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Originally posted by surfgun View PostWell if you are not willing to put in 8 hours perhaps your slacker son, nephew or Down’s syndrome kid will. It is not your country’s obligation to provide opportunities to another nations refugees.
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Originally posted by zraver View PostWas talking about the Great Wall. When it was properly manned and supported it worked.
Are you also aware that 58% of those illegals have been here more than 10 years. That 31% own homes and 33% having US born children. You going to send ICE agents into communities to rip them out? ICE just raided 98 7-Eleven stores across the country and netted 21 illegals. I wonder what the cost per arrest was for that operation. Ever read the Economist? Apparently George Will does. I actually love that guy as being one of the few truly rational conservatives in this country. He argues in a sane manner and with his facts down. His repeat of the the Economist, on the effects of 9/11 on the immigration debate noted " a mass murder committed by mostly Saudi terrorists resulted in almost unlimited money being made available for the deportation of Mexican house-painters." LOL! I'll have to thank him for including that is his Sunday column.
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Originally posted by zraver View PostWas talking about the Great Wall. When it was properly manned and supported it worked.
The fall of the Roman empire is conventionally dated to 476AD, and the start of the decline is often attributed to the war with the Goths (376-82AD).
The Northern Wei dynasty united the North China plains in 439AD, 37 years before Rome fell.
Most of the Great Wall was built during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), 1,162 years after the fall of Rome. That would be the time when it was "properly manned and supported."Trust me?
I'm an economist!
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Illegal immigration has died down, but public sentiment is a bit of a lagging indicator. You don't notice that your nation is suddenly more Hispanic after 1 year of 1 million illegals, you notice it after 20 years of 1 million illegals.
I'm not particularly concerned about the shutdown. It'll eventually end with the framework already established. I think it's stupid to shut it down over DACA, but, meh, shit happens."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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It ended:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1FB0ID
Apparently this was a "stand on principle" timed to end at the start of the work week. =D
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for now...until 8 February, when this starts up again.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostIllegal immigration has died down, but public sentiment is a bit of a lagging indicator. You don't notice that your nation is suddenly more Hispanic after 1 year of 1 million illegals, you notice it after 20 years of 1 million illegals.Last edited by Ironduke; 22 Jan 18,, 23:27."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by zraver View PostHow did those jobs get done before? In industries the illegals have moved into, wages have collapsed.
I worked one summer detasseling corn in Minnesota when I was 15. There weren't enough American kids to do the work, and a separate crew of Mexican labor made up the balance."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostIt's not as if this sentiment is recent, or the result of something just noticed, it has existed with regards to immigration, illegal or otherwise, on the southern border since the 1930s, beginning with the deportation of up to 2 million Mexicans during the Great Depression."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostYeah, but this issue has become a lot more polarized since the 2006 deal fell apart. I don't think it's entirely normal to have THIS level of polarization on it. I also don't think any other Presidents made it THE focal point of their campaign."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostAs far as agricultural work goes, Mexican labor has figured heavily into the picture for over a century. We were so short on agricultural labor that we had the Bracero program from the 1940s through the 60s. Which in itself was a formalization of ad hoc practices that existed from decades earlier. There have been millions of Mexicans doing agricultural labor in the US, in any given year, stretching back a century, because of labor shortages.
I worked one summer detasseling corn in Minnesota when I was 15. There weren't enough American kids to do the work, and a separate crew of Mexican labor made up the balance.Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.
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For zraver. We are not being attacked by an army. What we have is a few here and a dozen there sneaking in on a constant basis. We have the technology to know when and where this is happening. All we need to do is slow them down so the border patrol has time to stop them before they are 10 miles north of the border. A good wall is perfect for that.Last edited by bonehead; 23 Jan 18,, 02:42.Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.
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Originally posted by DOR View PostThe ignorance is deep in this one.
The fall of the Roman empire is conventionally dated to 476AD, and the start of the decline is often attributed to the war with the Goths (376-82AD).
The Northern Wei dynasty united the North China plains in 439AD, 37 years before Rome fell.
Most of the Great Wall was built during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), 1,162 years after the fall of Rome. That would be the time when it was "properly manned and supported."
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