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    Snapper and Troung: Please take this offline, PM or anywhere else
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    Is it correct that Manafort has been flipped? Confirmed. "Cooperation agreement".
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Is it correct that Manafort has been flipped? Confirmed. "Cooperation agreement".
    Looks like he flipped https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-e...lty-1536932667

    Tick-tock tick-tock...
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    A somewhat random observation:

    Besides a former employer of mine, there's someone else that Donald Trump reminds me of, but I couldn't put my finger on who until just a few days ago.

    Donald Trump is Colonel Nathan Roy Jessup USMC from A Few Good Men

    Kaffee: Jessup told Kendrick to order the code red, Kendrick did and our clients followed the order. The cover-up isn't our case - to win Jessup needs to tell the court members that he ordered the code red.

    Lt. Weinberg: And now you think you can get him to just say it?

    Kaffee: I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it. He eats breakfast 300 yards away from 4000 Cubans that are trained to kill him. And nobody's going to tell him how to run his unit least of all the Harvard mouth in his ******y white uniform.
    Replace the movie-specific details (Mueller is Kaffee, etc) with the current fiasco we're dealing with and there you have Trump.

    No wonder his lawyers would probably commit seppuku if he sits down with Mueller.
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    that's precisely it.

    remember that NBC interview when Trump said he fired Comey because of "this Russia thing", and not because of Rod Rosenstein's laughable justification that it was because Comey dealt with HRC unfairly?

    he's not even TRYING that hard, it's pretty funny how his own lawyers BEGGED him not to talk to Mueller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post

    he's not even TRYING that hard, it's pretty funny how his own lawyers BEGGED him not to talk to Mueller.
    Trump's supporters have sneeringly dismissed the possibility of Trump talking with Mueller, "because he'll catch in something petty and charge him with obstruction of justice"

    Oh. Yeah. "Something petty". Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Trump's supporters have sneeringly dismissed the possibility of Trump talking with Mueller, "because he'll catch in something petty and charge him with obstruction of justice"

    Oh. Yeah. "Something petty". Got it.
    When did POTUS lying under oath become something petty?
    Didn't seem that way in 1998-99 ... but, that was back when the GOP still had some shred of decency.
    Not a lot, but compared to today, at least some.
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    well...now we know who's suspect #1 for writing that letter...lol

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/u...amendment.html

    The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit.One week after the firing, Mr. Rosenstein met with Mr. McCabe and at least four other senior Justice Department officials, in part to explain his role in the situation...

    During their discussion, Mr. Rosenstein expressed frustration at how Mr. Trump had conducted the search for a new F.B.I. director, saying the president was failing to take the candidate interviews seriously. A handful of politicians and law enforcement officials, including Mr. McCabe, were under consideration.

    To Mr. Rosenstein, the hiring process was emblematic of broader dysfunction stemming from the White House. He said both the process and the administration itself were in disarray, according to two people familiar with the discussion.

    Mr. Rosenstein then raised the idea of wearing a recording device or “wire,” as he put it, to secretly tape the president when he visited the White House. One participant asked whether Mr. Rosenstein was serious, and he replied animatedly that he was.

    If not him, then Mr. McCabe or other F.B.I. officials interviewing with Mr. Trump for the job could perhaps wear a wire or otherwise record the president, Mr. Rosenstein offered. White House officials never checked his phone when he arrived for meetings there, Mr. Rosenstein added, implying it would be easy to secretly record Mr. Trump.
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    "I have nothing to do with Russia" part #776 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw

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    Manafort sentenced again (7.5yrs or so in total) and newly indicted in New York, Manhattan.

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    As Russia collusion fades, Ukrainian plot to help Clinton emerges

    BY JOHN SOLOMON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR
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    After nearly three years and millions of tax dollars, the Trump-Russia collusion probe is about to be resolved. Emerging in its place is newly unearthed evidence suggesting another foreign effort to influence the 2016 election - this time, in favor of the Democrats.

    Ukraine's top prosecutor divulged in an interview aired Wednesday on Hill.TV that he has opened an investigation into whether his country's law enforcement apparatus intentionally leaked financial records during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign about then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in an effort to sway the election in favor of Hillary Clinton.

    The leak of the so-called "black ledger" files to U.S. media prompted Manafort's resignation from the Trump campaign and gave rise to one of the key allegations in the Russia collusion probe that has dogged Trump for the last two and a half years.

    Ukraine Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko's probe was prompted by a Ukrainian parliamentarian's release of a tape recording purporting to quote a top law enforcement official as saying his agency leaked the Manafort financial records to help Clinton's campaign.



    The parliamentarian also secured a court ruling that the leak amounted to "an illegal intrusion into the American election campaign," Lutsenko told me. Lutsenko said the tape recording is a serious enough allegation to warrant opening a probe, and one of his concerns is that the Ukrainian law enforcement agency involved had frequent contact with the Obama administration's U.S. embassy in Kiev at the time.

    "Today we will launch a criminal investigation about this and we will give legal assessment of this information," Lutsenko told me.

    Lutsenko, before becoming prosecutor general, was a major activist against Russia's influence in his country during the tenure of Moscow-allied former president Viktor Yanukovych. He became chief prosecutor in 2016 as part of anti-corruption reforms instituted by current President Petro Poroshenko, an ally of the U.S. and Western countries.



    Unlike the breathless start to the Russia collusion allegations - in which politicians and news media alike declared a Watergate-sized crisis before the evidence was fully investigated - the Ukraine revelations deserve to be investigated before being accepted.

    After all, Ukraine is dogged by rampant corruption. It is a frequent target of Russian President Vladimir Putin's dirty tricks. And it is a country that, just last year, faked a journalist's death for one day, reportedly to thwart an assassination plot.

    But the chief prosecutor, a member of parliament and a court seemingly have enough weight to warrant serious scrutiny of their allegations and an analysis of the audio tape.



    Furthermore, the mystery of how the Manafort "black ledger" files got leaked to American media has never been solved. They surfaced two years after the FBI investigated Manafort over his Ukraine business activities but declined to move forward in 2014 for lack of evidence.

    We now have strong evidence that retired British spy Christopher Steele began his quest in what ultimately became the infamous Russia collusion dossier with a series of conversations with top Department of Justice (DOJ) official Bruce Ohr between December 2015 and February 2016, about securing evidence against Manafort.

    We know the FBI set up shop in the U.S. embassy in Kiev to assist its Ukraine/Manafort inquiry - a common practice on foreign-based probes - while using Steele as an informant at the start of its Russia probe. And we know Clinton's campaign was using a law firm to pay an opposition research firm for Steele's work in an effort to stop Trump from winning the presidency, at the same time Steele was aiding the FBI.



    Those intersections, coupled with the new allegations by Ukraine's top prosecutor, are reason enough to warrant a serious, thorough investigation.

    If Ukraine law enforcement figures who worked frequently with the U.S. embassy did leak the Manafort documents in an effort to influence the American election for Clinton, the public deserves to know who knew what, and when.

    Lutsenko's interview with Hill.TV raises another troubling dynamic: The U.S. embassy and the chief Ukrainian prosecutor, who America entrusts with fighting corruption inside an allied country, currently have a dysfunctional relationship.

    In our interview, Lutsenko accused the Obama-era U.S. embassy in 2016 of interfering in his ability to prosecute corruption cases, saying the U.S. ambassador gave him a list of defendants that he would not be allowed to pursue and then refused to cooperate in an early investigation into the alleged misappropriation of U.S. aid in Ukraine.

    Lutsenko provided me with a letter from the embassy, supporting part of his story by showing that a U.S. official did in fact ask him to stand down on the misappropriation-of-funds case. "We are gravely concerned about this investigation for which we see no basis," an embassy official named George Kent wrote to the prosecutor's office
    The ambassador "has spoken privately and repeatedly about her disdain for the current administration in a way that might call for the expulsion" of America's top diplomat in Ukraine, Sessions wrote.

    Such dysfunction does not benefit either country, especially when Russia is lurking around the corner, hoping to regain its influence in the former Soviet republic.

    Investigating what's going on in the U.S. embassy in Kiev, and whether elements in Ukraine tried to influence the 2016 U.S. election to help Clinton, are essential steps to rebooting a key relationship.

    John Solomon is an award-winning investigative journalist whose work over the years has exposed U.S. and FBI intelligence failures before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal scientists' misuse of foster children and veterans in drug experiments, and numerous cases of political corruption. He serves as an investigative columnist and executive vice president for video at The Hill.

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    "Russia collusion fades"

    Yeah, bull-fucking-shit it "fades". We haven't even seen the Mueller Report and it's still an inconvertible fact that multiple members of the Trump Campaign and Family met (and then later lied about) with known Russian nationals for the purpose of affecting the election.

    Or as well-known leftist Charles Krauthammer put it "Bungled collusion is still collusion".

    "This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks. This is an email chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself. A British go-between writes that there’s a Russian government effort to help Trump Sr. win the election, and as part of that effort he proposes a meeting with a 'Russian government attorney' possessing damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

    "It turned out to be incompetent collusion, amateur collusion, comically failed collusion. That does not erase the fact that three top Trump campaign officials were ready to play. It may turn out that they did later collaborate more fruitfully. We don’t know. But even if nothing else is found, the evidence is damning."


    We should investigate whatever the Clinton Campaign did to collude with Ukraine, there's no question about that. But it does not in any way, shape or form diminish or excuse what the Trump Family did...particularly when it's the Trump Family "running" this country right now.
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    Manafort is serving time in a US prison, he is still wanted for the crimes he committed in Ukraine. As for 'black ledgers'; that is the payments to Manafort made by Yanukovych's Party Of Regions, they came to light as a result of Ukrainian investigations into the thefts of Yanukovych, his family and his party. If the FBI "set up shop" in the US Embassy in Kyiv and request details of the Yanukovych investigation relating to Manafort it is in no way partisan to pass over Ukrainian findings; that is simply the law enforcement services of two countries working together to hinder tax evasion and money laundering, which they clearly successfully managed to do. Had there been 'secret back channels' between the SBU/Ukrainian Prosecutors Office and the Clinton campaign itself - as the Muscovites had with the Trump campaign - one could argue there was some equivalence but speaking to the FBI is vastly different from Manafort meeting with 'Kostya from GRU', or being his democrat counterpart running Clinton's campaign being in debt to some Ukrainian oligarch. Nor indeed was Clinton hoping to build a 'Clinton tower' in Kyiv.

    As for Lutsenko his reputation in Ukraine is abysmal. He got the job despite not having a law degree and is a Poroshenko tool.

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    Right out of Sarah Sanders playbook.

    Reporter: Can you tell us about the Presdient's .....
    Sanders: Oh, lookie over there...
    Reporter: Over where?
    Sanders: Over there by the big tree. Very big tree...
    Reporter: A big tree, so?
    Sanders: If you walk around behind the big tree you will see a little Hillary
    Reporter: On the juice again, I see...

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