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    Quote Originally Posted by montgomery View Post
    Thank you for your opinion. Do you have something specific to refute from 'that' site?
    OOE already has. You get into truble quickly on this board for quoting anything from there. Best to avoid. You will learn over time that it isn't reliable and this means not defendable. You need that last bit to hold out here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    OOE already has. You get into truble quickly on this board for quoting anything from there. Best to avoid. You will learn over time that it isn't reliable and this means not defendable. You need that last bit to hold out here

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/org/index.html

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    I disagree but thank you for your opinion!

    Can you do a quick google search and give me the opinion on the same story from globalsecurity.org? I'm always interested in hearing differing opipions at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montgomery View Post
    The question certainly arises now on just how bad the report by Mueller is and how condemning it is of Trump?
    Bad ?

    I think Mueller did a throughly professional job refusing to be swayed by partisan politics

    The allegations were made thck & fast but he couldn't find anything to back them up.

    The man did his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montgomery View Post
    I disagree but thank you for your opinion!

    Can you do a quick google search and give me the opinion on the same story from globalsecurity.org? I'm always interested in hearing differing opipions at least.
    Yeah, disagreeing does not mean he's wrong. Start arguing facts and you will find out how secure your position is

    You won't find the same stories. All I'm saying you're less likely to get into hot water using them as a source. Or others but not that canadian site. Amazed that .ca site still exists after all these years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Bad ?

    I think Mueller did a throughly professional job refusing to be swayed by partisan politics
    I made that same point some time back and I agree totally. The Dems interpreted Mueller's work as biased toward their side and that will almost certainly be not the case. But I will also say that we'll find that the Mueller report will prove to be even more condemning of Trump than the Dems could have hoped for. I'm suggesting that Barr's info he's released so far is bullshit and nothing more than political spin to suit Trump. Barr is a totally corrupt and bought off lackey, as he amply demonstrate in his biased opinions on the Mueller investigation months earlier.

    The allegations were made thck & fast but he couldn't find anything to back them up.
    I disagree totally with that analysis and I will be happy to debate the issue further with you or any others.

    The man did his job.
    Yes, the mand absolutely did his job. But his report is being hidden from the American people.

    And also hidden from the world, which also needs to know. The effort will continue to keep it hidden and mostly because it's politically damaging to the US. The FBI are cops and they are doing their job the way cops should. I think Trump, the psychopath is beside the point. He'll be eliminated if the deep state finds it's necessary.

    It's far, far from over. The Dems now have a new bone in their teeth since yesterday or the day before. And they are sounding successful in counterspinning the early spin that Barr was able to fabricate.

    I'm always interested in your reasoned opinion!

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    I think montgomery is quite right in airing his views, to which he is entitled and those opinions mostly correct. RT is a valuable source as well as globalresearch.ca. Having spent some years here at WAB, I can say that montgomery depicts honesty, sincerity as well as intellect of the highest degree as evidenced from his posts. He needs some time and space to grow here, which WAB has given him. Montgomery asks tough questions as a newcomer which has baffled me, as I have never encountered someone so new, yet with such fresh ideas and opinions that stands the harshest of scrutiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    I think montgomery is quite right in airing his views, to which he is entitled and those opinions mostly correct. RT is a valuable source as well as globalresearch.ca. Having spent some years here at WAB, I can say that montgomery depicts honesty, sincerity as well as intellect of the highest degree as evidenced from his posts. He needs some time and space to grow here, which WAB has given him. Montgomery asks tough questions as a newcomer which has baffled me, as I have never encountered someone so new, yet with such fresh ideas and opinions that stands the harshest of scrutiny.
    Thank you so much for your opinion. I'm quite flattered.

    And I should also thank the forum for allowing my some of my opinions to be expressed here, considering that most are quite contradictory to that which is popular.

    I'll continue to attempt to voice my opinions in a polite way, regardless of the flack I receive. What is a forum without some opposing opinions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Yeah, disagreeing does not mean he's wrong. Start arguing facts and you will find out how secure your position is

    You won't find the same stories. All I'm saying you're less likely to get into hot water using them as a source. Or others but not that canadian site. Amazed that .ca site still exists after all these years.
    I would suggest that it's quite unfair to deny me the opportunity to present any and all sources of news I choose to reference. But of course I will abide by your rules until I'm told otherwise by a greater authority.

    Otherwise, thanks for your opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Yeah, disagreeing does not mean he's wrong. Start arguing facts and you will find out how secure your position is

    You won't find the same stories. All I'm saying you're less likely to get into hot water using them as a source. Or others but not that canadian site. Amazed that .ca site still exists after all these years.
    I would suggest that it's quite unfair to deny me the opportunity to present any and all sources of news I choose to reference. But of course I will abide by your rules until I'm told otherwise by a greater authority.

    Otherwise, thanks for your opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montgomery View Post
    I made that same point some time back and I agree totally. The Dems interpreted Mueller's work as biased toward their side and that will almost certainly be not the case. But I will also say that we'll find that the Mueller report will prove to be even more condemning of Trump than the Dems could have hoped for. I'm suggesting that Barr's info he's released so far is bullshit and nothing more than political spin to suit Trump. Barr is a totally corrupt and bought off lackey, as he amply demonstrate in his biased opinions on the Mueller investigation months earlier.



    Yes, the mand absolutely did his job. But his report is being hidden from the American people.

    And also hidden from the world, which also needs to know. The effort will continue to keep it hidden and mostly because it's politically damaging to the US. The FBI are cops and they are doing their job the way cops should. I think Trump, the psychopath is beside the point. He'll be eliminated if the deep state finds it's necessary.

    It's far, far from over. The Dems now have a new bone in their teeth since yesterday or the day before. And they are sounding successful in counterspinning the early spin that Barr was able to fabricate.

    I'm always interested in your reasoned opinion!
    I'm surprised at the bolded bits as i'd interpereted your earlier comment that the Americans were protecting their president to mean exactly the opposite.

    Trump's been given a clean chit as Indians like to say. He's been given a nice bath and is all clean is where i thought you were going. Meaning this so called investigation was a FIX.

    Anyway, the report will be released whenever those in power deem it is ready.

    I disagree totally with that analysis and I will be happy to debate the issue further with you or any others.
    I mean Mueller had to do his job in a very partisan atmosphere that was ready to dump Trump at the slightest opportunity. He's anti-establishment and the establishment hates him and wants him gone anyway possible. Trump sees his job is to kick over the tables of the money lenders in the temple. That kind of behaviour ends up getting you nailed to a cross sooner or later.

    Thought that goes through my mind is now that this witch hunt is over whether the next one initiated by Trump will begin ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    I'm surprised at the bolded bits as i'd interpereted your earlier comment that the Americans were protecting their president to mean exactly the opposite.
    Suffice to say that I am of the opinion that Mueller/the FBI, are more interested in damage control for their country than any other possible motive. Beyond that, I have my own theories on what has been reported by Mueller and is being kept hidden. If you have anything further then please do.

    Trump's been given a clean chit as Indians like to say. He's been given a nice bath and is all clean is where i thought you were going. Meaning this so called investigation was a FIX.
    Not in the least!!

    Anyway, the report will be released whenever those in power deem it is ready.
    I'm not familiar enough with the law in that country to say that with your degree of confidence. It's probably worth a discussion though so I'll just say to begin with that their Scotus is obviously totally corrupt. Is that the deciding factor?

    I tend to think that public opinion trumps any and all branches of US government, including the judicial. This explains the intense spin by Barr, and then the highly successful counterspin by the leftist media.

    Beyond that I will just suggest that the whole Trump house of cards is going to collapse sooner rather than later. No decent nation's people can possiibly tolerate a psychopath as their president for long.


    I mean Mueller had to do his job in a very partisan atmosphere that was ready to dump Trump at the slightest opportunity
    Where could you be getting that idea? So far at least the spin is telling us that Mueller acted in a non-partisan way. Didn't you claim that yourself?

    Thought that goes through my mind is now that this witch hunt is over whether the next one initiated by Trump will begin ?
    When you call it a witchhunt I hear that as saying that Mueller took the opportunites that came up to move against Trump's accomplices in crime. Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, and the others whose crimes were beyond Mueller's scope.

    Fwiw, I am of the opinion that the Steele dossier was completely correct on the 'pissing whores' story. And that's far from all the 'goods' the report has on Trump.

    The illegality of Trump's behaviour will be trumped by public opinion and so that's why it's crucial to Trump's presidency that the entirety of the Mueller report be kept from the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montgomery View Post
    Suffice to say that I am of the opinion that Mueller/the FBI, are more interested in damage control for their country than any other possible motive.
    Can you explain what you mean by damage control ?

    If Trump was found otherwise it opens doors for people to remove him. This means things return to how it was, good for the establishment and the world that has only known a US like that ?


    Where could you be getting that idea?
    Their media. So obsessed with everything he says rather than what he does and then tracking policy he makes. What worked and what did not.


    So far at least the spin is telling us that Mueller acted in a non-partisan way. Didn't you claim that yourself?
    I'm not going on spin, when this investigation started i sensed it was a fake campaign just to assuage the losing party ie Dems.

    When you call it a witchhunt I hear that as saying that Mueller took the opportunites that came up to move against Trump's accomplices in crime. Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, and the others whose crimes were beyond Mueller's scope.
    They tried to go after Trump & his cronies. Now that round is over. Trump is going to go after Hilary and her cronies. Second witch hunt ?

    The illegality of Trump's behaviour will be trumped by public opinion and so that's why it's crucial to Trump's presidency that the entirety of the Mueller report be kept from the public.
    I expect it to be redacted with classified bits removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    I think montgomery is quite right in airing his views, to which he is entitled and those opinions mostly correct. RT is a valuable source as well as globalresearch.ca. Having spent some years here at WAB, I can say that montgomery depicts honesty, sincerity as well as intellect of the highest degree as evidenced from his posts. He needs some time and space to grow here, which WAB has given him. Montgomery asks tough questions as a newcomer which has baffled me, as I have never encountered someone so new, yet with such fresh ideas and opinions that stands the harshest of scrutiny.
    'Fresh ideas'? You must be kidding. He is quite literally regurgitating, often word for word, the most cliched views of the 'activist left'. Worse, he is trotting out a joke site like globalresearch and a Russian propaganda site as 'proof'. You can find exactly the same views in a thousand iterations all over the internet. It is about as 'fresh' as that bag of brown liquid you find in the bottom of the fridge several months after you left a lettuce there.

    I have read virtually all his posts and I am still waiting to hear something I haven't heard literally dozens of times before over the past 3 decades. No luck so far. Maybe if he is here long enough an original thought might slip out, but insulting the Colonel has never been the basis for a long or successful WAB life.


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    [QUOTE=Double Edge;1049610]Can you explain what you mean by damage control ?

    Yes of course I can. The FBI and Mueller's motives aren't political and especially not politically biased toward the Dems. Comey was just a good and honest cop and politically slanted toward the Repubs. Therefore, we have now learned that the Dems aren't getting what they hoped for out of the investigation. But everybody will get the truth on Trump's collusion with Russia and his attempts to obstruct justice if the report is finally released.

    If Trump was found otherwise it opens doors for people to remove him. This means things return to how it was, good for the establishment and the world that has only known a US like that ?
    I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make with that but I'm guessing I've already addressed it.



    Their media. So obsessed with everything he says rather than what he does and then tracking policy he makes. What worked and what did not.
    I don't rely on the US media for information and I suggest that you shouldn't either. Otherwise, you know my position on him being a very sick and dangerous psychopath with the potential to do immense damage to his country. My concern is how that could negatively effect the rest of the world.



    I'm not going on spin, when this investigation started i sensed it was a fake campaign just to assuage the losing party ie Dems.
    Oh, I'm quite sure it was on the part of the Dem party, but it wasn't that to Mueller.


    They tried to go after Trump & his cronies. Now that round is over. Trump is going to go after Hilary and her cronies. Second witch hunt ?
    That round is not over, it's just starting. And I hope that they can destroy Hillary and the Dem party too. I'll explain why I feel that way.

    We haven't had an opportunity to talk on the domestic side of US politics yet so I need to explain. The US government is completely corrupt and their system of capitalism is failing them. They call it the American way. I call it greedy and corrupt capitalism and I compare it to the world's happiest countries in which the social needs of the people are cared for. You can look up the 'happiest countries in the world easily with a google search. But in a nutshell they are countries that practice SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE CAPITALISM.

    THERE IS NOTHING WORTH SAVING OF THE U.S. POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT!

    Americans are incapable of understanding how that differs from 'socialism' or even communism. And so, their corrupt and greedy capitalism is not going to save the people. They will only sink lower and lower in comparison to the higher standards set by those happy countries.

    Trump, along with Bernie Sanders, promised the people that which they need in terms of social justice. World class health care is a prime example. But Trump lied! And the people weren't ready for the truth that Bernie offered.

    Just a few of my thoughts and we can continue to conversation if you care to on an appropriate thread.


    I expect it to be redacted with classified bits removed.
    I expect it to be kept a secret from the people as long as Trump can get away with it, but I still have confidence in the forces of good within that country to force it all out to the light of day. Regardless of the decision of their corrupt Scotus to keep it hidden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by montgomery View Post
    Can you explain what you mean by damage control ?

    Yes of course I can. The FBI and Mueller's motives aren't political and especially not politically biased toward the Dems. Comey was just a good and honest cop and politically slanted toward the Repubs. Therefore, we have now learned that the Dems aren't getting what they hoped for out of the investigation. But everybody will get the truth on Trump's collusion with Russia and his attempts to obstruct justice if the report is finally released.
    If i get this right you are saying the report being kept hidden is for damage control ? i didn't see what damage control you were trying to convey otherwise

    I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make with that but I'm guessing I've already addressed it.
    Trump gone isn't a crisis, its a cause for relief & celebration. I would imagine for those that don't like him or cannot comprehend him.


    I don't rely on the US media for information and I suggest that you shouldn't either. Otherwise, you know my position on him being a very sick and dangerous psychopath with the potential to do immense damage to his country. My concern is how that could negatively effect the rest of the world.
    Funny but i don't see much difference between your position and the US media position on Trump. Everybody wants to be his shrink.

    That round is not over, it's just starting. And I hope that they can destroy Hillary and the Dem party too. I'll explain why I feel that way.

    We haven't had an opportunity to talk on the domestic side of US politics yet so I need to explain. The US government is completely corrupt and their system of capitalism is failing them. They call it the American way. I call it greedy and corrupt capitalism and I compare it to the world's happiest countries in which the social needs of the people are cared for. You can look up the 'happiest countries in the world easily with a google search. But in a nutshell they are countries that practice SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE CAPITALISM.

    THERE IS NOTHING WORTH SAVING OF THE U.S. POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT!

    Americans are incapable of understanding how that differs from 'socialism' or even communism. And so, their corrupt and greedy capitalism is not going to save the people. They will only sink lower and lower in comparison to the higher standards set by those happy countries.

    Trump, along with Bernie Sanders, promised the people that which they need in terms of social justice. World class health care is a prime example. But Trump lied! And the people weren't ready for the truth that Bernie offered.

    Just a few of my thoughts and we can continue to conversation if you care to on an appropriate thread.
    The point i was trying to convey is the first witch hunt was bad enough. Now for Trump to start another will be a replay of the first.


    I expect it to be kept a secret from the people as long as Trump can get away with it, but I still have confidence in the forces of good within that country to force it all out to the light of day. Regardless of the decision of their corrupt Scotus to keep it hidden.
    I don't know if it will be made public or not. Maybe if enough people demand it.
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