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    I see that Trump has made the cover of his off and on favorite magazine, Time. He should really love this one after he calms down from his ballistic tweets sure to come.

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    This is how civilized people think about this administration.

    How Trumpís Policy Change Led Migrant Children to Be Separated From Their Parents
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eparation.html

    Migrant families separated: This was a very ugly week in America

    https://news.sky.com/story/migrant-f...erica-11411619

    These are the distant states where migrant children are being sent
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/21/u...ren/index.html

    New York mayor 'shocked' that migrant children as young as nine months secretly sent to his city
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nths-secretly/

    Airlines to Trump administration: Don't fly migrant children separated from their families on our planes
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/airl...on-planes.html

    Hundreds flock to New York Cityís LaGuardia to greet migrant children flown in from the border
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5ac8a9ac5ca2

    It gets worse.
    Much worse.


    Reports have spread that shelter workers canít comfort migrant children. Rules arenít that simple.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3b3b39b2d309

    Migrant Children Separated From Parents at Border Were Forcibly Drugged: Lawsuit
    http://www.newsweek.com/migrant-chil...lawsuit-988069

    Separated Migrant Children Face Lasting Psychological Trauma
    https://www.livescience.com/62874-ps...-children.html

    The health impact of separating migrant children from parents
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44528900

    The places the government sends migrant children face allegations of abuse
    Lawsuits allege that children and teens were beaten and handcuffed in Virginia and forcibly drugged in Texas.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/174881...children-abuse

    The right of rebuttle:


    Sessions: Migrant children facilities not like Nazi Germany because 'they were keeping the Jews from leaving'

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/19/p...ion/index.html
    Trust me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    GVChamp,

    It isn’t binary; saying that the status quo isn’t acceptable in response to my comment about the way children are being treated by this administration is at best a distraction and more likely a deliberate effort to muddy the waters.

    No, it isn’t the case that ‘everyone did it.’
    No, it isn’t as if ‘all politicians lie.’
    No, Trump isn’t the fifth or seventh worst president in history.
    No, the previous administration didn’t separate families the way this one has.
    No, no one is suggesting ‘just letting in every family with kids claiming asylum’ is the solution.
    No, the alternative to the way this administration has been treating children isn’t open borders.
    No, it isn’t necessary for me – or anyone – to have a solution.
    What is necessary is for anyone who claims to be a Christian, or a Republican, to speak up against this atrocity.

    What’s your excuse?

    = = = = =

    Snapper,
    No, I am not religiously inclined and by the way that has zero to do with the issue.
    Read what I wrote.

    = = = = =


    Surfgun,
    We already have a thread on the horrors of fake news.
    What's your excuse?
    I don't agree with either of the above. You absolutely can criticize a policy, but you should probably understand how we arrived at this point and what the potential steps forward are before simpy castigating blame on everything you don't like. All societies have dirty parts and ugly compromises, and that's probably going to be with us until we reach utopia.

    The Democratic solution isn't open borders explicitly, but it is effectively open borders. If you cross the border as a family, they do not believe you should be detained. If you choose not to show up to your deportation hearing, they do not believe you should be pursued (unless you commit another crime). If you are an illegal immigrant, they largely believe that local and state governments have the burden of educating you and providing for your basic needs and allowing you to run your life as if you were legal, say by issuing you a driver's license (even if the federal government has no direct obligation).

    You either have to detain families or let them in the country. If you let them in the country and they don't show up to their hearings, you have to find them. If you do neither detain them nor make an effort to find them, you are a de facto open borders advocate. If you claim every immigration enforcement mechanism is oppression because it looks ugly to you, you are a de facto open borders advocate, even if you don't actually believe in de jure open borders. It's like saying you think murder shouldn't be a crime, but we shouldn't bother ourselves with tracking down murderers because it isn't worth the time.
    Last edited by GVChamp; 21 Jun 18, at 19:04.
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