View Poll Results: What is the best course of action in dealing with North Korea?

Voters
14. You may not vote on this poll
  • Full scale preemptive military strike

    4 28.57%
  • Limited preemptive military strike

    0 0%
  • Appeasement in the form of recognition and aid

    1 7.14%
  • Strategic Patience - Neither negotiation nor military action

    9 64.29%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 843

Thread: The Korean Dilemma

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Banned Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    06 Nov 16
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,501

    The Korean Dilemma

    For decades now we've had a situation where an isolated state born out of WW2 has point blank refused to accept its southern counterparts existence. Resulting in war then a stalemate for 60+ years. Enabled by China in the North and The USA in the South it would seem to quote a chinese statement 'we have reached a tipping point'.
    Continually firing bigger and bigger missiles into the Sea of Japan and now over Japan into the Pacific with No regard for international law it would appear the end game is clearly in site. This is a very frightening prospect. Not only for Korea, but the region as a whole and the global economy of which Asia is a key component. My question is could this spread further afield, because I fear it has every prospect of doing so.
    It would be good to hear your views...

  2. #2
    Turbanator Senior Contributor Double Edge's Avatar
    Join Date
    11 Sep 10
    Location
    Bangalore
    Posts
    7,709
    Without spreading further afield, estimates of casualties in case hostilities break out

    100k on the korean peninsula within the first 24h
    300k over the next three months

    Who is going to wage war with those figures ?

  3. #3
    Banned Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    06 Nov 16
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,501
    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Without spreading further afield, estimates of casualties in case hostilities break out

    100k on the korean peninsula within the first 24h
    300k over the next three months

    Who is going to wage war with those figures ?
    A Madman and A Despot!

  4. #4
    Turbanator Senior Contributor Double Edge's Avatar
    Join Date
    11 Sep 10
    Location
    Bangalore
    Posts
    7,709
    Despot wants to cut a deal

  5. #5
    Banned Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    06 Nov 16
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,501
    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Despot wants to cut a deal
    But what kind of deal?

    President Donald Trump on Wednesday said “talking is not the answer”
    Last edited by Toby; 30 Aug 17, at 20:50.

  6. #6
    Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    12 Aug 08
    Location
    UK/Europe
    Posts
    4,833
    Kim is not mad which leaves Trump.

  7. #7
    Turbanator Senior Contributor Double Edge's Avatar
    Join Date
    11 Sep 10
    Location
    Bangalore
    Posts
    7,709
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    A Madman and A Despot!
    Whether Trump could launch a nuclear strike on his own ?



    President alone makes the decision but president alone cannot carry out the decision

    My understanding is he must follow procedure otherwise the chain of command won't cooperate

  8. #8
    Senior Contributor Oracle's Avatar
    Join Date
    12 Jul 13
    Location
    966.3673
    Posts
    3,470
    There is no Korean dilema. It's the failure of the successive governments of the US, and Chinese duplicity. I am not bringing in the UK and EU, because lately these countries are more concerned about human rights and climate change than do anything serious on the world stage.

    NK please don't test a nuke. Nuke tested. NK, please, please do not test a nuke again. Nuke tested again. NK, we'll put sanctions and China please help. Nuke tested again. This is not the way to treat a rouge country. If Irans' nuke program was taken on an urgent basis, why not NKs? Because of Chinese assurance? Pak, China have been making a fool of the US administration for decades, so much that it's not even funny anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Without spreading further afield, estimates of casualties in case hostilities break out

    100k on the korean peninsula within the first 24h
    300k over the next three months

    Who is going to wage war with those figures ?
    How many people died in the WWs'? How many people die everyday from road accidents? Malaria kills more every year.

    There will always be casulties. The issue here is the right thing to do. Is bombing Nk the right thing? Maybe, I don't know. But I know this, when US drops the first bomb in NK, thousands will flee towards the border to SK and China. There would be many deserters among NKs' military too. We talk about casulty figures, do we even know if those NKoreans would hold ground and fight? The NKs have dug trenches all through and would use heavy artillery, ok, but how many would stay and load those shells, and fight for Kim knowing fully well they would be obliterated by US firepower?

    The articles which come up with these kind of casulty figures and other epic BS urging for restraint is Chinese propaganda. Even yesterday the Pak FO said they do not have any terrorists on their soil, while Pak DM said the opposite. And if NK refugees flood the Chinese border, let China deal with it. The Chinese have made a lot of money ripping countries around the globe. It's time for the Chinese to take some damn responsibility, when the source of this tension is China itself.
    Last edited by Oracle; 08 Sep 17, at 03:56.

  9. #9
    Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    13 Nov 07
    Posts
    3,848
    I can well understand China's reluctance to further pressure North Korea. China remembers well the situation when China itself developed nuclear weapons. Arguably back then the country was in a far worse state economically than NK is today, yet despite enormous pressure from the USSR China went ahead with acquiring the full arsenal anyways.

    Putin stated over the weekend that the Norks would "eat grass" and still get the bomb. He's absolutely right. China did, literally, that.

    Both of these sets of leaders understand that economic and diplomatic pressure, no matter how great, would not stop the North, but this lesson from history has been seemingly forgotten in the West.

  10. #10
    Banned Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    06 Nov 16
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,501
    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    There is no Korean dilema. It's the failure of the successive governments of the US, and Chinese duplicity. I am not bringing in the UK and EU, because lately these countries are more concerned about human rights and climate change than do anything serious on the world stage.

    NK please don't test a nuke. Nuke tested. NK, please, please do not test a nuke again. Nuke tested again. NK, we'll put sanctions and China please help. Nuke tested again. This is not the way to treat a rouge country. If Irans' nuke program was taken on an urgent basis, why not NKs? Because of Chinese assurance? Pak, China have been making a fool of the US administration for decades, so much that it's not even funny anymore.



    How many people died in the WWs'? How many people die everyday from road accidents? Malaria kills more every year.

    There will always be casulties. The issue here is the right thing to do. Is bombing Nk the right thing? Maybe, I don't know. But I know this, when US drops the first bomb in NK, thousands will flee towards the border to SK and China. There would be many deserters among NKs' military too. We talk about casulty figures, do we even know if those NKoreans would hold ground and fight? The NKs have dug trenches all through and would use heavy artillery, ok, but how many would stay and load those shells, and fight for Kim knowing fully well they would be obliterated by US firepower?

    The articles which come up with these kind of casulty figures and other epic BS urging for restraint is Chinese propaganda. Even yesterday the Pak FO said they do not have any terrorists on their soil, while Pak DM said the opposite. And if NK refugees flood the Chinese border, let China deal with it. The Chinese have made a lot of money ripping countries around the globe. It's time for the Chinese to take some damn responsibility, when the source of this tension is China itself.
    I doubt thd US would have dropped an atomic bomb on a Japanese city if Roosevelt had been around...took a M.A.D-man to do that.....guess what....another US president is quoting him, like he was the font of all knowledge....hilarious!
    Anyway back to building windfarms and paying out compensation to war victims.....
    Last edited by Toby; 08 Sep 17, at 12:05.

  11. #11
    Senior Contributor Oracle's Avatar
    Join Date
    12 Jul 13
    Location
    966.3673
    Posts
    3,470
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I doubt thd US would have dropped an atomic bomb on a Japanese city if Roosevelt had been around...took a madman to do that.....guess what....another US president is quoting him, like he was the font of all knowledge....hilarious!
    Anyway back to building windfarms and paying out compensation to war victims.....
    Not going into the morality of dropping the bomb on Japan, but it was Truman who launched the Marshall plan to rebuild post WWII western Europe. And nukes are not needed to disarm NK.

  12. #12
    Banned Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    06 Nov 16
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,501
    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Not going into the morality of dropping the bomb on Japan,
    How convenient......just cheap shots at your allies then...
    but it was Truman who launched the Marshall plan to rebuild post WWII western Europe. .
    To stop the spread of communism
    And nukes are not needed to disarm NK
    Really?????

  13. #13
    Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    12 Aug 08
    Location
    UK/Europe
    Posts
    4,833
    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    There is no Korean dilema. It's the failure of the successive governments of the US, and Chinese duplicity. I am not bringing in the UK and EU, because lately these countries are more concerned about human rights and climate change than do anything serious on the world stage.

    NK please don't test a nuke. Nuke tested. NK, please, please do not test a nuke again. Nuke tested again. NK, we'll put sanctions and China please help. Nuke tested again. This is not the way to treat a rouge country. If Irans' nuke program was taken on an urgent basis, why not NKs? Because of Chinese assurance? Pak, China have been making a fool of the US administration for decades, so much that it's not even funny anymore.



    How many people died in the WWs'? How many people die everyday from road accidents? Malaria kills more every year.

    There will always be casulties. The issue here is the right thing to do. Is bombing Nk the right thing? Maybe, I don't know. But I know this, when US drops the first bomb in NK, thousands will flee towards the border to SK and China. There would be many deserters among NKs' military too. We talk about casulty figures, do we even know if those NKoreans would hold ground and fight? The NKs have dug trenches all through and would use heavy artillery, ok, but how many would stay and load those shells, and fight for Kim knowing fully well they would be obliterated by US firepower?

    The articles which come up with these kind of casulty figures and other epic BS urging for restraint is Chinese propaganda. Even yesterday the Pak FO said they do not have any terrorists on their soil, while Pak DM said the opposite. And if NK refugees flood the Chinese border, let China deal with it. The Chinese have made a lot of money ripping countries around the globe. It's time for the Chinese to take some damn responsibility, when the source of this tension is China itself.
    Do the South Koreans get a say?

  14. #14
    Senior Contributor Oracle's Avatar
    Join Date
    12 Jul 13
    Location
    966.3673
    Posts
    3,470
    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Do the South Koreans get a say?
    Not when US security is threatened. What do you think?

  15. #15
    Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    12 Aug 08
    Location
    UK/Europe
    Posts
    4,833
    I rather think they should have a say. You see how the same principle might apply in Ukraine?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 3 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 3 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. The Drone Dilemma
    By Merlin in forum Operation Enduring Freedom and Af-Pak
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 14 Dec 09,, 23:02
  2. S. Korean perception of N. Korean nuclear program
    By Ironduke in forum East Asia and the Pacific
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 13 Jan 09,, 00:36
  3. the dreadful dilemma....
    By dave angel in forum The Field Mess
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05 Sep 07,, 14:44
  4. The Second Korean War and China's dilemma...
    By YellowFever in forum East Asia and the Pacific
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 24 Oct 06,, 05:41
  5. Dilemma of Confronting Fundamentalism
    By Ray in forum International Politics
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 30 Sep 05,, 21:34

Share this thread with friends:

Share this thread with friends:

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •