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  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Well, no, NK is a Chinese issue also. Illegal immigration, smuggling, drug trade, counterfeit currency, NK gangs and mafia in China. And they are also extremely concerned about NK nukes. It's the day-to-day headaches and heartaches that drove the nuke issue to the backburner.
    Why has Kim never met Xi then or China pushed for it, if all those things you said matter enough
    Last edited by Double Edge; 18 Mar 18,, 16:58.

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    • Trilaterals are difficult as it is to figure out.

      This one is a hexagon.

      720 permutations !!

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      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
        Why has Kim never met Xi then or China pushed for it, if all those things you said matter enough
        China never pushed for a Xi-Kim meeting. Xi has summoned Kim to kowtow before him. Kim wisely sent his ambassador instead.
        Chimo

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        • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
          China never pushed for a Xi-Kim meeting. Xi has summoned Kim to kowtow before him. Kim wisely sent his ambassador instead.
          Fine but still no Kim - Xi meet. And these two are supposed to be on the same side

          How long has Kim been in charge ? 7 years

          Xi ? 5 years

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          • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
            Fine but still no Kim - Xi meet. And these two are supposed to be on the same side
            Says who? KJU purged his country of pro-Chinese elements, including feeding his pro-China uncle to the dogs.
            Chimo

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            • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
              Says who? KJU purged his country of pro-Chinese elements, including feeding his pro-China uncle to the dogs.
              China helps keep the lights on. Allows NK to live. Selfish motivations but doesn't it count for anything

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              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                China helps keep the lights on. Allows NK to live. Selfish motivations but doesn't it count for anything
                Simple. It's far cheaper and easier to keep North Koreans in North Korea. That is the main reason why both Beijing and Seoul don't want war. They want to keep the North Koreans in North Korea.

                This is to the point that when worst comes to shove, the 38 and 39 GAs will invade North Korea if the refugess exodus becomes unmanageable. The PLA will forcibly keep the North Koreans in North Korea.
                Chimo

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                • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                  Simple. It's far cheaper and easier to keep North Koreans in North Korea. That is the main reason why both Beijing and Seoul don't want war. They want to keep the North Koreans in North Korea.

                  This is to the point that when worst comes to shove, the 38 and 39 GAs will invade North Korea if the refugess exodus becomes unmanageable. The PLA will forcibly keep the North Koreans in North Korea.
                  Am asking this question in the context of a Xi - Kim meet up in peace time. Many years have passed.

                  Don't you find it odd it hasn't happened yet ?

                  Kim wants to meet with Trump who threatens war but not so interested with the guy next door
                  Last edited by Double Edge; 18 Mar 18,, 19:51.

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                  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                    Am asking this question in the context of a Xi - Kim meet up in peace time. Many years have passed.
                    Not really. Kim going to Xi is kowtowing and Kim ain't doing that. KJU maybe a god in North Korea but he's going to Xi with hat in hand begging for scraps. That's something that doesn't appeal to KJU.

                    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                    Kim wants to meet with Trump who threatens war but not so interested with the guy next door
                    Trump is treating him as an equal in this stage. KJU is one of 2 two people who can calm the Korean penisula. KJU does not enjoy the same clout with Xi.
                    Chimo

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                    • https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018...ht-across-dmz/

                      SK may be buying more Apaches and less tanks. Aims to be occupying Pyongyang within 3 weeks of start of conflict.

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                      • Russia has shown interest. Last August they flew a couple of their bombers right through a US - ROK exercise

                        Russian nuclear bombers fly near North Korea in rare show of force | Reuters | Aug 24 2017

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                        • Originally posted by citanon View Post
                          https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018...ht-across-dmz/

                          SK may be buying more Apaches and less tanks. Aims to be occupying Pyongyang within 3 weeks of start of conflict.
                          Reads like a Bridge Too Far scenario
                          Chimo

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                          • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                            Reads like a Bridge Too Far scenario
                            Sir, my thoughts too. However, I think what we are missing here is classified intel on the actual current condition of KPA. Could it be that KJU has hollowed out his conventional forces to fund the nuclear program? SK gov may have a big picture understanding that is changing their assessment of the situation.

                            However, if the above is true, this situation reminds me of what you've talked about our force posture VS Warsaw Pact in the 1970s. NATO goes nuclear immediately at the tactical level because conventional forces are totally outmatched.

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                            • Originally posted by citanon View Post
                              However, if the above is true, this situation reminds me of what you've talked about our force posture VS Warsaw Pact in the 1970s. NATO goes nuclear immediately at the tactical level because conventional forces are totally outmatched.
                              I don't think so. KJU does not trust his corps commanders with nukes and therefore already store his nukes in component form just in case anyone gets any ideas. He has to put them together first and that takes time, time he may not have.
                              Chimo

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                              • Originally posted by citanon View Post
                                Sir, my thoughts too. However, I think what we are missing here is classified intel on the actual current condition of KPA. Could it be that KJU has hollowed out his conventional forces to fund the nuclear program?
                                The problem to me, and maybe our military folks can back me up on this...
                                Even hollowed out, the Inmun Gun has a defensive advantage that boggles the mind, the natural and man-made terrain of North Korea.
                                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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