of caution. When things stabilize a bit, when things open up a bit, you will see in the next few months that many of these people will come out and say openly what they feel about the abrogation of Article 370.
    heh, that is an amazing revelation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuku View Post
    The target is information dominance, its more about volume and constant noise than content.
    I don't understand how the social media war between India and Pakistan makes any difference at all, except just polarizing Indian's and Pakistani's.

    This all from India Pakistan online is just noise, no content to it.
    Compare 26/11 with Pulwama.

    The difference is social media

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    Why Pakistan is changing its tune on Kashmir | The Print | Sept 04 2019

    This time, however, Pakistan openly warned of a terror attack, but nearly a month later we are yet to see it. Many have said that’s because Pakistan is under global spotlight and pressure, negotiating with Donald Trump, the IMF, and the FATF at the same time even as it manages a precarious economy.

    Some analysts feel a terror attack will take place after the United Nations General Assembly’s 74th session concludes in September-end.
    Just before the FATF meet ? If nothing happens they will say after the FATF meet

    Pakistan-backed terror attacks are often aimed at creating global headlines to ‘internationalise’ Kashmir. But they often fail to do so. Now that India is itself ‘internationalising’ the issue, why would Pakistan need a terror attack?
    So there will be no attack then ?

    After the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai, India did not respond militarily to Pakistan despite immense domestic pressure to do so. Similarly, India did not cross the Line of Control during the Kargil war, did not respond militarily to the Kandahar hijack in December 1999, and did not actually go to war after Parliament attack in 2001 despite threatening to do so.

    The idea was to look like the more responsible state between the two and use the opportunity to lobby against Pakistan globally. This ‘strategic restraint’ was aimed at destroying Pakistan’s reputation at the international stage, painting it as a ‘terror state’, and isolating it in the international fora. Such a strategy aims to impose non-military costs on a country, such as its relations with other countries, its foreign aid and investments, its tourist inflows and the worth of its passport. Narendra Modi changed the policy of strategic restraint with a surgical strike in 2016 and an air strike in 2019.
    I see, so that was the idea for non-action.
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    Two very different narratives on Kashmir

    Pandita

    Nirupama Subramaniam

    We don't know as yet which is correct but see the mood, one is hopeful the other despondent.

    I was listening to a chat by the son of a Congress leader who has been taken into detention. Salman Soz.

    This guy as expected was skewering the govt's narrative.

    What got me was he thought the conflict would continue for another 30 years.

    If 370 was the reason this conflict has endured as long, a view endorsed by military who served there then i cannot see how removing it will prolong it.

    Surely, leaving it in place rather would guarantee that outcome

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    Leave aside PO J&K for a moment.

    India’s abrogation of Article 370 is an opportunity for Pak to redefine its nationalism | IE | Sept 05 2019

    Counter-intuitive and strange it may seem, but the events of August 5, 2019, when the Narendra Modi government revoked the special status of Jammu and Kashmir provided by Article 370, could be a game-changer for Pakistan. Whatever Pakistan may continue to claim, the fact is that the Indian Jammu and Kashmir is no longer a bilateral issue. As Pakistan gets used to the new reality, it could have a huge opportunity.
    Now, there is no more Kashmir issue : )

    Perhaps the best explanation for Pakistan’s obsession with Kashmir was provided by Z A Bhutto in his The Myth of Independence (1969) when he wrote: “If a Muslim majority area can remain a part of India, the ‘raison d’etre of Pakistan collapses. For the same reasons, Pakistan must continue unremittingly her struggle for the rights of self-determination.” Though hanged by the army, Bhutto’s enunciation became the foundation of Pakistan’s Kashmir policy. Not surprisingly, Pakistan has spent the last seven decades in revanchist schemes like the “raiders” in 1947, “infiltrators” in 1965, and “freedom fighters” since 1989 and especially in Kargil, in 1999. All of these have borne no fruit except to inject a jihadi culture and radicalise society.
    Once the dust settles and Pakistan realises that the events of August 5 are a fait accompli and not going to be reversed, it would have a considerable opening to assess the implications of what has happened and reconsider its policies.

    - its existence will no longer be hostage to the Kashmir issue.

    - there would be no justification for the army to dominate the security and foreign policy architecture or claim such a major chunk of scarce resources.

    - Pakistan would no longer need the jihadi terrorists and their support infrastructures and so eliminate the possibility of being blacklisted by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) or be known internationally as a terrorist hub.

    Gradually, Pakistani society could even reclaim the moderate space that it has surrendered to jihadi elements.
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    They have to resort to threats to impose their curfew !

    In J&K, terrorists use posters to fight against normalcy, warn locals of dire consequences | Zee News | Sept 06 2019

    A month after Centre abrogated Articles 370 and 35A in Jammu and Kashmir, posters by terrorist organisations have cropped up in several places, threatening people to prevent the return of normalcy in the Valley. The posters were found in Anantnag, Shopian, few districts of north Kashmir and downtown Srinagar on Wednesday and Thursday.

    As the situation gradually limps back to normal in the valley, such posters by terrorist outfits are urging locals to continue the boycott of Centre's decision and attempt to instil fear.

    “After using previous political affiliations of people, India is making efforts to divide Muslims at this critical turn. After shunning previous political affiliations, people should not cooperate with India. Anybody cooperating will be called treacherous and murderer of this nation. The nation will fix penalty of such persons,” states one such poster allegedly circulated by Youth Wing Resistance Leadership.

    “India has been projecting our activities in a wrong manner before world nations. You are requested to come out of homes on need basis and not make unnecessary use of vehicles, so that Indian media does not get justification for carrying wrong information,” it adds.

    Another public notice by 'Oppressed Kashmir People' states, “It is the responsibility of us all to hold hands of each other at this critical juncture; come on roads to expose the so-called democracy of India and to fulfil the mission of martyrs. Government employees are requested, in particular, to support by holding boycott. After every evening prayer. people should hold peaceful protests in every street and locality so that oppressed Kashmiris can get their rights.”

    According to intelligence sources, Jaish-e-Muhammed (JeM) and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) have appeared at a number of places outside local mosques in North and South Kashmir districts threatening shopkeepers, transporters and others with dire consequences if they attempt to resume normal activities.

    Some masked youths also reportedly appeared in some mosques in Srinagar and Sopore warning people not to resume normal activities.

    "This remains a big worry for the militants and that is why they are resorting to civilian killings and handing down threats. Such tactics are self defeating as the common man seems to have decided not to play into their hands", said a senior police officer.

    On 5 August 2019, the Centre abrogated Articles 370 and 35A in Jammu and Kashmir which gave special status to the state and bifurcated it into two Union Territories – Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh.

    Frustrated by Indian government's decision to abrogate Article 370, which granted special status to the erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan has been desperately trying to unleash mayhem in India.

    Pakistan's spy agency ISI has upped its efforts to create disturbance in Jammu and Kashmir and the ISI has chalked out a plan to recruit 10,000 terrorists from the restive Waziristan region of its Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. Sources added that camps have been set up by ISI to provide training to the new recruits before helping them cross over the LoC to launch terror attacks in India.

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    Pakistani Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa once again threatens war with India | Zee News | Sept 06 2019

    "Today Kashmir is a victim of Hindutva and atrocities are taking place there. Kashmir is Pakistan's agenda. The move by the present Indian government is a challenge for us. Pakistan will never leave Kashmiris alone. We are committed to our duty till the last soldiers, last bullet and last breath. Pakistani Army is ready to go to any extent. War clouds and uneasiness are visible but we hope for peace. TodayKashmir is burning and under threat. I want to assure the people of Kashmir that we are with them and will not ditch them. We are ready for any sacrifice on Kashmir," said the Pakistani Army Chief in Islamabad.
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    And a one and a two.....

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    How the Pak lobby prospered | DNA | Sept 06 2019

    The group supporting terrorists in Jammu&Kashmir was pampered for years by the Indian state
    More eye openers

    People who were Indians by belief, temperament and through professions or by simply being normal, would face smirks, social ostracism and pressure to ‘raliv, galiv ya challiv’ (join, die or simply vanish).

    The word Indian was an invective; it was blackened out from the boards of organisations, restaurants and shops in Kashmir; people who could not compromise on their identity were counseled to keep a low profile.

    Hizbul Mujahideen issued a threat to George and me in 1992, asking us to leave Kashmir within 48 hours. Our crime was that as journalists we had reported the fact of Hizbul splitting due to financial dispute between its factions.

    Issuing the threat to us was part of the plan to banish Indians from Kashmir.

    Many Kashmiris were simply left at the mercy of new jihadi commanders and their suit-wearing embedded omnipresent supporters. They were in offices, hospitals, buses, schools, restaurants and places where media persons met informally. They were feared the most for they always behaved more loyal than the king.

    A handful of leftists – poets, writers, thinkers and academicians – were targeted by the new defacto oligarchs in Kashmir. A couple of them were killed in cold blood and others subjected to the humiliation of seeking pardon for their lack of belief in Allah (La-deen) inside the local mosques. This made many others retract into silence while some fell in line.

    Nothing in Kashmir was spontaneous; a well-organised plot to create chaos and undermine the State of India was unfolding without any resistance as the elected government had fled and small-time leaders had been silenced by the gun – many of them were killed in cold blood, often after Friday congregation as they come out of the mosques.

    Today people in Kashmir are genuinely disturbed by the blockade of mobile and internet services. However, may I remind everyone that the Valley had remained incommunicado for six months in the 1991-92 after Hizbul Mujahidden blew up a transmission tower atop Peer Panjal at Banihal.

    In comparison, the miseries of common people were manifold then. Journalists like me had to look for friends, acquaintances or even rely on a stranger flying to Jammu to carry our typed news stories to our local offices. The telegraph machine in the Central Telegraph Office was resting without connectivity.

    Indians were treated as second-grade citizens often making them wonder why a State would appease those who were working against it. I remember the words of Rammohan Rao, media advisor to JK government and a seasoned bureaucrat, “Well, India is a soft state; can’t be seen as being harsh to those against us.”

    A Jordanian envoy visiting Kashmir had rattled Governor `Gary’ Saxena when he said that ‘India is a soft State, you have no guts to take on the enemy within.’
    It's not surprising to see how insurgency picked up because the state just wasn't there. We let down people who supported us and helped those against us. Unbelievable!!

    So no local today is going to stick their necks out and say they are in favour of abrogating 370 until they are sure the state means what it says.

    That's ok, with time they will slowly appreciate the game is well & truly up.

    After 30 years, stage set for Yasin Malik’s trial in 1990 killing of 4 IAF men in Kashmir | The Print | Sept 06 2019

    What chance did the common guy have when four service personnel can be killed with impunity
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    Sibal's rebuttal to Imran's NYT op-ed. Not seen him on the regular shows i watch for a while now.

    A rebuttal of Pakistan Propaganda | eSmaskriti | Sept 05 2019

    By Kanwal Sibal September 5 2019

    Prime Minister Imran Khan's Op-Ed has appeared in New York Times (NYT) on August 30. That NYT should publish such a slanderous propaganda piece that not only distorts facts but even manufactures them does not reflect well on its standards when accepting to publish opinion pieces by foreign leaders. It does not seem normal by any yardstick that any serious publication should lend its columns to one foreign leader to attack another country and its leader with such malice. The NYT or any publication with an international reputation should not allow itself to be used as a propaganda tool by one country against another. When a foreign leader is invited to state his position on issues of concern to his country, it should be made sure that he does so in a measured and dignified manner and not use the opportunity given to him to vilify the leader of a third country. The NYT has failed in this regard.

    He has been put in position by the Pakistani military, which explains his allergy to barbs within Pakistan that he is a “selected” Prime Minister. This contrasts with elections in India through the largest democratic exercise ever in human history, with a voting electorate of over 900 million, virtually three times the entire population of the United States. It is the same Imran Khan who has put in prison all the major leaders of opposition- former Prime Ministers and Presidents included. He is the one who, with his refrain in Urdu that he who was a friend of India was a traitor, castigated Nawaz Sharif for reaching out to India. And today he vaunts his own offers of peace to India!!

    NYT should recall that he was called the Taliban Khan because of his support for the Taliban and opposition to US/NATO operations in Afghanistan. He supported the extremist Islamic organisation Tehreek-e-Labaik to blockade Islamabad in a bid to bring down the then government. His Islamist leanings are apparent from his speeches in which he repeatedly evokes his obsessive vision of creating a welfare state in Pakistan, not a modern welfare state based on contemporary values of democratic, liberal societies but one based on a fourteen centuries old Medina model. How is this different in essence to what the Islamic State and other extremist Islamic organisations advocate for Muslim countries- a reversion to a past golden age of Islam marked by justice, equality and the Sharia to overcome the political, economic and social problems they face today.

    Imran Khan’s so-called peaceful overtures to India have been accompanied from day one by a call to resolve the Kashmir issue as a pre-condition. He talks about India and Pakistan needing to address shared problems of poverty as a priority, but makes any step towards normalisation of relations, including in trade, dependent on a resolution of the Kashmir problem. He does not spell out the solution, except to call for self-determination for the people of Kashmir as per the UN resolutions. For one, in adopting this position he violates the 1972 Simla Agreement which stipulates clearly that the issue will be decided bilaterally by India and Pakistan alone. Even if, theoretically, the UN resolutions were to be the basis, Pakistan has violated them by not withdrawing its irregular and regular forces from Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) as a pre-requisite before other steps could be taken to hold a plebiscite. It is important to underline also that the UN resolutions were not based on Article 1 of the UN Charter and do not make any allusion to self-determination- the word is mentioned nowhere in the texts.

    The consent of India and Pakistan to hold a plebiscite was only to decide the issue of J&K's accession either to India or Pakistan, with no third choice- that of independence- that any true exercise of self-determination under the UN Charter would have involved.

    India and Pakistan have discussed the Kashmir issue numerous times since independence, with attempts also at mediation by the UN and third countries. Since the mid-1990s the two countries have had a structured dialogue, including on Kashmir. Both sides are fully aware of each other's position. Imran Khan should be asked in his new avatar as a peace maker what fresh ideas he has to propose to break the impasse. As things are, Pakistan is in illegal occupation of large parts of the erstwhile State of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) that acceded to India in its entirety. Pakistan has gained enormously geo-politically from this occupation, as it has now contiguity with China and India has no contiguity with Afghanistan. Imagine a situation in which Pakistan had no land link with China- the whole geo-politics of the sub-continent would have been different. What more does Pakistan want? More Indian territory on the basis that what it has illegally occupied belongs to it, but what India possesses legally must also be shared with Pakistan?

    J&K is a composite state like other Indian states, with people belonging to Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist faiths. Pakistan’s concern is sectarian, as it is limited to the Muslims. The whole of India with 180 Muslims has almost as many Muslims as Pakistan has. India does not accept any right of Pakistan to speak on behalf of the Muslims of Kashmir, or the Muslims of India. Pakistan maintains that Kashmir is an unfinished agenda of India’s partition, which means that its objective is to divide India once again on religious grounds, with all the horrors that India’s first partition produced.

    The NYT editors should contrast India’s treatment of the Muslims of Kashmir with China’s treatment of Tibetans and the Muslim Uighurs next door. India has not interfered in the religious practices of Muslims in J&K, destroyed their religious sites, brought about demographic changes, or imposed a language on them that is not their own. It hasn’t done ideology- based social engineering as China is doing in Sinkiang. India has not incarcerated a million in re-education camps as the Chinese have done. Pakistan’s attitude towards the Uighurs is mercenary as it is dictated by its economic dependence on China. Imran Khan recently supported China’s treatment of the Uighur Muslims in the Human Rights Council at Geneva. His Muslim solidarity is selective.

    Imran Khan is raising the issue of human rights violations in J&K and dramatising the imposition of curfew in Kashmir and communications cut-off there. These temporary, precautionary steps do not inflict violence on the Kashmiris, rather these are security tools for preventing violence in J&K by terrorists infiltrated and supported by Pakistan and complicit local elements. When Imran Khan raises the issue of human rights violations in J&K he should contrast India’s conduct in dealing with the challenge to the State with that of his country that has used its air force and heavy weaponry against its own Muslims in South and North Waziristan, and internally displaced a million of its own citizens to facilitate military operations. It has used heavy artillery to kill Baluch leaders. Its blasphemy laws terrorise its minorities. The terrorist organisations that populate its territory such as the Sipahi-e-Sahiba kill Shias, attack Christian churches and Sufi mosques. The Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-eMohammed have been declared international terrorist organisations by the relevant UN Security council committee. The United States and France, amongst others, have declared the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir based Hizbul Mujaheddin as a terrorist organisation.

    It needs recalling that Muslim extremists in Kashmir chased out about 450,000 indigenous Kashmiri Hindus from Kashmir in 1990 with threats of violence against them, in an act of ethnic cleansing. The fact is that the Indian authorities have dealt with the Kashmir problem fuelled by a foreign power with great restraint because democracies act differently than military dominated states like Pakistan

    For India, Pakistani state sponsored terrorism is a core issue, and unless Pakistan ends this the basis of any productive dialogue does not exist. The India Pakistan dialogue has broken down periodically because of major terrorist attacks against India sponsored by Pakistani agencies. Imran Khan claims he seeks a dialogue but is unwilling to acknowledge that jihadi terrorism is an issue that he needs to address. His line is that Pakistan is not involved in terrorism against India, that Pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism, that India must provide proof, and that India unnecessarily blames Pakistan for home-grown terrorism in Kashmir provoked by the human rights violations of Kashmiris by India’s repressive policies.

    How does this denial square up with actual acts of terror sourced to Pakistan, the most reprehensible being the attack on Indian parliament in 2001 and in Mumbai in 2008 that killed 166 people. India has suffered other attacks in and outside Kashmir over the years. The list is long and includes cities, religious, scientific, economic and military targets in J&K and across India. Even the U.S. is exhorting Pakistan to end cross-border terrorism against India. To build deniability, Pakistan has, over the years, also developed local assets in Kashmir to commit acts of terror so that it can purvey the argument that it is not involved. Does this mean that the eruption of Al Qaida and Islamic State elements in various Muslim countries has nothing to do with the core custodians of this ideology that spread their message across the Ummah and obtain receptive recruits?

    Imran Khan’s protestations of innocence on the issue of terrorism is spurious. Pakistan has provided safe havens to the Taliban leadership while denying its presence on its soil. It sheltered Osama bin Laden for years near its military cantonment. It has refused to act against the Haqqani group despite American prodding. The Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani group have killed thousands of American/NATO soldiers in Afghanistan. The former U.S. Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, in a testimony to the U.S. Congress, called the Haqqani group an extension of Pakistan's ISI.

    During his recent visit to the United States Imran Khan admitted that Pakistan had 30,000 to 40,000 militants on its soil who had fought in Afghanistan and Kashmir. The NYT editors could well have asked him where they have disappeared before publishing his diatribe against India. If Pakistani agencies have been complicit in Taliban/ Haqqani group terrorist attacks in Afghanistan when Pakistan has no religious differences or territorial claims on Afghanistan, to think that it is not deeply involved in terrorism against India in pursuance of both religious and territorial objectives is to deny reality.

    If Imran Khan was genuine about making peace with India he should have gone beyond statements of intent and taken some concrete steps on the ground. He could have tried and punished those responsible for the 2008 Mumbai terrorist carnage in which six Americans were also killed. He could have put away Hafiz Saeed for good, particularly as he has a $ 10 million U.S. bounty on his head. He could have done the same with regard to Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar responsible, amongst others, for the Pathankot and Pulwama attacks

    Instead, Pakistan worked with China for years to prevent his designation as an international terrorist by the UN, until it became untenable for China to do so. Imran Khan could have repatriated Kulbhushan Jadav after the adverse judgment of the International Court of Justice against Pakistan. If Pakistan is not guilty of promoting infiltration of terrorists into J&K, it could alert India’s agencies about possible infiltration attempts so that they could prevented by the Indian security forces. This would conform to counter-terrorism cooperation between civilised states. In short, Imran Khan could show his sincerity by taking credible and irreversible steps to curb the jihadi groups in Pakistan targeting India.

    Some of Imran Khan's key advisers have been applauding his peace talk as a calculated strategy to contrast him as a peace maker with India's intransigence. His Foreign Minister Qureshi has referred to the Kartarpur Corridor as a "googly". One of Pakistan's retired generals has said the other day on Pakistan TV that the Kartarpur Corridor is intended to promote the Khalistan movement. Qureshi has made the astonishing statement that Pakistan is ready for a dialogue with India provided India reverses its decision on Article 370, releases the detained Kashmiri leaders and allows him to meet them. This non-seriousness shows the reality of Imran Khan’s bogus pretensions about seeking dialogue and peace with India.

    Under cover of its nuclear capability Pakistan has been promoting terrorism in India with a sense of impunity. India has been hesitant to retaliate because of escalation concerns, until 2016 when India conducted limited surgical strikes against terrorist camps across the Line of Control and in 2019 struck at Balakot in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan after the Pulwama attack that the UN Security Council too condemned.

    Pakistan, unlike India, does not subscribe to a No-First-Use (NFU) nuclear posture. It is in this background, to deter Imran Khan's adventurism and loose talk about nuclear weapons that the Indian Defense Minister has stated that no change is envisaged in India’s NFU policy, but that any change will depend on future developments. Imran Khan is going to town on this, including in his Op-Ed in your paper, ignoring his own nuclear transgressions that, regrettably, have been overlooked by the U.S. all along.

    Imran Khan is behaving as if Pakistan had spared India terrorist mayhem because of the existence of Article 370 of the Indian Constitution. In actual fact, right from 1989 Pakistan has sponsored terrorist attacks against India even when this Article was in force. Not only that, this article was no insurance against Pakistan’s aggression against J&K in 1965, in 1971 and in 1999 in Kargil. What is then the value and relevance of Imran Khan's argument that the nullifying of Article 370 is a provocative new step that will invite violence?

    He is, in fact, openly instigating violence in J&K with his statements as and when the current restrictions there are progressively lifted.

    Much is being made by Imran Khan about the change in the status quo in J&K. India has made it clear that the change in the constitutional status of J&K within the Indian Union does not change India’s present external borders or affects the Line of Control with Pakistan in J&K and the Line of Actual Control with China in Ladakh.

    In 1963, Pakistan ceded the Shaksgam Valley of Pakistan Occupied J&K (PoK) to China. China then constructed the Karakoram Highway through PoK. Pakistan has changed the status quo in Gilgit Baltistan in 2009. The construction of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is a major geo-political change in the status quo by making the Chinese presence permanent on PoK, besides bringing in Chinese civilian and military personnel close to India’s borders. China will never agree to any future settlement of the Kashmir issue that might mean losing control over the CPEC.

    In his article Imran Khan talk of hundreds being blinded by pellet firings in Kashmir. Where has he got this figure from? Can NYT that published this canard vouchsafe for this? He talks of nullifying of Article 370 and Article 35 A as being illegal under the Constitution of India. The issue is before the Indian Supreme Court which has not yet pronounced on the matter. How has Imran Khan reached this conclusion? Has the Pakistan Supreme Court heard the matter in place of the Indian Supreme Court and given him its finding?

    He is claiming that "thousands of Kashmiris have been thrown into prisons across India", and NYT has chosen to publish this rubbish, without verification. Kashmir may be locked down but not the rest of India, and Indian as well as foreign correspondents in India would report this if it were true. Kashmiris defying the curfew are being shot and killed, he says, suggesting that this is happening in large numbers, which is patently propagandistic, and it is regrettable that he has used the NYT to purvey lies. "We have already prepared multiple options" as regards Kashmir, he says. One ridiculous one has been divulged by Foreign Minister Qureshi. Others, which he has kept secret from India, might even be more ludicrous.

    It is to be hoped that NYT and the western liberal media in general will make an effort to take a balanced view of the situation in J&K and the challenges India faces there. The problems of governing a population of 1.25 billion of great diversity democratically and integrating a Muslim population of 180 million- almost as large that of Pakistan are not to be minimised. The religious hostility of Pakistan, the progressive radicalisation of Pakistan’s own population, the jihadi organisations on its soil, the resurgence of the Taliban next door in Afghanistan, the surfacing of the Islamic State there, all impact deleteriously on Kashmir’s traditionally moderate Islam.

    The West has seen how much its democracy and society have come under strain because of terrorism and religious extremism. It has experienced difficulties of integrating its Muslim minorities. How much its commitment to human rights and individual freedoms is being tested as a result is becoming increasingly apparent. India’s problems are far bigger in magnitude and much more complex, but India has shown great resilience in dealing with them. This should be better understood and appreciated abroad, including by the political class (leaders like Bernie Sanders should not allow themselves to be manipulated by Islamic lobbies activated by Pakistan), the civil society, the media, human rights organisations and academic circles who are also influenced negatively by highly partisan views expressed in India itself by a cross section of opinion that contests the government’s decision to bring about constitutional changes in J&K.

    Ambassador Kanwal Sibal is a former Foreign Secretary. The views expressed are personal.

    This was first published by the Indian Council for World Affairs New Delhi. eSamskriti.com has obtained permission from the author to share.

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    The angle here is those that were pro govt feel let down by the manner in which 370 was abrogated. I think this sentiment will pass if the initial govt outreach is successful

    Kashmiri Govt Servants Are Shaken, But Unlikely To Stir Up A Storm | Quint | Sept 06 2019

    Waheed (name changed), an SPO with the J&K Police, shares, “The manner in which this decision was taken and implemented has hurt us. Just imagine, we ate dinner and went to bed on 4 August and the next morning we watch on TV that our state has been divided into two UTs and we have lost our special status! Did we not have a right to participate in or even know what was being done to our state?”

    J&K Police SPOs are often on the frontline of militant encounters and do not enjoy a good reputation within the community. They are often labelled traitors and collaborators.

    Militant organisations have many a time targeted them and their families. J&K Police personnel have been warned against reporting to duty in posters purporting to be from Hizbul Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

    The LeT poster says that India manipulates and misuses the J&K Police personnel and does not trust them. “Your weapons are taken away whenever India wants to take any big action in the Valley.”

    Waheed rubbishes such rumours. “No, our weapons were not taken away. In any case, we do not always move around with our guns like militants. Our weapons are kept in kot in the police station. We get them issued when we go for operations.”

    From Srinagar to Shopian, 14 J&K police personnel, of different ranks, corroborate Waheed’s account.

    A senior police officer in Shopian says, “After the Damhal Hanji Pora incident of 2016, several precautions have been taken to guard our weapons. CRPF and Army are there to protect the police stations.”

    In 2016, a mob stormed the police station at Damal Hanjipora in south Kashmir and looted police weapons.
    Interesting, i also heard this story of the SPO's having to surrender their service revolvers, ostensibly to prevent any mutiny

    When questioned about the safety of the families of J&K police personnel, a senior police officer from south Kashmir says, “I’ve told my boys that in the event of a mass protest in their villages, their family members should join in instead of sticking out like a sore thumb.”
    hehe

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    heh, let Imran try his tricks at the UN later this month, we're ready : )

    NSA Doval says totally convinced most Kashmiris support abrogation of 370 | TOI | Sept 07 2019

    Press Trust of India | New Delhi
    Last Updated at September 7, 2019 16:23 IST

    National Security Adviser Ajit Doval on Saturday said he is "totally convinced" that a majority of Kashmiris support the abrogation of Article 370, and assured them that restrictions in Kashmir are aimed at preventing Pakistan from creating more mischief through their proxies and militants.

    In a wide-ranging interaction with a select group of journalists, Doval said restrictions have anyway been eased progressively, and only 10 of the 199 police districts in Kashmir, Jammu and Ladakh now still have prohibitory orders, while land-line telephones have been restored 100 per cent in all three areas.

    On the political detentions, he said they are preventive in nature and very much allowed under the law, which means the government is answerable to courts and will have to pay a heavy penalty if it has done anything extra-judicial.

    "I am fully convinced that a majority of Kashmirs totally support the abrogation of Article 370," Doval said. In the removal of Article 370, announced on August 5, "they (Kashmiris) see greater opportunities, a better future, more jobs for youths," he said.

    "There is a vocal minority that opposes it. It appears to people that that is the voice of the people. That is not necessarily true," he told the journalists, comprising Indian and foreign media.

    He said Pakistan is bent on creating trouble in Kashmir, and would very much like to see unrest in the valley, which would add grist to its anti-India propaganda. In a bid to achieve that aim, Pakistan has sent many terrorists into Kashmir with the intent of causing trouble, and to ensure that normalcy is not restored.

    "If anybody is interested in restoring normalcy in Jammu and Kashmir, it is India," he said. "We will not allow people to become victims of Pakistan's machinations and its bullets sent across the border. We will do everything in power to protect the people," he said.

    Questioned about the alleged human rights abuses by the Army, Doval pointed out that it is only the local police and central paramilitary forces that are deployed to maintain law and order. So, there is no question of atrocities by the Army, whose job is only to fight terrorists.

    He said according to intelligence reports some 230 terrorists were recorded in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, some of whom have sneaked across the border to create trouble, which includes intimidating traders and local populace to prevent them from going about their business.

    He cited the case of two Punjabi-speaking terrorists whose conversations with their Pakistani handlers were intercepted in which they were reprimanded for not doing their job properly, and warned that Pakistan would send them bangles if they didn't do something quickly.

    Thereafter, the two men went to the residence of a prominent fruit merchant in Sopore, Hamidullah Rather, to intimidate him on Friday, Not finding him at home, the terrorists shot and injured his 25-year-old son, Mohammad Irshad, in the thigh, and Irshad's 2 1/2-year-old granddaughter Asma Jaan, who is critical, Doval said.

    She will be brought to New Delhi for treatment, he said.

    "Terror is the only instrument Pakistan has to create unrest in Kashmir," he said, adding that normalcy in Kashmir can be restored if "Pakistan starts behaving" and stops "indulging in subversive propaganda."

    Asked what India will do if Pakistan continues with its ways, Doval said "there is a solution to every problem." He did not elaborate.

    Doval justified the restrictions imposed on mobile phone and Internet services, saying they can easily be used by Pakistan and terrorists for subversive activities, but the denial of these services should not prevent people from going about their lives.

    "Even before Internet came into our lives, people were going about their lives doing business," he said, while acknowledging that people are unhappy with these restrictions.

    "In any society, people always want more than what they have. But to us his life is more important," he said adding that 92.5 per cent of the geographical area of Jammu & Kashmir is now without restrictions.

    Reflecting the government thinking, Doval said Article 370 was nothing but a millstone around the necks of Kashmir, and was preventing the people there from having equal rights that other Indians had. For example, the article prevented many laws from being applied to Kashmir, such as right to education, women's rights, minimum wages.

    Article 370 was only a tool of the political class to make money through corruption, he said. "For the common man there was nothing."
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    Interesting idea. They trashed it, we clean it up. See who creates the mess and who fixes it.

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