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I've said the Chinese could build 2000 nuclear CAPABLE missiles.
The context of which that was written was to show that countries like Taiwan and India could not build enough ABMs to defeat so many missiles. They would not know which ones are decoys and which ones actually carry nukes.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostI've said the Chinese could build 2000 nuclear CAPABLE missiles.
The context of which that was written was to show that countries like Taiwan and India could not build enough ABMs to defeat so many missiles. They would not know which ones are decoys and which ones actually carry nukes.
#1. In general, are ABM systems effective at all against ICBMs that travel at Mach-20+?
#2. Do any country have the technology to identify decoys from warheads that carries nuke?Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Oracle View Post#1. In general, are ABM systems effective at all against ICBMs that travel at Mach-20+?
Originally posted by Oracle View Post#2. Do any country have the technology to identify decoys from warheads that carries nuke?Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostThe American system is claimed to be effective in such regard. The Russians use nukes to intercept nukes, ie a nuclear blast radius big enough to destroy or throw the incoming RV off course.
You mean the Russians will nuke their own land with their own nukes to destroy an incoming nuke? Or the Russians will detonate one of their nukes in air on the path of an incoming nuke?
Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostSure. When they hit. But to answer your question. Only Russia got enough ICBMs to overwhelm the American ABM system. China got 20-30 ICBMs that can hit the US.
If and when they hit, then everything goes kaput isn't it, if the warhead wasn't a decoy. So there exists any kind of technology (super computers or something) that can identify a decoy?Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostClaimed. So, not 100% proven. This technologies take time to mature.
Originally posted by Oracle View PostYou mean the Russians will nuke their own land with their own nukes to destroy an incoming nuke? Or the Russians will detonate one of their nukes in air on the path of an incoming nuke?
Originally posted by Oracle View PostIf and when they hit, then everything goes kaput isn't it, if the warhead wasn't a decoy.
Originally posted by Oracle View PostSo there exists any kind of technology (super computers or something) that can identify a decoy?
Originally posted by Skywatcher View PostIIRC, the radiation from the blast of the ABM nuke warhead is supposed to 'neutralize' the incoming warhead by messing with the purity of the uranium/plutonium core.Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostAnd there's the EMP to consider. But I have to wonder. Is Moscow any safer with 40 tac nukes exploding in the air instead of 9 nukes hitting the ground?
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Full article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKBN1JH2QX
Trump: North Korea 'total denuclearization' started; officials see no new moves
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday North Korea was blowing up four of its big test sites and that a process of “total denuclearization ... has already started,” but officials said there was no such evidence since a landmark summit last week.
Trump said at a Cabinet meeting in the White House that “They’ve stopped the sending of missiles, including ballistic missiles. They’re destroying their engine site. They’re blowing it up. They’ve already blown up one of their big test sites, in fact it’s actually four of their big test sites.
“And the big thing is it will be a total denuclearization, which has already started taking place.”
It was not immediately clear which North Korean test sites Trump was referring to and U.S. officials familiar with current intelligence on North Korea’s nuclear and missile test sites said there was no evidence of new moves to dismantle any sites since Trump met North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on June 12.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, speculated Trump might have been referring to explosions last month that North Korea said were to destroy tunnels at the Punggye-ri nuclear test site and the dismantling of a medium-range ballistic missile test stand at Iha-ri, also in May.
There had been contact with North Korean officials since the summit, the U.S. State Department said.
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “will be meeting with them and talking with them at the earliest possible date” to implement what was agreed in Singapore, spokeswoman Heather Nauert told reporters, without providing further details.
Asked on Wednesday if North Korea had done anything toward denuclearization since the summit, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told reporters: “No, I’m not aware of that ... obviously, it’s the very front end of a process. The detailed negotiations have not begun. I wouldn’t expect that at this point.”
Mattis sat next to Trump at Thursday’s Cabinet meeting.
The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Trump’s latest remarks. There also was no immediate response from the White House.
The U.S.-based North Korea monitoring group 38 North said in an analysis at the end of last week there had been no sign of any activity toward dismantling of any missile test site."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Full article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKBN1JI2YV
Pentagon indefinitely suspends some training exercises with South Korea
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States and South Korea have agreed to indefinitely suspend two exchange program training exercises, the Pentagon said on Friday, in the aftermath of the summit earlier this month between U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
“To support implementing the outcomes of the Singapore Summit, and in coordination with our Republic of Korea ally, Secretary Mattis has indefinitely suspended select exercises,” Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White said.
“This includes suspending FREEDOM GUARDIAN along with two Korean Marine Exchange Program training exercises scheduled to occur in the next three months,” White said.
Regarding suspension of the exercises, South Korea’s defense ministry said, “South Korea and the U.S. decided to delay two of KMEP (drills) indefinitely, which was going to take place within the next three months.
“This is a part of follow-up measures after the North Korea-U.S. summit and South Korea-North Korea summit. There could be additional measures should North Korea follow suit with productive cooperation.”
At a news conference after the meeting with Kim in Singapore, Trump announced that he would halt what he called “very provocative” and expensive regular military exercises that the United States holds with South Korea. North Korea had long sought an end to the war games.
This week, the United States and South Korea said they were suspending planning for August’s Freedom Guardian exercise.
Last year, 17,500 American troops and more than 50,000 South Korean troops joined the Freedom Guardian drills, although the exercise is mostly focused on computerized simulations rather than field exercises.
A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, played down the significance of suspending the Korean Marine Exchange Program training exercises, saying they were relatively minor.
Jim Mattis met with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford and Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton on Friday, White said.
“In support of upcoming diplomatic negotiations led by Secretary Pompeo, additional decisions will depend upon the DPRK continuing to have productive negotiations in good faith,” she added, referring to North Korea.
Every spring, the United States and South Korea conduct Foal Eagle and Max Thunder drills, both of which wrapped up in May.
The decision to halt military exercises with South Korea baffled allies, military officials and lawmakers. The drills help keep U.S. forces at a state of readiness in one of the world’s most tense flashpoints."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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But... but it's still an "extraordinary threat" so we are not safer? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44584957 This guy is a disgrace to all decent Yanks.
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostRight. Nothing like quid pro quo only it seems the quo (North Korea) doesn't have to put up anything solid showing good faith. Yep, they are going to milk this...
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The US and SKorea just done Ex FOAL EAGLE/KEY RESOLVE in April involving 300,000+ troops. Do we really need another Ex in Aug involving 65,000+ troops? Such constant exercises put strains on men and material and yes, these cost money, not only in carrying out the exercise but also on the mainteance of wear and tear on men and machine.
As for the quid pro quo. As long as no rockets fly, Ex ULCHI GUARDIAN FREEDOM stays dormant. As of right now, there has been no development of the SLV launch schedule for August, ie no satellite is being seen to be installed onto a rocket.
Ex FOAL EAGLE/KEY RESOLVE, however, is not being suspended. I leave to you gentlemen to ponder what effect suspending a a 65,000 men exercise compare to keeping the 300,000 men exercise.Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 25 Jun 18,, 20:52.Chimo
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