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  • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
    It is not the job a prosecutor or any other judicial officer to exonerate anyone. Fake news.
    What is the job of a prosecutor? To prosecute? Mueller admitted the only reason why he did not prosecute Trump was because of a legal policy that a President in Office should not be put on trial. When asked if Trumpkin could be prosecuted after leaving office he replied "Yes." Enough said. Trumpkin would be in prison if he were not office; something you really have to change.

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    • Originally posted by snapper View Post
      What is the job of a prosecutor? To prosecute? Mueller admitted the only reason why he did not prosecute Trump was because of a legal policy that a President in Office should not be put on trial. When asked if Trumpkin could be prosecuted after leaving office he replied "Yes." Enough said. Trumpkin would be in prison if he were not office; something you really have to change.

      It was hypothetical question that would include any POTUS. It was not specific answer to the current President.

      If you insist it was question specifically about Trump, I await for Mueller to return after Trump leaves office to prosecute this dream case.

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      • Don't be absurd; the hearings were about Mueller's report in the 2016 election and Trumpkin's obstruction of justice. It was about your current criminal President.

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        • Meuller was a dud today for the Dems and was revealed to be nothing more than a front for a partisan hack job. His refusal to go after Mifsud, but ruin an American 3 star... His lying to Congress about not knowing who Fusion GPS was... His rewriting of the American legal system from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent. He did not have a good day and neither did the Dems. Even MSNBC is admitting today was a snoozer.
          Went over like a wet fart in church.

          https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...dems-portrayed
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          Fox News

          Tucker Carlson: The real Robert Mueller has been exposed - and he's not the superhero Dems portrayed

          Tucker: Democrats believed Robert Mueller would save America
          Robert Mueller testifies in front of the House intelligence and Judiciary Committees.

          "Never meet your heroes," the saying goes , "they'll only disappoint you."

          Democrats across the country learned it the hard way on Wednesday when former Special Counsel Robert Mueller testified on Capitol Hill. If you watch the other cable channels, you're probably accustomed to thinking of Robert Mueller as a kind of progressive superhero sent here from on high to do battle with the diabolical "Mr. Orange" on behalf of the forces of light and justice.

          Hollywood literally produced a comic book about Robert Mueller. That's how convinced they were of his power and goodness. Singlehandedly, Robert Mueller was going to save America.

          And then came the long, sad spectacle of Wednesday's hearings.

          Here's the actual Robert Mueller caught without his cape and mask, squirming under the cold light of television cameras.

          Rep. Steve Chabot, R-Ohio: When discussing the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, you reference quote, "The firm that produced Steele recording," unquote, the name of that firm was Fusion GPS, is that correct?

          Robert Mueller, former Special Counsel: And you're on page 103?

          Chabot: 103, that's correct. Volume 2.

          Mueller: I'm not familiar with that -- can you --

          Chabot: It's not a trick question, it was Fusion GPS.

          Not familiar with Fusion GPS. Well, it turns out that if you're watching this show right now, you almost certainly know more about the Russia investigation than the man who led the Russia investigation. You know that Fusion GPS is the democratic oppo firm that paid Christopher Steele to produce the Trump Dossier. Fusion GPS is the reason we're talking about Russia right now. In fact, Fusion GPS is the reason we had a Mueller investigation in the first place. But of course, you knew that because you're paying attention.

          Somehow Robert Mueller himself did not know that. What does that say about Robert Mueller? Well, this isn't a medical program, so we're not going to speculate about it. What we can say for certain, though, is that Robert Mueller never should have been testifying before Congress on Wednesday. He didn't want to come. He came because Democrats forced him. They knew his condition. They were happy to exploit him anyway, and they did.

          To the left, the individual is always far less important than the mission. And the mission never changes -- acquiring political power. Watch the congenitally shameless Jerry Nadler of New York use Mueller as a kind of human backboard. Throw the question, get it back.

          Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee: The report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice, is that correct?

          Mueller: That is correct.

          Nadler: And what about total exoneration? Did you actually totally exonerate the President?

          Mueller: No.

          Nadler: Now, in fact, your report expressly states that it does not exonerate the President.

          Mueller: It does.

          Mueller did not exonerate the president. That was the headline on CNN today. Of course, it was the headline. And that was the point of asking the question in the first place -- to create a headline.

          Unmentioned was the fact that prosecutors don't exonerate anyone -- ever. Prosecutors charge people with crimes, or they don't. That's the full scope of their power. Only God exonerates. The whole thing was a dishonest word game.

          Moments later, in fact, Robert Mueller conceded that his was the first Justice Department investigation in history to claim that its unindicted subject was not exonerated.

          Rep. John Ratcliffe, R-Texas: Can you give me an example other than Donald Trump, where the Justice Department determined that an investigated person was not exonerated because their innocence was not conclusively determined?

          Mueller: I cannot -- but this as unique.

          Ratcliffe: Okay, well, you can't -- time is short. I've got five minutes. Let's just leave it at you can't find it because, I'll tell you why, it doesn't exist.

          That was probably the high point of the day for everyone -- everyone participating, everyone watching at home. Most of the rest of the time, it was depressing to watch. Mueller seemed deeply confused -- at times confused about why he was there. Repeatedly, he struggled just to hear the questions he was being asked. When he did hear them, his answer often revealed he was not familiar at all with the report that bears his name.

          Robert Mueller never should have been testifying before Congress on Wednesday. He didn't want to come. He came because Democrats forced him. They knew his condition. They were happy to exploit him anyway, and they did.

          It went on like this for more than six excruciating hours. We hope you were doing something else today. We can tell you, though, that over 200 times, Mueller simply declined to answer the question at all. Repeatedly, he said that critical questions central to the Russia investigation weren't in his purview.

          Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla.: Do you have any basis as you sit here today to believe that Steele was lying?

          Mueller: As I said before, and I'll say again, it's not my purview. Others are investigating what you address.

          Gaetz: So, it's not your purview to look into whether or not Steele is lying. It's not your purview to look into whether or not anti-Trump Russians are lying to Steele. And it's not your purview to look at whether or not Glenn Simpson was meeting with the Russians the day before and the day after you write 3,500 words about the Trump campaign meeting.

          CARLSON: So, given what we've already said about Mr. Mueller, we don't want to be cruel here. But we also want to be clear about what he is indicating.

          Mueller just told us that he doesn't know if Christopher Steele is lying about the basis of the entire Russia investigation. Nope, he doesn't know. And by the way, he doesn't care.

          Tucker Carlson Tonight – Wednesday, July 24Video
          Keep in mind, Robert Mueller is the very same man who, as of right now, is trying to send Roger Stone to prison for the rest of his life for telling minor and totally irrelevant lies, allegedly, that hurt no one. But he doesn't care to know if Christopher Steele is lying about the most important question in the investigation, to which he has dedicated two and half years of his life.

          It's enough to shake your faith actually. By the end of the day, even partisan Democrats had to admit that Mueller's testimony had been a complete debacle.

          At the very least, we now know the truth about Robert Mueller, a mysterious prosecutor with unchecked power revealed, at last, to be a daft old man blinking in the sunlight once his curtain was torn away. It was a sad coda to the long and ridiculous Russia saga -- an absurd story for certain, but not a harmless story. Hardly.

          This year's long charade deeply hurt this country. It corrupted our most important institutions and divided our people. But worst of all, it distracted all of us from our real problems, which are legion.

          Get in the car and drive five hours in any direction in this country. Stop frequently. Look around. How is America doing, do you think? Now, remember that all the sadness you just saw on your drive -- the drug zombies and the homeless people, the payday loan places, the boarded-up buildings, all the slow-motion disasters unfolding unmistakably all around us. All of that has been completely ignored for years in favor of some stupid invented story about Russian spies that never even made sense and didn't even happen.

          The ruling class did that. They did that to you as a distraction. They do not deserve to rule, that much is clear.

          Adapted from Tucker Carlson's monologue from "Tucker Carlson Tonight" on July 24, 2019.
          Last edited by troung; 25 Jul 19,, 22:39.
          To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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          • Originally posted by zraver View Post
            Meuller was a dud today for the Dems and was revealed to be nothing more than a front for a partisan hack job. His refusal to go after Mifsud, but ruin an American 3 star... His lying to Congress about not knowing who Fusion GPS was... His rewriting of the American legal system from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent. He did not have a good day and neither did the Dems. Even MSNBC is admitting today was a snoozer.
            Josef would be proud of you in knowing that what he discovered is still in use today in many places.

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            • Mueller Investigation entrapment cash is coming (back) to America.
              https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pap...-request-bills

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              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                Haha and the dirty kiwi is back : D

                I see the similarities with my own country. People wondered why earlier scams weren't being prosecuted and it turns out that there are important civil servants that have dirt on both sides so those people are kept and its business as usual just less blatant.
                Well, things are moving on, more than I expected.
                The OIG report outlined numerous cases of malfeasance, and of course Durham has taken over from Huber, meaning the will to prosecute is there.

                Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened,

                Durham knows the Trump campaign and transition team was spied upon via GP's FISA warrants.
                Durham knows these FISA warrants were issued based predominantly on the Clinton campaign so called 'dirty dossier''.
                Durham knows that the applications excluded specific evidence as to source and veracity.
                Durham Knows that Susan Rice's login was used to view/listen and disseminate numerous Trump and associate digital communications.
                Durham knows that Obama, in one of his last executive orders, had billions of NSA digital intercepts deleted.
                Also the complicity of the FISC in the form of Collyer is now deservedly under the spotlight, given the information given to her after the first application by Admiral Rogers in a personal briefing.
                Admiral Rogers, it should be noted, has been "willingly cooperating" with Durham for months. I'd bet it's more than just willing, it's insistent on Rogers part.


                All in all, I'm much more optimistic to see a couple of the conspirators hanging from a gibbet though I understand DC is more likely to use electricity.
                Even if nothing further transpires, I'm more than happy to raise a glass to Admiral Mike Rogers, American patriot and saviour of the west, for the next decade or two anyway.
                In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                Leibniz

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                • Oh, and of course Brennan and Comey are both undergoing questioning, with grand juries empanelled for each. Happy days.....
                  In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                  Leibniz

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                  • yet at the end of the day, it's Cohen, Gates, Papadoulos, Manafort, Stone, and soon Flynn in jail.

                    and i'll bet you a box of butter cookies neither Brennan or Comey are headed there....or Susan Rice...or HRC.
                    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                    • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                      yet at the end of the day, it's Cohen, Gates, Papadoulos, Manafort, Stone, and soon Flynn in jail.

                      and i'll bet you a box of butter cookies neither Brennan or Comey are headed there....or Susan Rice...or HRC.
                      It's not the end of the day though Asti.
                      Nevertheless, congratulations, thus far you've captured 5 pawns and are currently threatening a rook.

                      Meanwhile:
                      We have Moyer, Kleinsman, Strzok, Page, Pientka, McCabe and both Orr's, as well as both Comey and Brennan on simple perjury.

                      Getting people via procedural issues is easy, even you guys can do it, as evidenced by your list. Hanging people though is quite rightly a lot tougher.
                      We need all our pawns in a row for that one. You're probably right, we'll probably fail, but we don't know until we try, and both are most certainly guilty of treason.

                      As for your tribe's predictive capabilities:

                      Trump will never win the primary.
                      Trump will never win the Presidency.
                      The dossier is true.
                      The FBI never wire tapped Trump.
                      The FBI never spied on Trump.
                      The Russians! worked with Trump.
                      Trump is a Russian! plant.
                      Trump wanted quid pro quo from the Ukraine.
                      To name but a few.

                      Tomorrow, when you all wake up, Trump will still rightly be the duly elected President of the United States of America.

                      Unless you shoot him of course: twouldn't surprise me a'tall.
                      Last edited by Parihaka; 27 Dec 19,, 05:22. Reason: Added Joseph Pientka to the list
                      In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                      Leibniz

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                      • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                        Durham knows the Trump campaign and transition team was spied upon via GP's FISA warrants.
                        You do know Carter Page was wrapped up in a previous Muscovite case where some Muscovites working for VTB Bank were expelled? And if you do not think Manafort was working with the GRU when his best mate was known "Kostya from the GRU" in Kyiv (to whom Manafort handed campaign info) then you're dreaming at best.

                        Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                        Durham knows these FISA warrants were issued based predominantly on the Clinton campaign so called 'dirty dossier''.
                        That would be the same Steele dossier started by Republican Freedom House done by Steele who is a pal of Ivanka Trumps?

                        Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                        Durham knows that the applications excluded specific evidence as to source and veracity.
                        With Carter Page and Manafort I could imagine many genuine reasons why FISA warrants might have been sought and granted.

                        Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                        Durham Knows that Susan Rice's login was used to view/listen and disseminate numerous Trump and associate digital communications.
                        That would be the Susan Rice that warned the White House that Flynn might not have told Pence the truth about his contacts with the Muscovite Embassy?

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                        • pari,

                          Nevertheless, congratulations, thus far you've captured 5 pawns and are currently threatening a rook.

                          Meanwhile:
                          We have Moyer, Kleinsman, Strzok, Page, Pientka, McCabe and both Orr's, as well as both Comey and Brennan on simple perjury.

                          Getting people via procedural issues is easy, even you guys can do it, as evidenced by your list. Hanging people though is quite rightly a lot tougher.
                          We need all our pawns in a row for that one. You're probably right, we'll probably fail, but we don't know until we try, and both are most certainly guilty of treason.
                          this isn't a goddamn political chess game-- those guys are in jail for legal crimes and not political ones. that's why Brennan and Strzok and Page and HRC et cetera won't be thrown in jail, because the US is not (yet) a banana republic.

                          this isn't China, the power you were hoping NZ could suck up to in 2012.

                          and finally, there's no "we" here, as you aren't a US citizen or a member of the Republican Party.
                          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                          • “Legal Crimes,” lol, like running guns to Mexican Cartels to spread death in effort to restrict Americans right to keep and bear arms? Then to obstruct and refuse to provide documents requested by Congress?

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                            • yawn, yes yes, what a discovery and crime, surely Eric Holder is rotting in jail.

                              oh wait, he's not. funny how that works.
                              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                              • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                                yawn, yes yes, what a discovery and crime, surely Eric Holder is rotting in jail.

                                oh wait, he's not. funny how that works.
                                Correct! A member of a protected (Democrat) class! Amazing how that works?!

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