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Great democracies should also have the world’s greatest militaries
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostColonel,
You asked what India could bring to the table. Logistics is one area where India could shine supreme, even above Deigo Garcia and one area where the Americans would be comfortable enough to task to India without compromising National Security Assets.
There is no way Deigo Garcia could dominate in fresh fruits and vegetables over India. You must have experienced times during deployment where it's a toss up which you want more, a shot of scotch or a water melon.
Like I said there's more than meet the eyes. The USN enjoys similar logistics in some other regional countries as well, but what we don't hear them boasting about is this kind grand designs of making them mighty military powers with US help. Confusing ... if not out right misleading.sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...
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Originally posted by Deltacamelately View PostI wouldn't hedge by bets on anything the article says unless -
1. The IN/IAF actually buys Fighters from the US
2. An Indian AC comes out with cutting edge American tech
So when i hear them say 'great democracies should have the greatest militaries' it signals work is being done on their side to ease those restrictions. More so with a president that wants to sell arms to the world. This is a good opportunity for both
What have we got from them so far, P9's and some unarmed drones, i think our shopping list is a good deal longer
but what we don't hear them boasting about is this kind grand designs of making them mighty military powers with US help. Confusing ... if not out right misleading.Last edited by Double Edge; 16 Nov 17,, 18:09.
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostThis is in the 70s - 1970s spy satellite 'better than Google Earth'
2014 - Now In Orbit: A Satellite That Can See Through Smoke
As of 2012 - Risat 1
As of 2017 - Military using 13 satellites to keep eye on foes
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Originally posted by Deltacamelately View PostSir,
Like I said there's more than meet the eyes. The USN enjoys similar logistics in some other regional countries as well, but what we don't hear them boasting about is this kind grand designs of making them mighty military powers with US help. Confusing ... if not out right misleading.
Trump's statement about great democracies having great militaries might have more to do with the fact that LockMart is trying to sell F-16s to the IAF and general Atomics is trying to sell the Avenger. The Americans were locked out of the Indian arms market for so long, while the Russians, French and Brits made hay. They're trying to make up for lost time and money. That's all.Last edited by Firestorm; 16 Nov 17,, 20:12.
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostSatellites can be easily fooled with decoys, warehousing, and IR tarps. The best way to fool the birds is to show them what they expect to see. If they expect to see a F-16, show them a cardboard F-16. If they expect to see a warehouse full of stuff, park empty trucks outside an empty warehouse.
In 1942, the Army Built a Decoy Airfield in Virginia to Fool the Luftwaffe
Originally posted by Toby View Post.Many V weapon sites were found using the stereoscope during WW2....There is no denying Technology but there are limits to it depending on weather and decoys etc
Decoys don't limit a satellites capabilities, it presents a different picture than what is real and on the ground. Satellites can see through everything in any weather, day & night. Decoys were not what you started the discussion with, though I agree with the Colonel that decoys are used to fool satellites. If you have anything else, I would like to read it.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Deltacamelately View PostSir,
Like I said there's more than meet the eyes. The USN enjoys similar logistics in some other regional countries as well, but what we don't hear them boasting about is this kind grand designs of making them mighty military powers with US help. Confusing ... if not out right misleading.
I agree with you and would like to offer another perspective. 1980s and 1990s China was a defacto American ally. An American spy station was stationed in China along with a battery of NIKE HERCULES missiles. The Chinese bought a squadron of BLACKHAWKS from the Americans.
Then Tienamen Square happenned and the resulting boycott began. That event was most tragic and I will not argue otherwise. However, there was nothing illegal about Tienamen Square and nothing that changed the strategic necessities that formulated the Sino-American coalition in the first place. Neither the US nor the world declare Tienamen Square illegal. Martial Law was declared and what did people expect? The students were dictating terms to Li. What did people expect an old warhorse like Deng to do?
The point I'm trying to make is that a both internationally and domestically legal internal Chinese event caused the Americans to kill a coalition that both sides had spent 20 years to build.
While Indian members here might say that Tienamen could never happen in India, there is one kind of event that would cause the Americans to kill any military relationship with India, a nuclear test.
Indian members should take note when considering the extent of American help and abandonment.
Originally posted by Oracle View PostDecoys don't limit a satellites capabilities, it presents a different picture than what is real and on the ground. Satellites can see through everything in any weather, day & night. Decoys were not what you started the discussion with, though I agree with the Colonel that decoys are used to fool satellites. If you have anything else, I would like to read it.Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 17 Nov 17,, 18:01.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostThe point I'm trying to make is that a both internationally and domestically legal internal Chinese event caused the Americans to kill a coalition that both sides had spent 20 years to build.
While Indian members here might say that Tienamen could never happen in India, there is one kind of event that would cause the Americans to kill any military relationship with India, a nuclear test.
Indian members should take note when considering the extent of American help and abandonment.
Though am finding it difficult to imagine a scenario where India needs to test again in the future. In both cases earlier, the target was the NPT. The world kept saying sign we refused and demonstrated that refusal.
What more changes will there be now to the NPT
As for India's nuke abilities, which country that is determined to be nuclear capable test and then declare a moratorium
No, the right way to go about that is to keep testing and tell the world to get lost like North Korea and stick at it until you do succeed
We tested to get into the nuke club or retain the option. We have it. Nothing more to prove
We say we are confident of our deterent, that we are on our way to completing a nuke triad. Who's going to call that bluff anytime soonLast edited by Double Edge; 17 Nov 17,, 18:21.
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostYes, my point was about satellite technology over the years.
In 1942, the Army Built a Decoy Airfield in Virginia to Fool the Luftwaffe
Did you read the links?
Decoys don't limit a satellites capabilities, it presents a different picture than what is real and on the ground. Satellites can see through everything in any weather, day & night. Decoys were not what you started the discussion with, though I agree with the Colonel that decoys are used to fool satellites. If you have anything else, I would like to read it
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostThough am finding it difficult to imagine a scenario where India needs to test again in the future.
India is not at that stage yet. In order to teset for an aged arsenal, you need an aged arsenal.Chimo
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1974 to '98 is 24 years. But the test was due during Narasimha's time, it got put off for various reasons and ended up in '98
That's twenty years which means we're due a due a test soon to within the next ten
Oh well, we'll cross that bridge when the times comes
Easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission which is exactly what happened after the '98 test
Still. i don't sense a clock ticking like the last two timesLast edited by Double Edge; 18 Nov 17,, 04:03.
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