Las Vegas Oct 2017 mass shooting

[citanon]

libel
incitement
defamation
slander
porn
fraud
obsecinty
panic inducing
crime inducing
sedition

And you are suggesting that those are more onerous than these?

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...l-firearms-act

The above that you mention are for actual criminal activity or civil damages (slander and defamation, which are very difficult prove). The NFA and other rules control lawful possession, and then additional penalties come into play once criminal activity has been committed.

Saying 2A is uniquely untouched by regulation is absolutely false.

[Gun Grape]

At the end of the day, 2A serves as a vital insurance for our democracy. An insurance is something you don't think about in the good times. It's something you don't ever think you'll need. It's something you might not need ever in your lifetime. However, on the day you need it, you need it.

When I see the AR-15, I don't just see a hunting rifle or a hobby. I see an insurance policy for protecting the Bill of Rights, and this is the way it works:

In almost every other country in world, when that 18 year old soldier first puts his hand on a rifle, it will be in a government camp, from the government, whom he has to obey, sanctioned by a government hierarchy, from whom he derives his authority.

In America, that kid will have received it in his/her house, which the gun protects, from his loved ones, whom he has to defend, sanctioned by the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights, from which he gets his freedom. When that kid grows up, he/she and millions of other kids like him or her will make up a vibrant new generation who will our military to defend freedom. Those soldiers will never forget that their gun is meant to defend freedom, home, and family. Because of this, the American military will never turn against its people and the Constitution.

That's why the people need to bear arms.

If that right is eroded, if people forget its use and its meaning, if the guns are no longer in the hands of the people, then all of the other rights are weakend. Then one day, in a circumstance we can't foresee, for reasons we can't imagine, in the worst of times for our country, when our democracy is in peril, we may find that there are either precious few defenders remaining to call upon, or that those meant to defend freedom, have forgotten it.

That's the most romanticized Bullshit thing I've read in a long time.

Should have started the story off with "Once upon a time" or added somewhere "The Lady of the Lake (or Mom) held up the AR and presented it to the son so he may defend the relm"

The large majority, from personal experience, from 1980-2002, I'd say over 80% of the people joining the Marine Corps never held a gun prior to boot camp. And thats the Corps, the branch you think all the "gun Nuts" want to join.
There may be more guns in circulation, but less people have them.

Its the wanna be rifle of the phony tough

[citanon]

That's the most romanticized Bullshit thing I've read in a long time.

Should have started the story off with "Once upon a time" or added somewhere "The Lady of the Lake (or Mom) held up the AR and presented it to the son so he may defend the relm"

That's a great line. I'll have to find a way to work that in next time.

The large majority, from personal experience, from 1980-2002, I'd say over 80% of the people joining the Marine Corps never held a gun prior to boot camp. And thats the Corps, the branch you think all the "gun Nuts" want to join.
There may be more guns in circulation, but less people have them.

It's not quite 80% but it is more than 50%:

http://www.heraldnet.com/news/half-o...er-held-a-gun/

But that means that about 50% of recruits have had prior fire arms experience, at least in the army.

Now when you take into account that gun ownership amongs 18-24 year olds is actually abysmally low:

The group called the NORC organization said its study — or General Social Survey — found that among 18- to 25-year-olds, gun ownership fell from a 1977 peak of 45 percent to 13 percent in 2014.

It means it's likely that gun owners over-represent their demographic in joining the military.

Its the wanna be rifle of the phony tough

That's a lovely opinion, but you know what they say about opinions. There are different opinions:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/gre...ever-held-gun/

It also happens to be the most convenient gun for a relative novice to use in defending their home, and a great tool for practicing shooting skills. Recent mass shootings aside, semi-automatic rifles account for less than 2% of gun deaths and less than 1% of gun injuries in America:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b015db1bc8c123

Which makes them one of the safest categories of firearms and least useful to criminals.

Where's that Lady of the Lake? I want to give her a hug and a thank you.

[Ironduke]

None of them seem to know anything about the subject beyond parroting what they've seen in like minded media articles and news reports. The "NRA cash" refrain is typical. the NRA spends far less on campaign contributions and lobbying than any other major national organization. Yet it always ranks near the top in effectiveness. That's because it has a large and dedicated, active membership and a huge following of single issue voters, unlike the usual astro-turf type gun control groups with small real memberships or the bigger organizations that don't have an involved, single interest membership.

The NRA crossed the threshold from being a single issue interest group a long, long time ago.

This is the face of today's NRA. Quite ugly stuff.

Two Minutes Hate.

[Pedicabby]

Now that is some fucked up shit right there.

[JCT]

I strongly suggest you read the ban. It speaks of cosmetic things. Pistol gribs. Magazines. Barrel shrouds. The actions were still perfectly legal and the manufacturers got around it by installing thumb holes and smaller magazines.

It should be pointed out that the after market add on accessories were still perfectly legal.

Good luck with that one. The .223 first came out as a hunting ammunition. The 5.56 came out afterwards as a modified military variant. The same with the .308 and the 7.62x51

According to the ATF, 182,619. Consdiering the number of semi-autos out there, your scheme would not even make a dent in firearms availability. It never had.

Source: Machine Guns Are Legal: A Practical Guide to Full Auto

Since 1989 California has banned the sale of assault weapons and has many restrictions on the importation of semi-automatic weapons purchased in other states. Interestingly enough, it is one of the few states that does not guarantee citizens the right to bear arms.

Active duty military are allowed to bring them in if they follow certain registration procedures.

[Ironduke]

Trump on Florida shooting: 'I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon'

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said Monday he would have stormed into the Florida high school to stop the gunman perpetrating the nation's latest mass shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon" as he lambasted the inaction of a sheriff's deputy assigned to the school.

"You don't know until you test it, but I think, I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon, and I think most of the people in this room would have done that too," Trump told a gathering of US governors at the White House.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/polit...pon/index.html

[astralis]

pretty big talk for mr-avoiding-STDs-was-my-personal-Vietnam.

[Gun Grape]

That's a great line. I'll have to find a way to work that in next time.


It's not quite 80% but it is more than 50%:

http://www.heraldnet.com/news/half-o...er-held-a-gun/

But that means that about 50% of recruits have had prior fire arms experience, at least in the army.

They didn't give a percentage only "Over 50%". For all you know it could be 80%. And it doesn't infer that "about 50%" have used a gun. It means that less than 50% have.

It means it's likely that gun owners over-represent their demographic in joining the military.

Or not. We do know that people from Ohio over represent because we keep statistics on accessions from each State. But we don't ask about gun ownership. The Army Drill Sgts and I agree that more people join having never shot a gun. We also agree on how much harder it is to correct bad marksmanship habits than to start with a clean slate.

And if you were to pull range records at MCRD Parris Island you would see that no experience makes better marksmen and most of the time the range record is held by someone that had never shot before.

The green bennie that has taught thousands of SOF guys isn't teaching basic marksmanship. Neither is he training guys that have never shot a gun.

It also happens to be the most convenient gun for a relative novice to use in defending their home, and a great tool for practicing shooting skills. Recent mass shootings aside, semi-automatic rifles account for less than 2% of gun deaths and less than 1% of gun injuries in America

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b015db1bc8c123

Which makes them one of the safest categories of firearms and least useful to criminals.

But we are not discussing reducing all gun crime, we want to reduce/stop school shootings and mass shootings not related to drug or gang violence. And the weapon of choice for the types of crimes we are wanting to reduce is the AR-15 and its knockoffs

Where's that Lady of the Lake? I want to give her a hug and a thank you.

Shes still laughing her ass off about this:

that kid will have received it in his/her house, which the gun protects, from his loved ones, whom he has to defend, sanctioned by the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights, from which he gets his freedom. When that kid grows up, he/she and millions of other kids like him or her will make up a vibrant new generation who will our military to defend freedom. Those soldiers will never forget that their gun is meant to defend freedom, home, and family. Because of this, the American military will never turn against its people and the Constitution.

[Gun Grape]

One of the kids is calling for a boycott of Spring Break in Florida.

Lets see what Tallahassee's response will be between now and the middle of March.


http://time.com/5176544/david-hogg-boycott-florida/

Student activist David Hogg, who survived the deadly shooting at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School earlier this month, has a new approach he hopes will be effective in reforming gun control policy in his home state of Florida.

The 17-year-old is asking prospective tourists to boycott Florida for spring break in order to force legislators’ hands when it comes to gun reform.

“Let’s make a deal DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed,” Hogg wrote on Twitter over the weekend. “These [politicians] won’t listen to us so maybe they’ll listen to the billion dollar tourism industry in FL. #neveragain.”

Instead, Hogg suggested, tourists should consider Puerto Rico as an alternative, which is gradually recovering from the impact of Hurricane Maria.

“Better Idea: Spend your spring break in Puerto Rico, it’s a beautiful place with amazing people,” Hogg said in an additional tweet. “They could really use the economic support that the government has failed to provide. #SpringBreak2018 #SBinPurtoRico #itsspelled PUERTO RICO.”

[surfgun]

Spring Breakers, giving an S about social crusades? Hmmm, let me think on that one!

[Ironduke]

Lt. Governor of Georgia, Casey Cagle: I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA. Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back.

https://twitter.com/CaseyCagle/statu...99605803454465

[Bigfella]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/polit...pon/index.html

How could a guy with such bad heel spurs run into a building to confront someone?

[Mihais]

But we are not discussing reducing all gun crime, we want to reduce/stop school shootings and mass shootings not related to drug or gang violence. And the weapon of choice for the types of crimes we are wanting to reduce is the AR-15 and its knockoffs

Hmm,is not.Plenty mass shootings done with handguns.

WTH is a knockoff?Only Armalites?Any semi-auto?All guns in .223?What will you do when an idiot will use semi-auto shotgun?Or a lever action?

Really,Gunny,I expect these sort of crap from someone who was never around weapons.

Is also rather asinine to start with one of the least important problems.For fs,there are more people killed with bare hands than those killed with rifles.Logically,fists and feet should be controlled/banned before AR's.

[JCT]

Hmm,is not.Plenty mass shootings done with handguns.

WTH is a knockoff?Only Armalites?Any semi-auto?All guns in .223?What will you do when an idiot will use semi-auto shotgun?Or a lever action?

Really,Gunny,I expect these sort of crap from someone who was never around weapons.

Is also rather asinine to start with one of the least important problems.For fs,there are more people killed with bare hands than those killed with rifles.Logically,fists and feet should be controlled/banned before AR's.

But only in the movies can someone kill 17 people with their bare hands in 6 minutes. Large capacity, auto-loading weapons let any nut job have the chance to turn into Arnold. I think that we as a society have lost the privilege of owning this type weapon until we can fix the reasons behind these atrocities - which may never happen in a country as large and diverse as ours.