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    True, but what is the intent of building a road there ? to extend what already exists isn't it.

    Use google earth to explore the area reported and tell me where the nearest existing Chinese road is ? I see Indian settlements there but not too many Chinese ones unless you go further up the river on their side

    If its a patrol that's something else but the article specifically mentioned road building. Unless the area mentioned isn't correct.

    But i've shown you at least four places mentioned and they are all in close proximity so i think i got the location right
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    We've decided to let 'em off lightly in the spirit of good neighbourly relations. With the proviso not to let it happen again

    Given them the benefit of the doubt because they don't know where the border is

    The reason for that is their representatives refuse to sit down with us and mark out where that border is, valley by valley, ridge line to the next and so on in that area

    So they have their maps and we have ours

    The line is to look at this separately and not to lump it in with their previous actions so as to reduce this China syndrome

    As for the troops at Doklam , the army chief said there has been a reduction of Chinese troops. No disagreeing comment from the Chinese side on this point
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    This is how the chinese edition of the Global WHINES reported it


    Jan 10 2018

    Our correspondent in India, Yi Jian

    Several Indian media reported on the 9th that “India and China avoided another confrontation between the two countries” when, three days ago, Indian and Chinese border personnel held meetings in “Arunachal Pradesh” (Southern Tibet region of China). Both parties agreed to settle the border dispute that took place in this area at the end of last year.

    Indian media earlier quoted sources as saying that around December 28 last year, villagers in the Sanglang area in Arubachal province of India discovered that a Chinese road building team had “intruded into Indian territory” with bulldozers. The Times of India reported on the 9th that the Indian Army Chief of Staff, Rawat, told reporters on the 8th that the incident has been resolved. The Chinese side agreed to stop road construction on the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control and the Indian side to return the seized Chinese excavators and other equipment. The website of the CNN-18 news network quoted government sources as saying that the incident was resolved amicably on the basis of negotiations conducted by the Commanders of the two forces.

    However, some print media were not so friendly. India Today continued to hype on the 9th that exclusive video footage it had shows that not only was there a civilian (private) road construction team involved in this “intrusion” but that the Chinese Government was fully aware of it. Prior to this, India’s New Delhi television station had quoted sources as saying that the Indian National Security Council Secretariat report showed that the incident was only an “inadvertent mistake by Chinese workers” and that no PLA personnel were involved.

    At the beginning of the new year, India added a new element of disequilibrium/instability to the not-so-quiet Sino-Indian border. Indian media reported that Indian Prime Minister Modi was likely to visit to “Arunachal Pradesh” early this year. On the 8th, after Rawat disclosed peaceful resolution of the isue between India and China, he (also) said that at present China has drastically reduced the force deployed in the Donglang area. However, in the future, India will need to combat more difficult terrain and complex environments and the military must prepare for this. India’s CNN-18 news network said that Rawat’s comments clearly pointed to China. He said that the Indian army needs large-scale modernization and that the army is prepared to introduce equipment and platforms manufactured by the Indian defense enterprises.

    China never recognisess the so-called “Arunachal” province. On the 9th, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, Lu Kang, pointed out in his Press Conference that “the Chinese side has drastically reduced its troop strength” in Dong Lang. According to the statement, the Dong Lang region has always belonged to China and has always been under its effective control and that there is no dispute about it. Chinese border guards patrolling and manning/defending posts is in exercise of their sovereignty rights and safeguarding of territorial sovereignty in accordance with the stipulations of historical conventions.
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    Couple of explainers





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    Who dunnit

    Five months on, understanding Doklam ‘disengagement’, a few other issues | IE | Jan 22 2018

    A couple of other questions can be answered more satisfactorily now. Who in the Chinese hierarchy ordered the extension of the track in Dolam from the point it had been constructed up to in 2003, to the Jampheri ridge? Was it President Xi Jinping, the general staff in the Central Military Commission, the Western Military Theatre Command, or the Tibetan Military Commander?

    Five months after the standoff ended, senior military commanders are certain that the track construction was ordered by General Zhao Zongqi, commander of the Chinese Western Theatre Command. General Zhao, who took over as Western Theatre Commander in February 2016 after being personally chosen by President Xi, had served in Tibet for over two decades, including as commander of 52 Mountain Brigade in the early 1990s.

    Even before the faceoff in Doklam, Chinese border troops had been telling Indian soldiers in daily interactions at multiple points on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) that General Zhao had walked each of these tracks with military patrols over 20 years, and had been rarely confronted by the Indians. As the Indian deployment has increased over the past decade, General Zhao is unwilling to accept the challenge to Chinese claims. Not only in Doklam, but also at other places on the LAC, they have attempted track construction, representing what a senior Indian military commander said was “an ego issue for General Zhao”.

    Another question that can now be answered: why did the disengagement not lead to a restoration of status quo ante, as with the Depsang and Chumar crises of 2013 and 2014? Diplomats who negotiated those two crises told The Indian Express that in both those cases, a written agreement was signed in Beijing, explicitly stating that status quo ante as on a date preceding the crisis would be restored. This was evidently not the case at Doklam, primarily because the faceoff was on territory that is disputed between Bhutan and China, and India-China bilateral mechanisms could not be readily applied.
    Zhao or no Zhao, the CCP did not object

    The Army had monitored the Chinese when they carried out the track alignment exercise in October and December 2016, and was prepared.

    The local Indian Brigade commander confronted the Chinese within 90 minutes of getting orders, and 450 soldiers were deployed in the next 12 hours to stop the track construction. No political constraints were put on the military commanders, and there was no physical contact between the sides during the faceoff.

    The resolve India displayed in deploying in another country’s territory took the Chinese completely by surprise — and they had no plan for this eventuality. The Army did not flinch even when the Chinese replaced their border guarding troops with Special Forces soldiers and high-end ISR equipment, and remained unaffected by the Chinese propaganda over loudspeakers at the site. No intelligence was available to the field commanders prior to or during the faceoff, and that could be detrimental at other places on the LAC where the Chinese have walk-in options.
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