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    30 confirmed dead .There will be more as 70 are unaccounted for .

    Mods can you make a new thread for this as its nowt to do with manchester , cheers .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    30 confirmed dead .There will be more as 70 are unaccounted for .

    Mods can you make a new thread for this as its nowt to do with manchester , cheers .
    Or we could rename this thread again and call it the Major British disaster thread....everybody can type in red ink to give it more potency.... Help to add to the general sense of hysteria, 24hr lets keep talking complete media bollox shite oh lets repeat ourselves and find another victim just to milk the time slot ..........is it me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Fire should not spread like that If the building regs were followed. Somebody is for the high jump....not only do these buildings have a fire sprinkler system. Materials used in construction should help contain a fire. The cladding looks suspect
    Turns out buildings of this age do not have a sprinkler system. Why not is beyond me. Its standard practice for a hotel or office block to be fitted with one. How a fridge freezer sets a light and then after the fire brigade put it out somehow manages to find its way outside and light the Cladding is questionable, unless the insulation is dodgy also. Materials used will be covered under the Building standards. So if the council authorized a contractor to carry out building works. It is for the contractor to acquire materials in compliance with Building standards. I'm not quite sure how the Council would be at fault for accepting a cheaper quote as building standards should apply regardless. Coming back to that Fridge fire, I'm interested in knowing what refrigerant was in that Fridge, Was it R600a and was it a factor in the fire. R600a is an Isobutane and highly flammable. Due to protocols signed at Kyoto and Paris we now have to use refrigerants with an increasingly low GWP(Global Warming Potential). R600a is 4 on the scale Compared to R134a(which it is replacing)at 1430.

    Some more reading if you were unaware of what's in your brand new Fridge--


    As a refrigerant, isobutane has an explosion risk in addition to the hazards associated with non-flammable CFC refrigerants. Reports surfaced in late 2009 suggesting the use of isobutane as a refrigerant in domestic refrigerators was potentially dangerous. One refrigerator explosion reported in the United Kingdom was suspected to have been caused as a result of isobutane leaking into the refrigerator cabinet and being ignited by sparks in the electrical system.Although unclear how serious this could be, at the time this report came out it was estimated 300 million refrigerators worldwide use isobutane as a refrigerant.

    Substitution of this refrigerant for motor vehicle air conditioning systems not originally designed for isobutane is widely prohibited or discouraged, on the grounds that using flammable hydrocarbons in systems originally designed to carry non-flammable refrigerant presents a significant risk of fire or explosion.

    Vendors and advocates of hydrocarbon refrigerants argue against such bans on the grounds that there have been very few such incidents relative to the number of vehicle air conditioning systems filled with hydrocarbons


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobutane
    Last edited by Toby; 24 Jun 17, at 09:57.

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