View Poll Results: What is the best course of action in dealing with North Korea?

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    China protests against Donald Trump’s claim it is holding back North Korean denuclearisation

    Beijing on Saturday protested to the United States after President Donald Trump blamed China for holding back denuclearisation on the Korean peninsula.

    In a statement, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said the US claim was not based on facts and was “irresponsible”.

    “We are seriously concerned and have made solemn representations to the US side,” Lu said.

    The statement came after Trump on Friday said he had asked US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to cancel his trip to North Korea because there had not been significant progress on denuclearisation.

    In further tweets, Trump said he “[did] not believe” China was helping with the process of denuclearisation “because of our much tougher trading stance”.

    Lu said China’s stance on denuclearisation had been consistent, and it supported the US and North Korea to push forward the agreements reached during their landmark summit in Singapore in June.

    “All related parties should stick to the path of political settlement … and show more sincerity and flexibility rather than being unpredictable and passing the buck to others,” Lu said.

    China would keep communicating with all parties and keep contributing to the stability of the Korean peninsula, Lu added.

    The US and China have been locked in a trade battle for months which again escalated this week, with a further round of tariffs imposed on each other’s goods. China is North Korea’s biggest trade partner, and is widely believed to hold the greatest sway over Pyongyang.

    On Saturday, South Korea called the US decision to cancel the trip “unfortunate” and said continued diplomacy was the most crucial part in resolving the nuclear stand-off with Pyongyang.

    The US State Department never confirmed details of Pompeo’s trip, but it had been expected that he would be in Pyongyang for at least several hours on Monday, according to several diplomatic sources familiar with the plan.
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    Never his fault, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher View Post
    Never his fault, is it?
    Nope. If you gotta bomb them, you gotta take the conversation private. Aite? But no, the President has to use Twitter. Big showoff.
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    Trump is in no rush. He doesn't know how it will go either. He wants another meeting.



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    Trump halts new North Korea sanctions despite lack of progress in talks

    President Trump announced Friday that he was reversing a decision by the Treasury Department to impose new sanctions on North Korea, despite lack of progress in talks on getting the rogue regime to give up its nuclear weapons.

    It wasn’t immediately clear what Trump was referring to. [Sounds like his entire "Presidency"] On Thursday, the Treasury Department announced that the administration was taking action to punish two Chinese shipping companies accused of helping Pyongyang evade international trade sanctions on Kim Jong Un’s government.

    “The United States and our like-minded partners remain committed to achieving the final, fully verified denuclearization of North Korea and believe that the full implementation of North Korea-related U.N. Security Council resolutions crucial to a successful outcome,” Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said in a Thursday statement.

    On Friday, North Korea pulled its staff from a joint office shared with South Korean officials in the town of Kaesong, the opening of which was heralded as a thawing of relations between the two nations.

    Negotiations between North Korea and the U.S. have stalled in the wake of Trump’s failed February summit with Kim in Hanoi. Despite walking away without a deal with Kim, Trump insisted that the two leaders continue to have a “very strong partnership.”

    Asked to clarify the president’s rationale for overturning his own Treasury secretary and blocking further sanctions on Pyongyang, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders cited the personal bond between the president and the North Korean dictator.

    “President Trump likes Chairman Kim and he doesn’t think these sanctions will be necessary,
    ” Sanders told reporters. [Well then, that certainly explains it]
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    Trump's not even trying to disguise his love affairs with dictators at this point.
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    What's there left to sanction?

    The US has already put everything with a Norrth Korean flag on it on the blacklist. What's left is to go after the non-North Korean entities that are feeding the North Korean machine and even then, most of them are mouse size. The two freighters listed are nothing more than cargo carrying ferries and certainly not super tankers.

    The only thing that would really hurt the North Koreans is if the US start sanctioning large segments of the Chinese economy doing business with North Korea ... and that is one additional headache and most certainly heartache that Trump does not need. Considering how Canada is now sufferring for the US's handleing of the Hwauei affair, I would seriously question if more harm than good would come out of sanctioning Chinese entitities doing business with North Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Considering how Canada is now sufferring for the US's handleing of the Hwauei affair,
    Care to tell us how Canada is now suffering as a result of the Huawei affair ?

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    Canadians, including an ex-diplomat, being held in China. One who was convicted to a life sentence got re-sentenced to death. Trade embargoes, including all Canola Oil being banned in China because of "health standards" which is laughable considering how Canadian QA technologies surpasses China 20 fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Canadians, including an ex-diplomat, being held in China. One who was convicted to a life sentence got re-sentenced to death. Trade embargoes, including all Canola Oil being banned in China because of "health standards" which is laughable considering how Canadian QA technologies surpasses China 20 fold.
    Those two Canadians are suffering due to false charges.

    But I do not see Canada suffering here though.

    I mocked the threat of consequences that China could impose on Canada at the time of her arrest.

    If this is such a big deal then Canada did not have to detain her, that she was detained means the American warrant has merit.

    Prima facie for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    But I do not see Canada suffering here though.

    I mocked the threat of consequences that China could impose on Canada at the time of her arrest.

    If this is such a big deal then Canada did not have to detain her, that she was detained means the American warrant has merit.

    Prima facie for now.
    Nothing we couldn't handle though the Canola Oil thing sucker punched us but it's not a knock out blow. However, these are headaches and heartaches we do not need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Nothing we couldn't handle though the Canola Oil thing sucker punched us but it's not a knock out blow. However, these are headaches and heartaches we do not need.
    I'm surprised at the action. Use state resources in defense of corporate heads

    I'd point to their actions. What kind of country does this sort of thing ?!?

    What breaches has Canada committed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    I'm surprised at the action. Use state resources in defense of corporate heads
    There's a bit more than that. Before this, China has threatened consequences if Huawei is not allowed to participate in the Canadian 5G system. Canada remains the last country not to outright ban Huawei from ABCA 5G.

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    I'd point to their actions. What kind of country does this sort of thing ?!?
    Apparently China.

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    What breaches has Canada committed here.
    None legally but how dare a middle power show up mighty China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    There's a bit more than that. Before this, China has threatened consequences if Huawei is not allowed to participate in the Canadian 5G system. Canada remains the last country not to outright ban Huawei from ABCA 5G.
    Interesting, i didn't realise there was a penalty for barring Huawei.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...huawei-from-5g

    This isn't the usual rhetoric from Global times but more formal in that the ambassador stated it.

    Well, remainder of ABCA have called Huawei's bluff on those consequences.

    Canada will too. 5 eyes and all.

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    None legally but how dare a middle power show up mighty China?
    There will be reputational damage. World is watching.

    These kinds of conversations need to be held behind closed doors, out in the open it reduces a leaders room to manouver.

    China knows this but still persists meaning its already lost the argument and is now taking it to the street to vent. I suppose this is their way of saving face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post

    None legally but how dare a middle power show up mighty China?
    Canada has a big friend. China has none of any consequence.

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