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    President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.
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    A cry of frustration ?

    He can't do anything about it

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    Why should illiterate people from corrupt, poverty, disease and war ridden countries who will spend the rest of their lives on welfare be prioritized above those who would add to the national wealth and prosperity? It is a legit question. 20 trillion in debt, stagnant social welfare spending low end wages that haven't kept pace with inflation. Adding more unskilled labor doesn't help anyone here. Government's compact is with its citizens first and foremost.

    Double Edge, actually he can and did. Some in Congress are trying to reverse his decision via rewriting the law. If that is what Congress decides, he's stuck since he said he would sign any bill that also had the 4 pillars. However, its a legit question.

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    Hearsay gossip, with no proof that he actually said it.
    WH is not denying it, which is as good as confirmation that he said it.

    z,

    Why should illiterate people from corrupt, poverty, disease and war ridden countries who will spend the rest of their lives on welfare be prioritized above those who would add to the national wealth and prosperity? It is a legit question. 20 trillion in debt, stagnant social welfare spending low end wages that haven't kept pace with inflation. Adding more unskilled labor doesn't help anyone here. Government's compact is with its citizens first and foremost.
    funny how this is the EXACT argument used by people to ban Chinese immigration in the 1880s and later reduce any non-Western Europe immigration in the 1920s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post

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    funny how this is the EXACT argument used by people to ban Chinese immigration in the 1880s and later reduce any non-Western Europe immigration in the 1920s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

    nothing is new under the sun.
    We had welfare in the 1880' and 1920's ?

    I made no reference to color or race. Lots of non-white countries with oodles of people who would be an asset to the country. If your reason for moving to America is to suck at the public teat, you are not an asset.

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    I made no reference to color or race. Lots of non-white countries with oodles of people who would be an asset to the country. If your reason for moving to America is to suck at the public teat, you are not an asset.
    plenty of the immigration exclusion arguments didn't, either, focusing on the "illiterate people from corrupt, poverty, disease and war ridden countries" part. people didn't NEED to hate on Irish or Chinese or Polish or Italian immigration because they were outright racists (although usually they were)-- they could easily state truthfully that those immigrants just came from sh*thole countries ready to take jobs from good hard-working Americans.

    all in the noble defense of American labor, too. you know, adding more unskilled labor doesn't help anyone here.

    and wonder why Trump picked Norway, strange, innit?

    having said all this, I am fully aware that a country can pick and choose whom it wishes to accept. however, the US was and is largely powered by immigration from sh*thole countries, because the beating heart of US idealism is the idea that all men are created equal and that anyone can achieve the American dream.

    great job going from "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." to
    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    We had welfare in the 1880' and 1920's ?
    The Homestead Act was a welfare program, in an age when 60% of people were farmers, poverty among them was rife, and land was the primary form of wealth.

    Federal programs giving pensions to veteran and their dependents from the Civil War onward was more about poverty relief than anything else.

    Virtually all immigrants in major industrial cities in the mid-to-late 1800s received some sort of welfare (food, rent money, coal) from the political machines of the day. They started getting it the moment they stepped off the boat.

    40 states passed laws between 1900 and 1920 establishing mother's pensions for those without a husband's income.

    So yes, there was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Why should illiterate people from corrupt, poverty, disease and war ridden countries who will spend the rest of their lives on welfare be prioritized above those who would add to the national wealth and prosperity? It is a legit question. 20 trillion in debt, stagnant social welfare spending low end wages that haven't kept pace with inflation. Adding more unskilled labor doesn't help anyone here. Government's compact is with its citizens first and foremost.

    Double Edge, actually he can and did. Some in Congress are trying to reverse his decision via rewriting the law. If that is what Congress decides, he's stuck since he said he would sign any bill that also had the 4 pillars. However, its a legit question.
    It takes a special kind of bigotry to imply that anyone who happens to come from say, Haiti, must simply because he or she comes from that country be expected to spend the rest of his or her life on welfare.

    As opposed to say, Jean-Claude Brizard, the former CEO of Chicago Public Schools, Mona Scott, the CEO of Monami Entertainment, actress Garcelle Beauvais or WWII fighter pilot Alix Pasquet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    It takes a special kind of bigotry to imply that anyone who happens to come from say, Haiti, must – simply because he or she comes from that country – be expected to spend the rest of his or her life on welfare.

    As opposed to say, Jean-Claude Brizard, the former CEO of Chicago Public Schools, Mona Scott, the CEO of Monami Entertainment, actress Garcelle Beauvais or WWII fighter pilot Alix Pasquet.
    Alix Pasquet, was an upper class Haitian all his life, not a immigrant. But I don't expect you to fact check, you are far more interested in labeling and scoring points than answering the question posed. Why should we priortize immigrants who come here with skills ready made to jump into the economy? Haiti has a literacy rate of 61%, 53% for measles vaccinations and a per capita income of $790 a year and no grounding in a functioning civil society. So while some upper crust Haitian may indeed blend right in odds are most wont. The Somalis damn sure didn't by and large. We took them in and they became a jihad factory. Several arrivals from the stans have now engaged in domestic terrorism as well. The government's job is to secure the liberty of its people. Immigration policies that further that job are good, those that impede it are bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Alix Pasquet, was an upper class Haitian all his life, not a immigrant. But I don't expect you to fact check, you are far more interested in labeling and scoring points than answering the question posed. Why should we priortize immigrants who come here with skills ready made to jump into the economy? Haiti has a literacy rate of 61%, 53% for measles vaccinations and a per capita income of $790 a year and no grounding in a functioning civil society. So while some upper crust Haitian may indeed blend right in odds are most wont. The Somalis damn sure didn't by and large. We took them in and they became a jihad factory. Several arrivals from the stans have now engaged in domestic terrorism as well. The government's job is to secure the liberty of its people. Immigration policies that further that job are good, those that impede it are bad.
    Wow. It almost -- almost, but not quite -- sounds like your bigotry is based on class, rather than race. But, since your hero can only spout off racist garbage, we can't give him the benefit of the doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Double Edge, actually he can and did. Some in Congress are trying to reverse his decision via rewriting the law. If that is what Congress decides, he's stuck since he said he would sign any bill that also had the 4 pillars. However, its a legit question.
    Who's keeping track of his wins ? What are his concrete results to date

    So much verbiage is generated over what he just said or is going to do or threatens to do that we wonder how much actually he pulls off : D

    Take DACA (where this comment sprang out of), that we will only find out about march end. Been hanging fire for over a year now
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    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people,
    Hearsay gossip, with no proof that he actually said it.

    But I would still comfortably bet a couple years salary that he said those exact words, with gusto.
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