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Last edited by snapper; 23 May 18,, 21:53.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostNo Sir the Senate did not "elect Pompey" (Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus being the man and Pompeii being the town) it appointed him as their General to defend the Republik after Caesar broke the law by crossing the Rubicon with his legions while Consul. The Senate never elected Consuls though Senators could vote. The election of Consuls was open to all citizens and not the Senate alone. Some political posts were for the Senate to appoint such pro - Consuls or regional Governors. The Tribunes, the one official post Augustus held after becoming 'Emperor', were also elected by 'plebeians' not the Senate.
As such, Pompei was not eligible since he had legions and a governorship that has yet to be finished. And let's be very clear about this. Caeser was not a criminal until his term of governorship in Gaul was up. Pompei already had his legions in Italy on his dime to vote for him. So to accuse Caesar of a crime is to ignore Pompei's criminal actions.
Get off that schtick. It has nothing to do with Trump who was legally elected and not through by hook or by crook.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostOh please. Then, more so than now, those with money determined the election. Bribes were flowing left, right, and centre. The Senate determined who was elected.
Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostAs such, Pompei was not eligible since he had legions and a governorship that has yet to be finished. And let's be very clear about this. Caeser was not a criminal until his term of governorship in Gaul was up. Pompei already had his legions in Italy on his dime to vote for him. So to accuse Caesar of a crime is to ignore Pompei's criminal actions.
Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostGet off that schtick. It has nothing to do with Trump who was legally elected and not through by hook or by crook.
If you wish to continue this historical debate regarding Roman history and the downfall of the Republic I would be happy to do so in the History threads.
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What I was trying to point out was the dangers inherent in one partisan political side using the system of justice against another; that Justice - to remain true justice must be impartial and not the tool of some political manoeuvre by any side such as was possible in old Rome and led to the downfall of the Republic there.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by snapper View PostWhat I was trying to point out was the dangers inherent in one partisan political side using the system of justice against another; that Justice - to remain true justice must be impartial and not the tool of some political manoeuvre by any side such as was possible in old Rome and led to the downfall of the Republic there. Not your 'what was Pompey doing when appointed General nonsense'. He sure as hell was not "elected" Consul by the Senate.
Originally posted by snapper View PostIf you wish to continue this historical debate regarding Roman history and the downfall of the Republic I would be happy to do so in the History threads.Chimo
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The point about justice was that private citizens were given free reign to bring criminal charges in the Roman Republic - thus Caesar felt forced to cross the Rubicon because he was facing charges as soon as the coming end of his Consulship came (Consuls being immune during their 2yr time of service). Thus in the modern world we put justice above partisan factions for the benefit of all and for Trumpkin to "demand" an investigation into an ongoing investigation regarding him threatens that principle. It is called jurisprudence I think.
You know Colonel, with the most respect, I am bored of answering your insults and other distortions. God save you.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostThe point about justice was that private citizens were given free reign to bring criminal charges in the Roman Republic - thus Caesar felt forced to cross the Rubicon because he was facing charges as soon as the coming end of his Consulship came (Consuls being immune during their 2yr time of service).
Originally posted by snapper View PostThus in the modern world we put justice above partisan factions for the benefit of all and for Trumpkin to "demand" an investigation into an ongoing investigation regarding him threatens that principle. It is called jurisprudence I think.
Originally posted by snapper View PostYou know Colonel, with the most respect, I am bored of answering your insults and other distortions. God save you.Chimo
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Solomon Lartey was a records management analyst earning $65,969 a year.
And for the first five months of the Trump Administration, his job was to reassemble torn documents with clear Scotch tape.
It turns out that Trump is in the habit of tearing up documents once he’s done with them — his unofficial “filing system.”
The only problem is that, per the Presidential Records Act, the White House must preserve these documents and send them to the National Archives.
Politico, via fivethirtyeight.comTrust me?
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“I have to start by saying I am a big fan, a very big fan of the United Nations and all it stand for.”
--Donald J. Trump, July 21, 2005 testimony before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information and International Security.Trust me?
I'm an economist!
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"Womp, womp."
My sister-in-law has Downs Syndrome, so this doesn’t get brushed aside as merely poor taste.
Furious backlash as ex-Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski says 'WOMP, WOMP' about 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome getting separated from her mother at the border
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rated-mom.html
My sister-in-law has Downs Syndrome, so this doesn’t get brushed aside as merely poor taste.
Anyone who wants to defend these hate-filled piles of garbage and the people they identify with has to know the answer to these questions:
- When do the so-called Christians break with The Trumpet over his treatment of children?
- When does common decency and simple Christian morality kick in and force these holier-than-thou types to take a stand?
- Can anyone support this abomination and still pretend to believe in the teachings of Jesus?
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A federal court decision in Kansas has shredded the extravagant claims of Chris Kobach & some of the most prominent proponents of the idea that non-citizens are voting in large numbers:
Judge Robinson found that at most 39 noncitizens successfully registered to vote between 1999 and 2013, when the new law went into effect. “While there is evidence of a small number of noncitizen registrations in Kansas, it is largely explained by administrative error, confusion or mistake,” Judge Robinson concluded, adding that Mr. Kobach “insists that these numbers are ‘just the tip of the iceberg.’ This trial was his opportunity to produce credible evidence of that iceberg, but he failed to do so.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/o...e=sectionfrontsigpic
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Originally posted by DOR View PostMy sister-in-law has Downs Syndrome, so this doesn’t get brushed aside as merely poor taste.
Furious backlash as ex-Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski says 'WOMP, WOMP' about 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome getting separated from her mother at the border
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rated-mom.html
My sister-in-law has Downs Syndrome, so this doesn’t get brushed aside as merely poor taste.
Anyone who wants to defend these hate-filled piles of garbage and the people they identify with has to know the answer to these questions:
- When do the so-called Christians break with The Trumpet over his treatment of children?
- When does common decency and simple Christian morality kick in and force these holier-than-thou types to take a stand?
- Can anyone support this abomination and still pretend to believe in the teachings of Jesus?
Just letting in every family with kids claiming asylum isn't a solution.
Bigger problem:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.f4a2ae51a8cd
The White House said many released minors — nearly 70 percent of whom are teenage boys — have not shown up for their deportation hearings.
What is your alternative?"The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by DOR View Post- When do the so-called Christians break with The Trumpet over his treatment of children?
- When does common decency and simple Christian morality kick in and force these holier-than-thou types to take a stand?
- Can anyone support this abomination and still pretend to believe in the teachings of Jesus?
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Some background on the 2015 era family seperations.
https://www.theblaze.com/video/an-im...e-was-chilling
Mr. Beck even delivered truck loads of toys and soccer balls to these facilities during the past administration.Last edited by surfgun; 20 Jun 18,, 22:08.
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Originally posted by surfgun View PostSome background on the 2015 era family seperations.
https://www.theblaze.com/video/an-im...e-was-chilling
Mr. Beck even delivered truck loads of toys and soccer balls to these facilities during the past administration.
I also went down the 'Blaze' rabbit hole, reading articles from 2014 & going through the various links. I can't find a single reference to family separation. Lots and lots of references to unaccompanied minors, but not family separation. I would have thought Beck would have brought it up at the time.sigpic
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