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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigan_Guy View Post
    They found the missing crewmen in a flooded berthing compartment :(
    RIP Sailors , RIP , another 7 to the green fields , salute . My condolences to their kin .


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    My god how could this have happened. RIP.

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19913U

    First paragraph excerpted from the linked news story:

    "Nearly an hour elapsed before a Philippine-flagged container ship reported a collision with a U.S. warship, the Japanese coastguard said on Monday, as investigations began into the accident in which seven U.S. sailors were killed..."
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    Interesting. That hour roughly puts it to that point where ACX Crystal stopped trundling around after stopping and instead went for the port.

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    perhaps the compass was not working on the Tug?

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    ... and a tugboat guiding it while it towed them?
    The tug's compass / GPS was not working, also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blidgepump View Post
    The tug's compass / GPS was not working, also?
    Japanese tugboat, may have been language issues

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    and so it begins ......

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    Japanese tugboat, may have been language issues
    Language or ????? This begins the inquiry process of "discovery"....

    There was nobody on the bridge of a cargo ship when it struck the USS Fitzgerald on Saturday claims one defense expert, as the US Navy and Japanese authorities clashed over the timing of the fatal accident.

    As the official investigation over who is to blame for the collision which claimed the lives of seven US Navy sailors got off to a shambolic start, an expert with defense industry bible Janes said that the ACX Crystal was likely operating on autopilot and the crew was asleep.

    And while the US Navy faces embarrassing questions over how one of their advanced $1.5bn warships was struck in near perfect visibility, it emerged that American officials are claiming the collision occurred nearly one hour after the Japanese Coast Guard say it did.

    'I suspect, from the data, that the ACX Crystal was running on autopilot the whole time, and nobody was on the bridge. If anyone was on the bridge, they had no idea how to turn off the autopilot,' said Steffan Watkins, an IT security consultant and ship tracking analyst for Janes Intelligence Review, to DailyMail.com.


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    Plot .....

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...itzgerald.html

    Loran never offered this feature....

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    Yeah, it will be interesting to see the causes of this tragedy. The USN is now agreeing that 0130 is roughly the time of the collision. The ACX Crystal started to maneuver radically right after this and then probably looped around to provide assistance (my guess.)

    ArsTechnica has an interesting run down of AIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blidgepump View Post
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    Interesting editorial.

    The author makes several cogent point. However, as I was not a naval officer, I cannot claim for the veracity.

    The one line that struck me was the comment that the USN uses yards for distance as opposed to NM. And that makes perfect sense from a weapons point of view.

    http://gcaptain.com/uss-fitzgerald-fault/

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    Well if this becomes the public record it will appear that we have a name for a new Destroyer (Gary Rehm).
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-sail...200434952.html

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    An update that indicates that a call for help was delayed.
    https://news.usni.org/2017/06/21/inv...l-reached-help

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    A perspective by a former commander of an Aegis class destroyer

    https://warontherocks.com/2017/06/ho...isions-at-sea/

    From 2004 to 2006 I commanded USS Bulkeley (DDG 84), a ship very much like the Fitzgerald, and during the rest of my 21-year Navy career I spent a good bit of time at sea. I have never been involved in a collision, but I have been in very tight situations which, had my ship or the other not properly responded, could have resulted in one. During my career, on the rare occasions in which Navy ships were involved in collisions, voluminous lessons learned were promulgated. We studied these incidents and incorporated them into our training. In virtually every instance, decisions made by fallible human beings were contributing factors. I hope to add to a common understanding of these factors....

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