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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    I guess Trump is just a sucker.
    He failed to clean out the White House, the State Dept. the FBI and CIA and ambassadorships of political career types.
    Obama on his first day fired all ambassadors and replaced them with his political appointees.
    Trump was very ill prepared to do combat at so many levels and has been playing catch up.
    Didn't many of them at state just quit. I kept hearing how there were like 800 positions vacant hen he entered office.

    From the little i've seen did not seem to affect the way the US handled foreign relations

    I have particular regard for the Asst. Sec State of South Asia, Alice Wells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Didn't many of them at state just quit. I kept hearing how there were like 800 positions vacant hen he entered office.

    From the little i've seen did not seem to affect the way the US handled foreign relations

    I have particular regard for the Asst. Sec State of South Asia, Alice Wells.
    That was his ignorance speaking. Ambassadorships are 70% career Dept. of State personnel and 30% are political appointees. Information is easily available from the American Foreign Service Association which seems to be too much trouble for some. Now, as with ALL Presidents, the political appointees submit resignations typically on the day the new President takes office. Obama actually kept on between ten to twelve after he took office for some time. Trump kept one on only for as long as it took the Ambassador's son to finish high school where he was stationed.

    DE you need to learn how to filter what you hear from some. This information was readily available, from credible sites, to those who wanted to look for it. It was a piece of cake for me and either much too difficult for surfgun or he was just plain not interested in the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    I guess Trump is just a sucker.
    He failed to clean out the White House, the State Dept. the FBI and CIA and ambassadorships of political career types.
    Obama on his first day fired all ambassadors and replaced them with his political appointees.
    Trump was very ill prepared to do combat at so many levels and has been playing catch up.
    Just a SUCKER?

    Ill-prepared?

    Did you just admit that Donald Trump is the fucking idiot that everyone not drinking his Kool-aid already knew him to be?

    He's more than merely a sucker. Or ill-prepared. But hey, you've got to start somewhere.

    And your admission says far more about the gullibility of Trump voters than does about Trump, even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Heh. Ya gotta admit, this explains things nicely
    Not really...unless you're claiming that Hemingway isn't a reliably pro-Trump commentator/defender"?
    Also, your deflection doesn't say a single word in defense of Trump, his twisted version of reality or the batshit conspiracy theories that he and his pet media companies traffic in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    I must say though, functionality-wise the board is much better than it was a couple of years ago :-) Well done you.
    Well thank you, much appreciated, but I can't take credit for that. It was Ironduke advising Astralis on some of the remaining settings still available to us, who then made the neccessary changes.

    Unfortunately Chris and Rochen seem to have vanished off the face of the Earth, which is why we're still lacking things such as a Like button.
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    The site has been working fine. Remember Choggy checked in after an absence and promptly left after viewing what remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    How about the Chicago Tribune? Are they too echo-chamber-conspiracy-theorist-alternative-facts-Orwellian-reality?

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    Welp my friend, unfortunately you're talking to a Chicago native (though thank god I left years ago) and I still have plenty of family and friends still there.

    So what you've posted is an Op-Ed from a typical right-wing blowhard, John Kass, published in the Chicago Tribune, a right-leaning newspaper, colloquially known to Chicagoans as simply "The Trib".

    To answer your question: In this case, yes, yes they are.

    Wait, you didn't just assume that the Trib was left-leaning, did you? Wrong Chicago newspaper. Next time try the Sun-Times

    Then there's Trump's own Justice Department that determined that, while there was some fuckery going on, the investigation itself was fundamentally justified:

    "We did not find any documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBI's decision to conduct these operations."

    So, yeah, so much Kass's "hoax". Because according to the Mueller Report that nobody on the Right wants to read: The Trump Campaign was willingly and gleefully in bed with Russia. But I'm sure that's not a big deal. Isn't it?

    We sure have come a long way since Mitt Romney drew derisive jeers for identifying Russia as America's biggest geopolitical foe.

    Ronald Reagan is probably rolling over in his grave right now....Never in a million years did I think I'd see sad and sorry shit like this.

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    Andrew McCabe admits being lied to the FBI. Yet the member of the protected class is not in jail. https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/andrew...-journal-leak/

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    Andrew McCabe admits being lied to the FBI. Yet the member of the protected class is not in jail. https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/andrew...-journal-leak/
    Still wondering what you think about Trump's lawyers (not the Dems, not the media) arguing in a court of law, not hypothetically, that Trump is immune from prosecution for the violation of any law.


    Surely that's the most protected of anybody, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Still wondering what you think about Trump's lawyers (not the Dems, not the media) arguing in a court of law, not hypothetically, that Trump is immune from prosecution for the violation of any law.


    Surely that's the most protected of anybody, no?
    God i hope you are able to charge rent.

    Trumps taken up about all the space in your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfng3569 View Post
    God i hope you are able to charge rent.

    Trumps taken up about all the space in your head.
    Let me get this straight: The President's lawyer, William Consovoy, has argued for a ruling in a court of law that he is completely immune from prosecution of any kind, for any crime, up to and including cold-blooded murder....


    ....and it doesn't bother you in the slightest. Rather, it's amusing that it concerns me so much?

    Is that correct?
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    Wray should make a list of who should go if he wants to keep his job.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi...p-russia-probe

    But he should walk the plank anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    Wray should make a list of who should go if he wants to keep his job.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi...p-russia-probe

    But he should walk the plank anyway.
    So why doesn't Trump just fire him outright? You know, drain the swamp and install someone better. Trump hires "only the best people"....right?
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    It may be time to put the FISA courts out to pasture if they can’t pull it together....
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fis...llance-reforms

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    Judge orders review of unredacted Mueller report, calls AG Barr's account 'misleading'

    WASHINGTON — A federal judge issued an order on Thursday for the Justice Department to release to the court an unredacted version of the Mueller Report, which contains the findings of former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into President Donald Trump and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    D.C. District Judge Reggie Walton also sharply criticized Attorney General William Barr, accusing him of making "misleading public statements" in advance of the release of the partially redacted version of the full report in April of 2019.

    Walton said the court had "grave concerns about the objectivity of the process," noting the timing of Barr's public statements and discrepancies with Mueller's findings.

    "These circumstances generally, and Attorney General Barr’s lack of candor specifically, call into question Attorney General Barr’s credibility and in turn, the Department’s representation that" the entirety of the redacted information in the report should be exempt from disclosure.


    The Justice Department had no immediate comment on the ruling.

    Ahead of the release of the redacted version of the report last year, Barr wrote a summary to Congress of the investigation, for which he was criticized along with statements he made as he released the report. Mueller also differed with the attorney general about Barr's characterization of the special counsel's principal findings.

    The George W. Bush-appointed judge wrote on Thursday that Barr's representation of the Mueller report had "inconsistencies" with the report itself, and that the court was "troubled" by the haste with which Barr released his initial letter before releasing the redacted report.

    The inconsistencies, Walton said, caused him to "seriously question whether Attorney General Barr made a calculated attempt to influence public discourse about the Mueller Report in favor of President Trump despite certain findings in the redacted version of the Mueller Report to the contrary."

    Walton determined that the court should conduct a private review of the Mueller Report to validate the Department of Justice's redactions and decide whether any information should be made public. The order is part of a consolidated Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by BuzzFeed's Jason Leopold and the Electronic Privacy Information Center.
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    Just when Trump and his crime family think they've got a body buried down deep, some damn pansy-ass liberal judge has the temerity to...oh, he's a Bush 43 appointee. That's awkward.
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    Court: House entitled to Mueller probe grand jury testimony

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department must give Congress secret grand jury testimony from special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday — giving the House a win in a separation-of-powers clash with the Trump administration.

    The three-judge panel said in a 2-1 opinion that House Democrats were entitled to the material as part of their ongoing investigation into President Donald Trump's conduct. The ruling upholds a lower court opinion from last year.

    In her opinion, Judge Judith Rogers wrote that because Mueller himself "stopped short" of reaching conclusions about Trump's conduct to avoid stepping on the House's impeachment power, " the Committee has established that it cannot 'fairly and diligently' make a final determination about the conduct described in both volumes of the Mueller Report 'without the grand jury material referenced' therein."

    The ruling softens the blow of a loss the House endured two weeks ago when judges on the same court said they would not force former White House counsel Don McGahn to testify before Congress. The split decisions leave neither the administration nor Congress with a clear upper hand in their inter-branch dispute.

    Even so, the practical impact of the decision is unclear.

    Though lawyers for the Democrats had said the grand jury material could be used for additional articles of impeachment against Trump, the Senate impeachment trial over the president's interactions with Ukraine ended weeks ago in an acquittal.

    The case is one of several disputes between the Trump administration and Congress that courts have grappled with in recent months.

    The two sides had been similarly at odds on the question of whether McGahn could be forced to testify about Trump's behavior during the Russia investigation. The appeals court ruled in a recent 2-1 decision that judges had no role to play in that dispute and dismissed the case.

    Grand jury testimony is typically treated as secret, in part to protect the privacy of people who are not charged or are considered peripheral to a criminal investigation. But several exceptions allow for the material to be turned over, including if it is in connection with a judicial proceeding.

    The House argued that the impeachment inquiry met that definition, and it sought copies of testimony referenced in Mueller's 448-page report on Russian election interference and potential obstruction by Trump. U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell sided with the House last October in ordering that the material be turned over.

    The Justice Department appealed that decision, with lawyers arguing that the material sought by the House had no relevance to the impeachment inquiry and that the House already had ample information about the investigation.

    Several dozen witnesses appeared before Mueller's grand jury, including former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
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