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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Right now the US has the strategic edge unless China wants to risk making it a regional conflict and threaten US forces in Afghanistan, Korea and Japan. That raises the risk and cost for a US war, but if the missiles fly at Taiwan...
    How long do you think US forces will be in Afghanistan ? as long as the current administration is in office, another three years maybe

    By the time China builds up the force necessary i figure the US is long gone from Afghanistan
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    The US is still not going to abandon a 600,000+ army that have the Russian belly within its range. That narrative would be extremely difficult for India to swallow.
    Isn't that a (tried and failed) * 'n' policy as far as US is concerned? Right now, Paks columnists, ISPR, abduls, claim strategic convergence with Russia. So, why would Pak fight the Russians on behalf of the US. The more approriate question is when has the Paks listened to US after the Afghan Jihad. This is a policy failure that consecutive US administrations have been carrying on their shoulders, because someone believes Pak will change. What's happening in Afghanistan is because of US policy failures vis-a-vis Pak Army. For sure, you didn't mean using Pak Jihadis against Russia as you mentioned about 600K men army. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction.

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    If there is to be a fight with China, the US wants Russia either on side or not involved. Russian belly does not work here. Ingress to China's western flank does

    Russia wants to be that swing player that makes a difference, its the only way for them to improve their status

    The other thing about russian belly within range is it harkens back to the cold war. If that was the case the Russians would have actively opposed the US in Afghanistan over ten years ago. Like in the 80s, as the US did

    This is not to say say Russian commentators say just this, they do but its not credible or russia's counter actions don't support the claims made to date
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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Right now the US has the strategic edge unless China wants to risk making it a regional conflict and threaten US forces in Afghanistan, Korea and Japan. That raises the risk and cost for a US war, but if the missiles fly at Taiwan...
    Jason, the premis is that the Chinese would not threaten military action but economic action against Taiwan. They would punish Taiwan for any move towards independence by simply refusing to do business with Taiwan. This would have an effect of destroying jobs and life savings in Taiwan.


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    Isn't that a (tried and failed) * 'n' policy as far as US is concerned? Right now, Paks columnists, ISPR, abduls, claim strategic convergence with Russia. So, why would Pak fight the Russians on behalf of the US. The more approriate question is when has the Paks listened to US after the Afghan Jihad. This is a policy failure that consecutive US administrations have been carrying on their shoulders, because someone believes Pak will change. What's happening in Afghanistan is because of US policy failures vis-a-vis Pak Army. For sure, you didn't mean using Pak Jihadis against Russia as you mentioned about 600K men army. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction.
    Is that before or after the Ukraines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Jason, the premis is that the Chinese would not threaten military action but economic action against Taiwan. They would punish Taiwan for any move towards independence by simply refusing to do business with Taiwan. This would have an effect of destroying jobs and life savings in Taiwan.
    Not sure the CCP coukd survive an open claim of Taiwanese independence without going to war. They could go to war and win, or go to war and lose (and blame those dasterdly Americans), but they could not simply pick up their marbles and go home. The loss of political legitimacy inside China would be catastrophic. Plus if something China claims as hers is allowed to leave, then other border disputes flair up, especially along the nine-dash line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Not sure the CCP coukd survive an open claim of Taiwanese independence without going to war. They could go to war and win, or go to war and lose (and blame those dasterdly Americans), but they could not simply pick up their marbles and go home. The loss of political legitimacy inside China would be catastrophic. Plus if something China claims as hers is allowed to leave, then other border disputes flair up, especially along the nine-dash line.
    My guess is that the Mainland won't actually invade, but will force a long term blockade of Taiwan (rather than a full scale takeover, Beijing will demand political/military concessions that will essentially destroy TI's credibility). Regularly bombing the ports and airports should be enough.

    Sure, we Americans could try to blockade China in turn, but the PRC has a lot more staying power (not to mention that various Chinese trade partners will be clamoring for things to get back to normal). And that's assuming the PLA attacks first out of the blue, as opposed to some idiot in Taipei doing something moronic like hosting foreign military forces or launching an independence referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Not sure the CCP coukd survive an open claim of Taiwanese independence without going to war. They could go to war and win, or go to war and lose (and blame those dasterdly Americans), but they could not simply pick up their marbles and go home. The loss of political legitimacy inside China would be catastrophic. Plus if something China claims as hers is allowed to leave, then other border disputes flair up, especially along the nine-dash line.
    The point is NOT to reach an acutal Taiwanese Independence Declaration but to deter it. Beijing would make sure that the Taiwanese Public would know that they stand to lose their jobs and life savings upon independence and thus cause public pressure not to declare independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Is that before or after the Ukraines?
    The art of saying it all in one sentence.

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    This thread has become too serious.
    I admire the Colonel, but, why is he not banned? He's been making so many duplicate IDs????? With the grace of Allah , someone please do something about it.

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    lol, was thinking of starting a welcome to WAB OOE thread : D

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    The Colonel doesn't need any welcome. From my experience, everybody who participate in defense boards know him. The Colonel is Sean Connery of defense. And he has gone silent for the last 12 hours. ;-)

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    yeah so the usual thing here is to make a food fight thread. Just that we're missing some characters to make it work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    A week is a long time in politics. That is in democracies. Still, three decades on who can predict

    Corruption is what Xi did to consolidate power. As the growth rate came down, stomachs went hungry so going after the 'corrupt' aka enemies is the order of the day. Unlike the soviets the Chinese are sitting on trillions and trade with everyone
    Corruption is also one of the planks Modi fought the election on, and corruption is still a very important agenda of the current discourse. But, you have made an important point - USSR didn't have the financial muscle when they collapsed, China does and they are not collapsing anytime soon. However, does acting on corruption feed hungry stomachs? No.

    But, what I admire about the CPC is they are unlike any commies we've seen. They actually care about the economy and their people. They make plans 50 years into the future.

    China’s technology ambitions may upset global trade order

    And this is what is globalisation of tongues - Indian goods spice up China’s Singles Day

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    Exact opposite going on in Russia. They seem to have found religion and no badmouthing allowed
    Much like India.

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    Taking over the world. Top power by 2050, able to win wars

    May not join that fight but could support it in the background ? besides if there is a conflict it presents an opportunity to settle the border once and for all whether the CCP likes it or not
    I see cracks in BRI, and unless it works out, say, with atleast 70% success, they are not taking over anything.

    Nope. India will not use the means Pak does, it's done and dusted after Rajiv was assasinated. As far as conflict is concerned, I know a free Tibet will be an OPOBJ, depends upon China if they want to test us out.

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    Why ? Chinese have moved on since then. He wants to create a Xi cult like Mao had
    Red salute to Xi than.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post


    Nope. India will not use the means Pak does, it's done and dusted after Rajiv was assasinated. As far as conflict is concerned, I know a free Tibet will be an OPOBJ, depends upon China if they want to test us out.
    Won't get that far with either side, since that's pretty close to nuclear weapons flying territory, if not in it already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher View Post
    Won't get that far with either side, since that's pretty close to nuclear weapons flying territory, if not in it already.
    Agree. Both are mature stable states.
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