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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Go get your better. Don't be a Pakistani and expect free booze. :D :D :D
    What is the next best thing to reading what Zameer Akram writes ? listening to him : D : D



    He says Pakistan pulling out of the Simla agreement would be irresponsible

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    Missed this gem by Lord Nazir Ahmed. Lord Ahmed thought this is current news when he tweeted it a week back but it happened nine years back. Maybe he did know but the joke is on him.

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    Canada was under the impression our IB was a terrorist org (!)

    Modi could not get a visa either. The world said we should show restraint

    Oh how times have changed since and now we have Justin : D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    This is the part i'm not sure about.

    How does a challenge to the legitimacy of the PA over Kashmir equate to an unraveling of their control inside Pakistan ? If the PA's hold was this fragile we could have toppled them ages ago. It isn't fragile its quite resilient given the come back after '71. Therefore to term this as existential is an exaggeration. Let's not get too drawn into Pak domestic politics here.

    What's causing heat is the price of bread. In India if onion prices go too high govts fall. In the middle east its the price of bread. Rising bread prices gets people out on the streets on whatever pretext.

    If they are having cabinet meeings to fix the price of chappatis then those are the immediate concerns of the moment.

    Imran took over a nearly bankrupt economy, similar to what Obama had inherited.
    Why does the PA control the media of Pak like a hawk? Nothing can be printed in Pak without the PA's stooges the ISI seeing the draft version first. Why does the PA kill journalists, or anyone who question the PA? Why is the PA killing the peaceful PTM protestors? You need to get involved in domestic politics of Pakistan to understand this.

    There are many Pakistanis who have started questioning the rationale for the PA to nurture jihadis and sending them across the border to India, Afghanistan. Inside Pakistan, outside Pakistan. Many question their motivation for the failed 1965 war. 1971, and PA's genocidal killing of 3 million Bangladeshis and yes, losing the war again. Foolish Kargil intrusion and not even having the decency to take their own soldiers' dead bodies. Many also talk about human rights violations in PoK, GB. So you see some of the Paks have started talking. This will continue.

    Now, if PA starts a conventional war, or uses terrorists to attack India and the casualties are significant. Modi isn't going to hold back the armed forces. If and when this happens, the IA will march into Pak. P5 will scream and shout, and the war will be over. But the IA or this government will not give back the land in PoK/GB captured, back to Pakistan. The bargain will be Lahore for whatever land we capture in PoK/GB. The PA loses face and reputation. What will the opposition in Pak do then? Mind you the feudal lords, such as Sharifs and Bhuttos have a big following there. They will use this chance to get back at the PA. PA will try to engineer their way through, but it won't be easy. Getting the drift. PA's entire survival is based on hatred for a Hindu India, and now, after India abrogated Article 370, 35A, Kashmir has become Pakistan Army's jugular vein. PA is shit scared that India might attack Pak anytime to get back PoK/GB, so they are moving artillery and SSG near the LoC. 6 battalions at every LoC area, is what I heard.

    After 1971, PA understood very well they will never be able to win a war against India, which is why they started using proxies.

    IK has inherited a bankrupt Pakistan because the PA bankrupted Pakistan. Economy was never the main goal for the PA. Whatever Karachi generate inside Pak is the PA's booty. To remain in power, they need support of the illiterate and poor abduls, who are educated in jihadi madrassas. This support will wane if PA loses POK/GB. And IK was selected, he doesn't get to say anything. He parrots his masters voice through tweets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Missed this gem by Lord Nazir Ahmed. Lord Ahmed thought this is current news when he tweeted it a week back but it happened nine years back. Maybe he did know but the joke is on him.

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    Canada was under the impression our IB was a terrorist org (!)

    Modi could not get a visa either. The world said we should show restraint

    Oh how times have changed since and now we have Justin : D
    Nazir is under investigation for having sexual relations with a 13 year old girl. Wonder why most high profile overseas Pakistanis are either terrorist sympathisers or peadophiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Why does the PA control the media of Pak like a hawk? Nothing can be printed in Pak without the PA's stooges the ISI seeing the draft version first. Why does the PA kill journalists, or anyone who question the PA? Why is the PA killing the peaceful PTM protestors? You need to get involved in domestic politics of Pakistan to understand this.
    Fair but they've been doing this before the 370 decision

    There are many Pakistanis who have started questioning the rationale for the PA to nurture jihadis and sending them across the border to India, Afghanistan. Inside Pakistan, outside Pakistan. Many question their motivation for the failed 1965 war. 1971, and PA's genocidal killing of 3 million Bangladeshis and yes, losing the war again. Foolish Kargil intrusion and not even having the decency to take their own soldiers' dead bodies. Many also talk about human rights violations in PoK, GB. So you see some of the Paks have started talking. This will continue.
    I'm noticing this as well, its a good sign but hasn't reached critical mass yet. If the economic woes rise then all bets are off.

    Now, if PA starts a conventional war, or uses terrorists to attack India and the casualties are significant. Modi isn't going to hold back the armed forces. If and when this happens, the IA will march into Pak. P5 will scream and shout, and the war will be over. But the IA or this government will not give back the land in PoK/GB captured, back to Pakistan. The bargain will be Lahore for whatever land we capture in PoK/GB. The PA loses face and reputation. What will the opposition in Pak do then? Mind you the feudal lords, such as Sharifs and Bhuttos have a big following there. They will use this chance to get back at the PA. PA will try to engineer their way through, but it won't be easy. Getting the drift. PA's entire survival is based on hatred for a Hindu India, and now, after India abrogated Article 370, 35A, Kashmir has become Pakistan Army's jugular vein. PA is shit scared that India might attack Pak anytime to get back PoK/GB, so they are moving artillery and SSG near the LoC. 6 battalions at every LoC area, is what I heard.

    After 1971, PA understood very well they will never be able to win a war against India, which is why they started using proxies.
    I was not aware it was to every LoC area. When i read this i figured they are providing a protection force for infiltrators. To ensure we don't do any raids to take them out in PO J&K before they come over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
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    Account hacked?
    He has found a nice way to phrase it there. Does not agree with the govt but its an internal affair nonetheless.

    This is no U turn as the comments suggest. Opposition will have plenty of opportunities as curbs are gradually removed.

    Will we go back to the 90s in terms of resistance. Perhaps not certainly not of the armed variety.

    This time it will be peaceful but their stamina to keep at it will be tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Fair but they've been doing this before the 370 decision
    Why do they control the media? So that the PA can set its own narrative. Why do they not close their madrassas from where only jihadis graduate? They need these jihadis for strategic war, which they themselves cannot win. Why do the PA eat up 1/2 of Pakistan's budget? So that there is very little money left for state institutions in Pakistan to prosper. A prosperous Pakistan is one which is educated and forward looking, the citizens of which questions everyone and anything, including their army. Does the PA want that? No. Why do the PA install a puppet in Pakistan everytime? From Nawaz to Benazir, all were installed by the PA. These are issues that should be thought of, only then can one arrive at a conclusion.

    After Jinnah died, the PA took over everything, not before the abrogation of Article 370.

    I'm noticing this as well, its a good sign but hasn't reached critical mass yet. If the economic woes rise then all bets are off.
    Nothing will happen. Only the middle class are complaining about the economy in Pakistan. What is the percentage of middle class in Pakistan? I don't have a data point on this number, but it'd be miniscule. If you want, I can google, or you can too. Why is the world not complaining about PA's killing of PTM activists, or the Balochis? The US designated the BLA as a terrorist organization recently. What does that tell you? For better or worse, big powers need Pakistan. If and when US leave Afghanistan, they will still need Pakistan to keep a watch over their nukes. An unstable Pakistan is one that suits the PA, and the PA knows this like the back of their hand.

    I was not aware it was to every LoC area. When i read this i figured they are providing a protection force for infiltrators. To ensure we don't do any raids to take them out in PO J&K before they come over.
    #1. Either the PA has a plan to attack India (they'll lose, but this is to show that the PA did something/anything for Kashmiris), so they're moving artillery and battalions near the LoC. OR,
    #2. The PA has sent proxies to create mayhem in Indian metros or Kashmir, and knowing that the Modi government would respond, have placed their assets along the LoC for defensive purposes.

    From all the tweets I read, I know the PA is getting hammered along the LoC. Posts destroyed. Their flags upside down in surrender mode. Etcetera. It's getting interesting. The PA would do something, as they know, US will get involved for a ceasefire as soon as it starts, because of the stalemate in Afghanistan.
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    This is Amit Shah's promise. The outreach has to work and be seen to work if we are to tackle the opposition.

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    Information warfare at its finest. Who is telling the truth..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Information warfare at its finest. Who is telling the truth..
    Obviously, not Pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Obviously, not Pakistan.
    My mistake, i misunderstood the post.

    About that info war

    Fake news, the 21st century insurgency | TOI Blogs | Aug 28 2019

    Now, let us take a look at the role of influence operations in the larger scheme of things. A report published by Lowy Institute, an international policy think tank defines influence operations in the digital age as not merely propaganda with new tools.

    They represent an evolved form of manipulation that presents the actors with endless possibilities, both benign and malignant. With the age of passive information consumption gone, vested interests have taken complete advantage of the ‘participatory propaganda model’. It is nothing but cashing in on the ‘confirmation bias’. As long as ‘conflict’ sells in the global media space and people are starved of the opportunities to question, one can change the narrative in any which way they want using tailored content.

    Imtiyaz Hussain, a highly decorated police officer having carved a professional niche for himself and served on various important assignments involving substantial public interface in the valley has exposed this ‘echo chamber effect’ of biased global reportage (partisan propaganda masquerading as journalism) in a series of tweets.

    A BBC Urdu report while narrating the story of a truck driver, Noor Mohammed Dar, who was brutally killed by the stone pelters in Bijbehara on 25th August, apologetically stated that the pelters ended up killing him as they presumed that security personnel were travelling in the truck.

    In Kashmir, counter-propaganda is carried out by only a few brave and independent voices like him. There is a dire need to bring in these unequivocal and unambiguous voices under one institutional roof to effectively counter Pakistan’s malicious and acrimonious propaganda, who, over the past few years has acquired great skills on the fifth-generation warfare using frustrated non-state warriors against nation-states. Our efforts have to be quick and concerted as the battle is waged on perceived credibility and not so much about seeking the truth.
    That truck driver lynching is similar to the pehlu khan case. One driver gets lynched on suspicion of cow smuggling where in reality he bought the cows and the other for transporting security personnel.

    Must read -- People engage differently when they are themselves participants in the narrative
    Paradigm shift: Understanding propaganda in the digital age | Lowy | Apr 30 2019

    IOs are rarely about changing what people believe. They are instead about confirming what people already believe.

    This requires little of the sophistication of analogue PsyOps. In contrast, it involves flooding people with confirmation bias for a
    given belief – and starving them of opportunities to question and doubt other beliefs
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    For 16 hrs, WAB was down, server issues, server busy. India and Pakistan are going to nuke each other and WAB remains shut down. WTH? Good. Took time for a break. :D
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