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  • Xi imprint on PLA delegates to the party’s 19th Congress | Sunday Guardian | Oct 7 2017

    Chinese President and Military Commission Chairman Xi Jinping’s imprint is clearly visible on the list of the 253 delegates selected by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to represent it at the 19th Congress of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) scheduled to open in Beijing on 18 October 2017.

    Coinciding with the release of the list of PLA delegates on 6 September 2017, China’s authoritative official news agency Xinhua clarified that the candidates from among whom the delegates were selected by members of the CCP in the PLA had been approved by Xi Jinping in May 2017, or more than three months earlier and well before the face-off with India on the Doklam plateau began.

    This confirms that Xi Jinping had decided to replace General Fang Fenghui as Chief of the Joint Staff Department under the Central Military Commission (CMC) and General Zhang Yang, former Director of the PLA’s General Political Department, with his nominees much earlier.

    It also confirms that reports claiming that Fang Fenghui had been removed because he was opposed to the withdrawal of troops from the over 70-day long face-off with India on the Doklam Plateau are without basis.
    That's that little canard put to rest

    Similarly interesting is the inclusion among the delegates of Major General Liu Geping, Commander of the PLA Ali Military Sub-District under the Western Theatre Command.

    Liu Geping was Commander of the Ali Military Sub-District in April 2013 and again in September 2014, when PLA troops carried out extended intrusions into the Depsang plains and Chumar, both in Ladakh.

    In April 2013, the intrusion, and ensuing stand-off, was called off just days before the arrival of Chinese Premier Li Keqiang in India. The intrusion by PLA troops at Chumar in Ladakh coincided and continued till well after Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit to India in September 2014.

    Liu Geping’s promotion as Major General and listing as a delegate suggest his career is on track and dismiss reports that these and similar intrusions do not have the approval of Xi Jinping and the CMC.
    Yep, no such thing as rogue PLA commanders

    Ninety per cent of the PLA and PAP delegates are new
    Quite the change

    The failure of Fang Fenghui and Zhang Yang to make the list of the PLA delegates when other CMC members due to retire at the upcoming 19th Congress, like Chang Wanquan, Wu Shengli, Ma Xiaotian and Fan Changlong are included, lends credence to reports circulating since mid-August that the two are under investigation on charges of corruption.
    As DOR said
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    • China goes gaga over Nirmala’s namaste to PLA soldiers on LAC
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      • Second installment and its more clear now what her intent was



        Unusual move for an Indian minister. Shades of Modi in it even

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        • Not convinced

          Did China use water as a weapon in the doklam standoff? | WOTR | Oct 4 2017

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          • This topic just refuses to die

            Talk Point: Was the Doklam standoff resolved in reality or will tensions flare-up again? | The Print | Oct 27 2017

            A few opinions there

            Key point is the dispute hasn't concluded, yet
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            • The article is not alarming in the short term, however it is coercive Chinese tactic that failed.

              #1. China shared hydrological data with Bangladesh.
              #2. One has to be stupid to offer an explanation that they were upgrading and renovating the monitoring stations during monsoon. Upgradation and renovation are off-monsoon tasks to be completed before the onset of monsoon, to capture data during monsoon. Data capture, measurement and analysis are the purpose these stations are set up in the first place.
              Last edited by Oracle; 29 Oct 17,, 15:37.
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              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                This topic just refuses to die

                Talk Point: Was the Doklam standoff resolved in reality or will tensions flare-up again? | The Print | Oct 27 2017

                5 opinions there

                Key point is the dispute hasn't concluded, yet
                Guard Chinese soil, Xi Jinping tells Tibetan herdsmen from Arunachal border

                Their economy is 5 times of India, conventionally they are superior, but it seems they have a hard time sleeping. Paranoid and insecure nation. Always think someone is out there to get them.
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                • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                  The article is not alarming in the short term, however it is coercive Chinese tactic that failed.

                  #1. China shared hydrological data with Bangladesh.
                  #2. One has to be stupid to offer an explanation that they were upgrading and renovating the monitoring stations during monsoon. Upgradation and renovation are off-monsoon tasks to be completed before the onset of monsoon, to capture data during monsoon. Data capture, measurement and analysis are the purpose these stations are set up in the first place.
                  Imagine China shared the information. How would that help in the face of the deluge we had.



                  The brahmaputra is 80% rain fed after it enters Arunachal

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                  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                    Imagine China shared the information. How would that help in the face of the deluge we had.



                    The brahmaputra is 80% rain fed after it enters Arunachal
                    It's like an early warning system. It can help in disaster preparations, evacuations etc. But you raise an interesting point. India should have a monitoring station at the tip where the Brahmaputra enters Arunachal, and some more downstream. If hydrological data sharing is going to be a sore point in the future, we might as well use technology and a little commom sense and develop some stations inside our land. You see, common sense in our part of the world is uncommon.

                    Can't see the map you posted, and I am also not sure if we have hydrological stations there. Common sense says, we probably do not. ;-)
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                    • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                      But you raise an interesting point. India should have a monitoring station at the tip where the Brahmaputra enters Arunachal, and some more downstream. If hydrological data sharing is going to be a sore point in the future, we might as well use technology and a little commom sense and develop some stations inside our land. You see, common sense in our part of the world is uncommon.

                      Can't see the map you posted, and I am also not sure if we have hydrological stations there. Common sense says, we probably do not. ;-)
                      Right, so one wonders as to the value of China sharing hyrdrological data with Bangladesh which is much further downstream..

                      How is that information relevant to Bangladesh, if you follow my train of thought shouldn't the Banglas be more reliant on us as the upper riparian for that data

                      If Arunachal is where the Brahmaputra swells then dams have to be built there but can't be due to China's opposition. Can't build dams further downstream as the Banglas get upset. As it is with China building dams on the Yarlung India started making noises. China will divert the river before it enters Arunachal which is physically impossible, even for the Chinese. The topic is over politicised because transboundary agreements are lacking and water management at the govt level is poor.

                      So the river gets to do what it likes

                      Water resource competition in the Brahamputra | CNA | May 2016
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                      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        Right, so one wonders as to the value of China sharing hyrdrological data with Bangladesh which is much further downstream..

                        How is that information relevant to Bangladesh, if you follow my train of thought shouldn't the Banglas be more reliant on us as the upper riparian for that data

                        If Arunachal is where the Brahmaputra swells then dams have to be built there but can't be due to China's opposition. Can't build dams further downstream as the Banglas get upset. As it is with China building dams on the Yarlung India started making noises. China will divert the river before it enters Arunachal which is physically impossible, even for the Chinese. The topic is over politicised because transboundary agreements are lacking and water management at the govt level is poor.

                        So the river gets to do what it likes

                        Water resource competition in the Brahamputra | CNA | May 2016
                        I forgot one key point. Rivers that originate in Tibet are glacier fed, and also there is subsequent amount of rainfall on China's side of the boundary too. Summer starts, and the glaciers start to melt, feeding the mighty Brahmaputra. Then comes monsoon, which is extra water. For centuries silt has not been dredged, so the river cannot hold the monsoon water and overflows its banks, thereby flooding villages causing loss of human life, death of livestocks, crops get inundated and wasted.

                        Now, when China shares its hydrological data with Bangladesh, it gives the authorities in Bangladesh enough time to plan. By the time the Brahmaputra enters India and traverses along its course, depending on the rainfall, it either slows down or flows above the danger mark, thus again helping Bangladesh, this time, to prepare in the shortest time possible. Bangladesh gets enough time for preparation, while India gets less time.

                        Monitoring stations on the tip of Arunchal will help India, but not to the extent of China sharing hydrological data from their side of the border. You do know how severe monsoon is in the NE, so China has to open its floodgates and let excess water go, or the dam bursts. Without getting hydrological data from China, or how much water their dams would be releasing, India walks blind and does whatever it can to minimize casulties.

                        So DE, observers are right that China uses this kind of tricks to coerce Nations they do not get alongwith. India can be better prepared by leveraging the better use of technology and satellite data. Feed legacy rainfall data for the last 50 years and analyze it. This India can do and be better prepared.

                        As about dams, China can go cry a river, but we are going ahead with building as many as 4 in Arunachal Pradesh alone. Maybe more.
                        Last edited by Oracle; 31 Oct 17,, 02:24.
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                        • China set to block Masood Azhar ban defying US, India

                          The myth of the peaceful rise of China is false and have been known much earlier. Now, it is also in the open how China supports rouge terrorist countries and it's terrorist groups, and this is not the first time China has done it. I don't know how in the long term it would gain China, but I do know they are sowing seeds of hate and contempt in a billion plus Indian population. Not the right way to go about it when they cry about Tibet & Taiwan once in a month.
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                          • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                            As about dams, China can go cry a river, but we are going ahead with building as many as 4 in Arunachal Pradesh alone. Maybe more.
                            Can ignore the Chinese but what about local opposition to dams







                            Damming Northeast India
                            Juggernaut of hydropower projects threatens social and environmental security of region

                            ‘Green’ development and democracy? Hydropower in Northeast India | Entitle Blog | Aug 16 2016


                            Why Building India’s Largest Dam Is Destroying The Idu Mishmi Tribe Of Arunachal Pradesh | NE Buzz | Aug 14 2015
                            Keeping in mind the downstream effects, which include those on fisheries, agricultural lands and wetlands, this project will affect thousands of livelihoods. The dam will also increase the vulnerability of the region to flash floods and will put many villages in danger and will cause huge loss of lives and property not only in Arunachal Pradesh but also in Assam. The downstream region of Assam has been very vocal on the subject, especially in relation to the dam, which is going to be built in the Lower Subansiri District in Arunachal Pradesh. There has been constant protest in Assam led by All Assam students Union (AASU) and the Krishak Mukti Sangram Samiti (KMSS), turning the issue into a key issue in the state elections of 2011.
                            Another very unshakable fact is that the whole of the North-east region resides in an extremely high seismic zone, adding more threats not only to the upper course of the river, but also to the lower course of the Assam plains, as there lies the danger of flooding. This region has a history of several seismic activities like the Great Assam earthquake in 1950 and 1987 with a magnitude of 8.6 and 7.1 respectively. If an earthquake were to hit the region, this would risk many villages and vast areas of forests downstream of catastrophic submergence.
                            The opposition is primarily against big dams not all dams. They propose small dams instead

                            The solution to energy deficiency lies not in building huge dams but in small dams, as there is a global consensus among experts that large dams are not environmentally sustainable. Mini hydel projects below 25 MW are not only sustainable, but are also a vital strategy against transmission losses. Small dams need to be built with the commensurate needs of the immediate vicinity first and foremost, and then perhaps the transmission of the power could be pondered upon. The abysmally low rates of rural electrification of North-east states are the case in point and it is far below the national average of rural electrification. Owing to the high seismicity, adequate care should be taken that these dams are not storage dams but rather run-off river dams, wherein the former poses a grave risk of flooding downstream, as the latter relatively does not disturb the volume of river flow. However, the answer solely does not lie in the technocratic solutions, as state governments should reach out at a personal level to all the communities and the potential victims, who will be affected by the construction of the dam.
                            And how efficient is that going to be. It will serve local needs but be unable to generate much more s it won't be an income earner like the ones in Bhutan

                            Lot more than 4 dams here

                            By 2010 Arunachal Pradesh had awarded contracts for construction of 130 large hydropower projects on all of its rivers, mostly to private companies. The figure has risen to around 170 since then


                            Land is politicised

                            Water is politicised

                            Development is politicised

                            Everybody is finger pointing

                            Welcome to the real world ☹
                            Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Oct 17,, 15:41.

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                            • That's one way to tackle the growing trade imbalance between the two countries, it also influences China's policy towards India

                              Led by Chinese, nearly 600 companies line up $85 billion investments in India | ET | Oct 16 2017

                              One of the world's leading engineering machinery manufacturers, China's Sany Heavy Industry plans an investment of $9.8 billion. Amazon, along with several other Chinese companies — Pacific Construction, China Fortune Land Development and Dalian Wanda — are each planning investments of more than $5 billion during this period.

                              Most of the investment proposals are from China at 42 per cent , followed by the US at 24 per cent and the UK at 11 per cent .

                              Energy and waste management have received the highest investment interest followed by construction and ecommerce.

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                              • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                                I forgot one key point. Rivers that originate in Tibet are glacier fed, and also there is subsequent amount of rainfall on China's side of the boundary too. Summer starts, and the glaciers start to melt, feeding the mighty Brahmaputra. Then comes consoon, which is extra water. For centuries silt has not been dredged, so the river cannot hold the monsoon water and overflows its banks, thereby flooding villages causing loss of human life, death of livestocks, crops get inundated and wasted.

                                Now, when China shares its hydrological data with Bangladesh, it gives the authorities in Bangladesh enough time to plan. By the time the Brahmaputra enters India and traverses along its course, depending on the rainfall, it either slows down or flows above the danger mark, thus again helping Bangladesh, this time, to prepare in the shortest time possible. Bangladesh gets enough time for preparation, while India gets less time.

                                Monitoring stations on the tip of Arunchal will help India, but not to the extent of China sharing hydrological data from their side of the border. You do know how severe monsoon is in the NE, so China has to open its floodgates and let excess water go, or the dam bursts. Without getting hydrological data from China, or how much water their dams would be releasing, India walks blind and does whatever it can to minimize casulties.

                                So DE, observers are right that China uses this kind of tricks to coerce Nations they do not get alongwith. India can be better prepared by leveraging the better use of technology and satellite data. Feed legacy rainfall data for the last 50 years and analyze it. This India can do and be better prepared.

                                As about dams, China can go cry a river, but we are going ahead with building as many as 4 in Arunachal Pradesh alone. Maybe more.
                                Maybe you will be the one that is 'crying a river, "if we change our mind and divert water from the Brahmaputra for our south north project.

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