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    USS John S McCain Collision

    It seems the USS McCain collided with a merchant ship outside of Singapore in the early morning hours. Early morning, check. Container ship, check. Outside a major port, check. Crowded, check.

    Makes me wonder if something is being missed here in training?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/u...ore/index.html

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    Time for a safety stand down and review of PQS.

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    Beware of the trifecta ....

    Two USN ships involved ???
    Beware of the "trifecta".... I hope the event was not a recurrence of the earlier incident this year.

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    Actually, the third collision this year. In May the LAKE CHAMPLAIN hit a South Korean fishing vessel. Once is happenstance. Twice is a coincidence. Three times? Good chance someone above the level of the various ship's COs will get fired.

    I hope that the missing Sailors are recovered alive, but after this much elapsed time it will soon become a recovery effort versus a search.

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    Couple of more months and the Navy could be hard up for destroyers at this rate.

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    NPR reported that this is the fourth collision this year?

    Quote Originally Posted by JCT View Post
    Actually, the third collision this year. In May the LAKE CHAMPLAIN hit a South Korean fishing vessel. Once is happenstance. Twice is a coincidence. Three times? Good chance someone above the level of the various ship's COs will get fired.

    I hope that the missing Sailors are recovered alive, but after this much elapsed time it will soon become a recovery effort versus a search.
    Just what qualifies as a "collision in USN slang".... NPR radio quoted 4 collisions this year in the Pacific?

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    Called it right...

    Quote Originally Posted by JCT View Post
    Actually, the third collision this year. In May the LAKE CHAMPLAIN hit a South Korean fishing vessel. Once is happenstance. Twice is a coincidence. Three times? Good chance someone above the level of the various ship's COs will get fired.

    I hope that the missing Sailors are recovered alive, but after this much elapsed time it will soon become a recovery effort versus a search.
    The Navy cited a loss of confidence in Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoinís ability to command, the Associated Press reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post

    I like the simple last sentence. This incident will be investigated. Ya think!

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    Wonder and thoughts...

    As an "expert" sitting behind my PC monitor thousands of miles away on solid land I extend my thoughts and prayers to those sailors missing and their families who are in their own personal angst as I write.

    The prevailing thought that my mind turns to is what has changed and or perhaps broken in the USN school of navigation?
    Both as a pilot and ship's master navigating fairly busy TCA's and congested water ways the head on a swivel is "Rule 1" when operating and air or water craft.
    Please don't get me started on texting while driving.
    And yes my neck doesn't turn as well as when I started plowing the air /water ways several decades ago.

    I've my opinion of the "Next Gen" FAA control system replacing the "Post War VOR network" for navigating and will watch with interest as the track record builds for success.
    But my goodness ... USN DDG's being rammed or ramming large slow merchant vessels in open water?
    I'm in wonder.
    Last edited by blidgepump; 22 Aug 17, at 03:41.

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