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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Allow me to do a modified "Carnac the Magnificent" impression:

    The FBI was investigating, correctly, any connections of the campaign to foreign governments.
    And, it turns out that 4 persons (and counting) in the campaign had connections to a foreign government.

    Trump is like one of those Mafioso bosses that screams about how the government had no right to "spy" on his illegal operations.

    Hey Donald: Get fucked you worthless piece of shit.
    He did, it cost him $130k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher View Post
    Moving on to lighter news:

    That arshloch extraordinaire Don Blakenship is threatening a third party run for the WV Senate seat, probably breaking the "sore loser" law (though apparently West Virginia's sore loser law is badly worded enough that Blakenship could run on a technicality).

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...es-senate-seat

    Now I love see Mitch McConnell squirm much as the next guy, and am a partisan Democrat to boot, but I'd rather have Blakenship not run as the Constitution candidate because of how vile the man is (though even if the sore loser rule held, I wouldn't put it past him to run some sort of write in campaign anyways).
    If he ran would that pretty much guarantee the Dems get the seat? Surely it would split the GOP vote and suck money away from their candidate. It would certainly be a godsend to the Dems, who were desperately hoping he would run. As you say, he is an especially vile candidate, even by 2018 GOP standards. Hard to imagine there might be someone who would make a child molester like Roy Moore look good.

    I sort of hope he does run. The GOP should pay a price for attracting and defending filth like this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    He did, it cost him $130k
    I wonder how much it'll cost us in the long run after he's done fucking us over too.
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    Sooner he is gone the less the cost.

    I personally think this investigation into a investigation about himself that he has "demanded" that the Justice Department undertake is grounds for impeachment in itself. You do not have the right to interfere in work of those engaged in upholding the law or instruct them what cases to work on or the law ceases to be impartial and non partisan and true justice is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Sooner he is gone the less the cost.

    I personally think this investigation into a investigation about himself that he has "demanded" that the Justice Department undertake is grounds for impeachment in itself. You do not have the right to interfere in work of those engaged in upholding the law or instruct them what cases to work on or the law ceases to be impartial and non partisan and true justice is lost.
    There was a program on this. Technically, he does have the power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    wooglin,



    i'm really not sure how you differentiate between "short term" and "long term" gains in politics, and why you think that Dems aren't running on something more than 'we're not Trump'.

    i don't think that's how Doug Jones won Alabama, for instance.

    in any case, i'll take short-term gains for now. i think it's pretty clear now that 2018 will be a slaughterhouse for the GOP. 2020 probably too, because the probability is against the bullish economy holding out that long. (probably shorter, if Trump's trade wars get going.)

    long-term, i'm looking forward to that minority-majority nation and the Millennial 2:1 Dem-GOP lean to resolve that problem.
    Oh dear...

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1I10YH


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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    There was a program on this. Technically, he does have the power.
    A 'program' is an opinion I think rather than a legally enforceable court ruling. This is a vital point in my view. It is where the Roman Republic fell down. In old Rome private citizens (ie political adversaries) could start criminal cases; they did against Caesar, he therefore felt forced to break the law by crossing the Rubicon with his troops and ultimately the Republic ended. Justice is supposed to be 'blind' as in above partisan politics precisely to avoid the problems that haunted the late Roman Republic. If it is not partisan civil war and 'salvation' by tyranny follows.

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    :shrug: if an online poll surveying attitudes over two years that still demonstrates millennials supporting Dems over GOP 46-28 instead of 55-27 is the crux of your argument...:-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    :shrug: if an online poll surveying attitudes over two years that still demonstrates millennials supporting Dems over GOP 46-28 instead of 55-27 is the crux of your argument...:-)
    Well I would have elaborated but it's not like you're going to address anything I actually say. So the articles should suffice to demonstrate you still have your head in the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    A 'program' is an opinion I think rather than a legally enforceable court ruling. This is a vital point in my view. It is where the Roman Republic fell down. In old Rome private citizens (ie political adversaries) could start criminal cases; they did against Caesar, he therefore felt forced to break the law by crossing the Rubicon with his troops and ultimately the Republic ended. Justice is supposed to be 'blind' as in above partisan politics precisely to avoid the problems that haunted the late Roman Republic. If it is not partisan civil war and 'salvation' by tyranny follows.
    Will you get off the Caeser schtick. The Senate broke the law by electing Pompei who was not legally elligible. Pompei also used thugs to scare opposing Senators. You don't know the history like you pretend you do.

    No court has yet to say Trump can't do what he wants to do. Until then, he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    :shrug: if an online poll surveying attitudes over two years that still demonstrates millennials supporting Dems over GOP 46-28 instead of 55-27 is the crux of your argument...:-)
    The GOP only moved up a point between those two polls, but the Democrats moved down 9. I'm going to guess those 9 points are the result of flakey millennials flirting with the Green Party, Libertarian Party, Bernie Sanders socialism, Ron Paul-type stuff, etc.

    Not that there's anything wrong with being flakey. If a third party has good ideas and the Dems or GOP risk losing elections as a result, they are essentially forced to adopt some of the policies of the third parties.

    I myself cast my votes for the Independence Party of Minnesota in 2006, and currently hold no partisan affiliation, nor do I foresee doing so in the future.

    Politics and elections are just a pendulum to me anyways, and while right now that pendulum is swinging to and fro on every axis like a tire swing in a playground, it'll go back to being a pendulum again.
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    The GOP only moved up a point between those two polls, but the Democrats moved down 9. I'm going to guess those 9 points are the result of flakey millennials flirting with the Green Party, Libertarian Party, Bernie Sanders socialism, Ron Paul-type stuff, etc.
    that and also, it's not an election year. young people typically have the lowest levels of political participation during midterms anyway, although this MAY change for the current cycle.

    and even more to the point, it's one (1) online poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    that and also, it's not an election year. young people typically have the lowest levels of political participation during midterms anyway, although this MAY change for the current cycle.

    and even more to the point, it's one (1) online poll.
    Ah, I hadn't even bothered to check. Online polls are pretty much worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Will you get off the Caeser schtick. The Senate broke the law by electing Pompei who was not legally elligible. Pompei also used thugs to scare opposing Senators. You don't know the history like you pretend you do.

    No court has yet to say Trump can't do what he wants to do. Until then, he does.
    No Sir the Senate did not "elect Pompey" (Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus being the man and Pompeii being the town) it appointed him as their General to defend the Republik after Caesar broke the law by crossing the Rubicon with his legions while Consul. The Senate never elected Consuls though Senators could vote. The election of Consuls was open to all citizens and not the Senate alone. Some political posts were for the Senate to appoint such pro - Consuls or regional Governors. The Tribunes, the one official post Augustus held after becoming 'Emperor', were also elected by 'plebeians' not the Senate.
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