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    They call it a standoff, looks like a sit-in



    Cannot tell if is real Indian if he doesn't wear a turban : D


    Beijing paper admits Chinese troops ‘camping’ on Doklam | Asia Times | Dec 11 2017

    Beijing hasn't denied fresh accusations from Indian media that PLA troops have returned to the border area, and have shown no intention of leaving

    Two helipads, a dozen prefabricated homes and even shops are among the permanent structures that have been erected there, according to Indian newspapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Punitive, enough so India does not think of taking over Tibet.
    That's not an OPOBJ.

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    The other two ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    The other two ?
    If you're talking settle the border by force and smash an Indian advance, then history states that those were not the desired OPOBJs. Firstly, the border issue is not settled and the Chinese attacked first instead of waiting to receive an Indian attack. That leaves a pre-emptive attack in which the desire is to surround an enemy formation and destroy it before withdrawing to safety.

    But then, the LOC should not have collapsed, ie the advance should not have gone as far as it did. Chinese forward points were vulnerable to an Indian counter-attack. By all accounts, the Chinese did not established defensive points (ie, minefields) which was needed to even protect a withdrawl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    If you're talking settle the border by force and smash an Indian advance, then history states that those were not the desired OPOBJs. Firstly, the border issue is not settled and the Chinese attacked first instead of waiting to receive an Indian attack. That leaves a pre-emptive attack in which the desire is to surround an enemy formation and destroy it before withdrawing to safety.
    ok, so pre-emptve then, they killed quite a few and took the remainder prisoner

    But then, the LOC should not have collapsed, ie the advance should not have gone as far as it did. Chinese forward points were vulnerable to an Indian counter-attack. By all accounts, the Chinese did not established defensive points (ie, minefields) which was needed to even protect a withdrawl.
    Don't understand the underlined bit.

    What i understand you said is the LOC's did collapse, why i don't know given the logistics support. If they did collapse then they wouldn't have been able to continue for the three weeks or so the conflict lasted

    So why have you said their LOC's collapsed in the first place. you're the only one i know who says this.

    By the time India could mount a counter attack, it was over. They decided when it started and ended. No need to establish defensive points because no counter attack was possible. Given India's lack of action after, it should have been very clear to the CCP there were no expansionist designs to begin with

    Or is that your point. lt ended as quick because they lacked the resources to continue because their LOC's collapsed and called it a day. This means you think they had more in mind or should have given what Mao said but had to settle for less
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    What logistics support? You're just touting numbers, not assets. That 45,000 were nothing more than human mules. Real mules would have been better. How much can one man carry and for how long in that mountain range?

    The Chinese anticipated that the Indians would have put up a much better and organized fight. Instead they chased the Indians further into India than they should have and stretched their LOCs beyond their breaking points.

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    Aww, so cute



    Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi has said India and China's strategic interests outweigh "partial frictions",

    Tell that to the boys on the border Wang Yi : |

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    What logistics support? You're just touting numbers, not assets. That 45,000 were nothing more than human mules. Real mules would have been better. How much can one man carry and for how long in that mountain range?

    The Chinese anticipated that the Indians would have put up a much better and organized fight. Instead they chased the Indians further into India than they should have and stretched their LOCs beyond their breaking points.
    Hehe, if all wars could end like this : D

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    The Chinese anticipated that the Indians would have put up a much better and organized fight. Instead they chased the Indians further into India than they should have and stretched their LOCs beyond their breaking points.
    Not that India had this idea but the Russians have used space to lure armies in to stretch their LOCs to breaking point and attacker becomes exhausted. Then move in and push them out of Russia

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