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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    seriously, the argument is now:

    "well Trump is bad, but he's a man of his times, plus he's a 4-D strategic chessmaster, and his family and friends love him, so it's OK."

    that's a lot of kool-aid you've been drinking.
    Trump isn't a 4D chess player Asty. A lot of what he does can be done much better. The real problem is he's the only one actually trying to play chess, where as the policy prescriptions from the Dems have been so dumb, it's like they are trying to play 1D checkers.

    In elections we are voting for A or B.

    Do we go for some one who tries to play chess, and course corrects as he goes or someone resolutely bent on checkers, marching one step at a time to terminal stupidity?

    In normal times the country might say: "I like checkers better because at least it's predictable."

    Problem is, rightly or wrongly, many now feel the country is facing deep problems and crises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    I love how Bigfella and Antimony's definitions of "summarizing" seem to match so well with normal definitions of slandering.

    This goes to illustrate almost perfectly the way certain self styles "progressives" have used the twisting of words and character assassination to try to "win" debates on social issues without engaging in rational discourse.

    The same set of people are now in a headlong rush to erase the distinction between sexual harassment and sexual assault never mind the profound potential negative consequences for society.

    In this and many other things the political left has become rather impulsive, almost adolescent in behavior. Policy proposals, in the rare instances where they exist, seem to be of the one dimensional, instinct driven, single neuron firing type.

    Progressive "news" outlets seem less interested in putting out important news than putting T&A on screen. How many times an hour does CNN currently feature Stormy Daniels? Im sure theyd put up a full porno staring her if they could find a way to link it to trump. She should be suing them for royalties instead of Trump.
    Excuse me? Are you accusing other posters of 'impulsive, almost adolescent behavior'? Really want to go down that path? You are basically a poster boy for the 'adolescent right'. Oppositional defiance disorder as political ideology. You rant on the borderline of coherence, excuse any Trump behavior and proclaim him a genius, then accuse others of your own failings. All the worst things you see in others are looking back at you every morning. Talk about projection.

    You made a big fuss about a Democrat resigning over claims of sexual assault, then you put up a lengthy post attacking the women who accused Trump. You don't see it, do you? You have drunk so much of the kool aid that you actually think it is OK to attack women who claim to be victims because they accused Trump. You have basically created a category of sexual offence that gives Trump a permanent pass. Then you jump up & down about 'hypocrisy'.

    If I still had the ability to be disgusted by the lengths Trump supporters will go to then I would be disgusted. As it is I'm just sad that your nation has sunk to such lows that this sort of sickness is considered acceptable behavior.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hboGYT View Post
    What if he changed the equation on the right to sexual assault victims = don't matter enough?

    First past the post system suck arse.
    That problem is he's entirely misrepresenting it:

    1: in Trump's case it was sexual harassment not secual assault. Some people now want to erase the distinction between sexual harassment and sexual assault and they are trying to use the sympathy that everybody feels for sexual assault victims to manipulate the rest of society into going along the definition change. This is a deeply cynical tactic.

    The problem is that erasing the distinction can cause profound negative consequences for society. When skeptics point this out and point out the crassness of their tactics, the proponents are quick to resort to personal attacks and character assassination.

    2. The choice isn't between Trump or the sexual harassment victims. The choice is between two directions for the country represented by two candidates with deep personal flaws.

    You wouldn't have "won" for sexual harassment or sexual assault victims by choosing Hillary Clinton. She has spent the last four decades of her life supporting, enabling or utilizing Bill Clinton. Lest we forget:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill...ct_allegations

    These are credible stories of outright rapes, some committed under color of authority. Hillary Clinton excoriated some of these women in public to preserve the power and influence of her family. Meanwhile, there are other highly troubling suggestions of corruption:

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...105-story.html

    She and Bill Clinton made $150 million in "speeches" from the end of the Clinton presidency to the start of her second candidacy.

    So, the idea that we were choosing between Trump or sexual assault or even sexual harassment victims is another cynical fairy tale. The choice back then was between Trump or Clinton. The choice now is between a functioning government or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Excuse me? Are you accusing other posters of 'impulsive, almost adolescent behavior'? Really want to go down that path? You are basically a poster boy for the 'adolescent right'.

    ROFL. I said "the political left".

    I love how you repeatedly try to misrepresent and personalize.

    I'd say you're further exposing your own cynical tactics but I think long time posters here are pretty familiar with them already.

    Your lies aren't worth the bandwidth my phone used to download them. They really are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    ROFL. I said "the political left".

    I love how you repeatedly try to misrepresent and personalize.

    I'd say you're further exposing your own cynical tactics but I think long time posters here are pretty familiar with them already.

    Your lies aren't worth the bandwidth my phone used to download them. They really are not.
    You really must think we are stupid. You single out people here and then claim 'Oh, i didn't mean anyone here'. Sure. We all believe you.

    As for wasting bandwidth, I'm not the one excusing sexual assault because I like the person who is assaulting women. Dance all you want, that is what you are doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    ROFL. I said "the political left".

    I love how you repeatedly try to misrepresent and personalize.

    I'd say you're further exposing your own cynical tactics but I think long time posters here are pretty familiar with them already.

    Your lies aren't worth the bandwidth my phone used to download them. They really are not.
    Yeah that's some of the biggest weaseling that I've seen in a long time. *rolling my eyes*
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Yeah that's some of the biggest weaseling that I've seen in a long time. *rolling my eyes*
    It has become epidemic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Yeah that's some of the biggest weaseling that I've seen in a long time. *rolling my eyes*
    It’s rather some of the last decorum left.Rather than calling the other side imbeciles and stop talking like the rest of the country is doing.
    Is an individual reaction that means zero to the big picture.As a whole you’re hating each other .
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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    I love how Bigfella and Antimony's definitions of "summarizing" seem to match so well with normal definitions of slandering.

    This goes to illustrate almost perfectly the way certain self styles "progressives" have used the twisting of words and character assassination to try to "win" debates on social issues without engaging in rational discourse.

    The same set of people are now in a headlong rush to erase the distinction between sexual harassment and sexual assault never mind the profound potential negative consequences for society.
    Its 2018, time to stop bing watching "Mad Men"

    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    In this and many other things the political left has become rather impulsive, almost adolescent in behavior. Policy proposals, in the rare instances where they exist, seem to be of the one dimensional, instinct driven, single neuron firing type.

    Progressive "news" outlets seem less interested in putting out important news than putting T&A on screen. How many times an hour does CNN currently feature Stormy Daniels? Im sure theyd put up a full porno staring her if they could find a way to link it to trump. She should be suing them for royalties instead of Trump.

    Then we got more serious stuff:

    On Russia:

    Some Democrats: omg they hacked our elections. Let's incapacitate our own government with endless investigations! And then, we'll really get them by calling them NAMES! That will show Putin!
    How excatly is government being incapacitated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    How dirty is shale? The water used to extract shale oil isn't going to be used for anything else.

    There is no such thing as production without pollution. They go hand-in-hand. All people are doing is shifting pollution around and concentrating it at points. Coal is an available energy source. While right now, natural gas and oil is economically more feasible at the moment does not mean it will remain so in the future. Energy independence means that you have to take ALL sources into consideration when planning for your energy needs.

    What's more, just because the Administration is relaxing regulations does not mean we will have coal plants cropping up. If it is not econimcally feasible, no one is going to build coal burning plants. However, it is a means to avoid being held hostage by other energy producing countries.

    We should continue research into coal burning; to make it as efficient as possible ... and then sell that technology to China and India.
    Yeah, good luck with that. India has started decommissioning coal as renewables have become cheaper
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    We could at least sell them the technology to get rid of the smog. The CO2 solution would come later.
    How exactly would opening coal plants help with smog technology research? How are the two related?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Yeah, good luck with that. India has started decommissioning coal as renewables have become cheaper
    Until coal becomes cheaper again. Renewables ain't cheap. The upfront and maintenance costs surpasses those of carbon based fuels. Plus, you still need oil to manufacture the equipment, especially smelting and plastics. No solar panel nor windmill is going to give you the heat needed for metalurgy.

    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    How exactly would opening coal plants help with smog technology research? How are the two related?
    The smog technology is already here. The CO2 part (which I think its damage to the environment is a bunch of horse puckey) needs real world conditions to test out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Until coal becomes cheaper again. Renewables ain't cheap. The upfront and maintenance costs surpasses those of carbon based fuels. Plus, you still need oil to manufacture the equipment, especially smelting and plastics. No solar panel nor windmill is going to give you the heat needed for metalurgy.
    When I was a corporate banker, one of the companies in my portfolio was a power generation company, nearly driven to bankruptcy by fluctuating coal prices while meter prices were held steady by government regulation. The writing is clear, coal plants are struggling.

    Meanwhile, renewables continue to become better as conversion efficiency and storage & distribution solutions become better.

    Also, why are you building this strawman of metallurgy? Whoever said that solar power is being used for metallurgy?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyi.../#634e2b4a4c0f

    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    The smog technology is already here. The CO2 part (which I think its damage to the environment is a bunch of horse puckey) needs real world conditions to test out.
    Yes, great. My question again, what does that have to do with opening coal plants?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    When I was a corporate banker, one of the companies in my portfolio was a power generation company, nearly driven to bankruptcy by fluctuating coal prices while meter prices were held steady by government regulation. The writing is clear, coal plants are struggling.

    Meanwhile, renewables continue to become better as conversion efficiency and storage & distribution solutions become better.

    Also, why are you building this strawman of mettulurgy? Whoever said that solar power is beng

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyi.../#634e2b4a4c0f
    As you like to say, have you factored in the environmental cost? I already see the horse puckey in that article. Batteries. They are neither cheap, long lasting enough, nor environmentally friendly to disposed of.

    And no solar panel nor wind is going to power a blast furnance needed for steel. Without steel, all your industries come to a screeching halt. You're the one touting the renewable god without looking at the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Yes, great. My question again, what does that have to do with opening coal plants?
    The idea now is to extract the CO2 and pump it into exhausted natural gas fields. Great in theory but in the real world, you need to know how much leakage is going to happen. None of this has been tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    It’s rather some of the last decorum left.Rather than calling the other side imbeciles and stop talking like the rest of the country is doing.
    Is an individual reaction that means zero to the big picture.As a whole you’re hating each other .
    It starts when one side claims that the other side s not made of real Americans
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