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  • Originally posted by antimony View Post
    I for one am with you. I would even go ahead and say it would be fun to watch him fire Mueller. I can't wait for all of Trump's agenda to be implemented, ASAP, including the "mean" Healthcare agenda.
    Obamacare is an unfolding disaster... premiums and deductibles too high for me to use insurance. If I can't use it, why pay for it?

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    • Originally posted by zraver View Post
      Obamacare is an unfolding disaster... premiums and deductibles too high for me to use insurance. If I can't use it, why pay for it?
      I disagree. In the grand scheme of things, it's a huge breakthrough. It's brought single-payer systems into public discourse. Obamacare appears to me as a compromised solution to appease the conservatives. Conservatives must share the blame for its failings.

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      • Originally posted by zraver View Post
        Obamacare is an unfolding disaster... premiums and deductibles too high for me to use insurance. If I can't use it, why pay for it?
        It isn't always, and only about you.
        Obviously, if you can't afford it, you are (a) being denied subsidies by your GOPer state government; (b) or you have sufficient income to not need such assiatance. If you are paying more than before, congratulations: you are now part of the better-off who help the less well-off.
        Trust me?
        I'm an economist!

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        • Originally posted by zraver View Post
          People don't like being attacked. Prosecutors looked at it, it was ruled justified. Josh was the agressor.
          Prosecutors allege the two, both 29, had armed themselves — he with pepper-spray and she with a Glock semi-automatic handgun in a holster under her coat — and went to the protest intending to goad demonstrators they knew would be there. They have also said that the couple is a danger to the community

          Originally posted by zraver View Post
          Shooter is unknown. We don;t even have a description of the shooter to base anything on.

          No becuase there is a web site that follows these attacks and lists the perps when known.
          Yes, we do, "Get out of this country". Same as Adam Purinton

          Originally posted by zraver View Post
          I thought it was about Left vs Right political violence.
          That is true. Left vs. right, not GOP vs Dem

          Originally posted by zraver View Post
          I don't, but isn't Breitbart run by Jews, isn't Breitbart a Jewish name?
          You have obviously not read about the threats from the Zionist global conspiracy. I credit you for that.

          Originally posted by zraver View Post
          DC Beltway Sniper, SLA, Weather Underground, Baseball shooter, Gabbi Giffords shooter, ELF/ALF, the Anti-fa molotovs and arson attacks..... bombs, guns arson, real noisy going back decades.
          I sometimes worry about you.

          DC Beltway Sniper? So now every Jihadist is a "Left Wing" guy? I suppose ISIS is a vast Democratic Party conglomerate then. I miss the emojis

          Gabbi Giffords shooter was a Leftie? Then Hitler must have been Gandhi in disguise. His beliefs (women should not hold positions of power, NASA faking spaceflights) reek of wingnut conspiracy theories )

          For every Weather Underground, ELF or antifa, I would raise you 20 each of the patriot movements

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.dce3af8230cb

          Ha, now even trolls have got into the fun

          https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasack...XrZ#.nsZ1OaLvR
          "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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          • Originally posted by zraver View Post
            Obamacare is an unfolding disaster... premiums and deductibles too high for me to use insurance. If I can't use it, why pay for it?
            Whatever Z, please, jut make sure that "Meancare" cuts every little benefit it is supposed to. I can't wait for the people to realize exactly what they have voted for.
            "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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            • Originally posted by astralis View Post
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b98_story.html

              Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say

              By Devlin Barrett, Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Sari Horwitz
              June 14 at 6:21 PM

              The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

              The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.

              Trump had received private assurances from then-FBI Director James B. Comey starting in January that he was not personally under investigation. Officials say that changed shortly after Comey’s firing.

              Five people briefed on the interview requests, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, said that Daniel Coats, the current director of national intelligence, Mike Rogers, head of the National Security Agency, and Rogers’s recently departed deputy, Richard Ledgett, agreed to be interviewed by Mueller’s investigators as early as this week. The investigation has been cloaked in secrecy, and it is unclear how many others have been questioned by the FBI.
              A guide to the five major investigations of the Trump campaign’s possible ties to Russia View Graphic

              The NSA said in a statement that it will “fully cooperate with the special counsel” and declined to comment further. The office of the director of national intelligence and Ledgett declined to comment.

              The White House now refers all questions about the Russia investigation to Trump’s personal attorney, Marc Kasowitz.

              “The FBI leak of information regarding the president is outrageous, inexcusable and illegal,” said Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Kasowitz.

              The officials said Coats, Rogers and Ledgett would appear voluntarily, though it remains unclear whether they will describe in full their conversations with Trump and other top officials or will be directed by the White House to invoke executive privilege. It is doubtful that the White House could ultimately use executive privilege to try to block them from speaking to Mueller’s investigators. Experts point out that the Supreme Court ruled during the Watergate scandal that officials cannot use privilege to withhold evidence in criminal prosecutions.

              The obstruction-of-justice investigation of the president began days after Comey was fired on May 9, according to people familiar with the matter. Mueller’s office has taken up that work, and the preliminary interviews scheduled with intelligence officials indicate that his team is actively pursuing potential witnesses inside and outside the government.

              [Inside Trump’s anger and impatience — and his sudden decision to fire Comey]

              The interviews suggest that Mueller sees the question of attempted obstruction of justice as more than just a “he said, he said” dispute between the president and the fired FBI director, an official said.

              Investigating Trump for possible crimes is a complicated affair, even if convincing evidence of a crime were found. The Justice Department has long held that it would not be appropriate to indict a sitting president. Instead, experts say, the onus would be on Congress to review any findings of criminal misconduct and then decide whether to initiate impeachment proceedings.

              Comey confirmed publicly in congressional testimony on March 20 that the bureau was investigating possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

              Comey’s statement before the House Intelligence Committee upset Trump, who has repeatedly denied that any coordination with the Russians took place. Trump had wanted Comey to disclose publicly that he was not personally under investigation, but the FBI director refused to do so.

              Soon after, Trump spoke to Coats and Rogers about the Russia investigation.

              Officials said one of the exchanges of potential interest to Mueller took place on March 22, less than a week after Coats was confirmed by the Senate to serve as the nation’s top intelligence official.

              Coats was attending a briefing at the White House with officials from several other government agencies. When the briefing ended, as The Washington Post previously reported, Trump asked everyone to leave the room except for Coats and CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

              Coats told associates that Trump had asked him whether Coats could intervene with Comey to get the bureau to back off its focus on former national security adviser Michael Flynn in its Russia probe, according to officials. Coats later told lawmakers that he never felt pressured to intervene.

              A day or two after the March 22 meeting, Trump telephoned Coats and Rogers to separately ask them to issue public statements denying the existence of any evidence of coordination between his campaign and the Russian government.

              Coats and Rogers refused to comply with the president’s requests, officials said.

              It is unclear whether Ledgett had direct contact with Trump or other top officials about the Russia probe, but he wrote an internal NSA memo documenting the president’s phone call with Rogers, according to officials.

              As part of the probe, the special counsel has also gathered Comey’s written accounts of his conversations with Trump. The president has accused Comey of lying about those encounters.

              Mueller is overseeing a host of investigations involving people who are or were in Trump’s orbit, people familiar with the probe said. The investigation is examining possible contacts with Russian operatives as well as any suspicious financial activity related to those individuals.

              Last week, Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee that he had informed Trump that there was no investigation of the president’s personal conduct, at least while he was leading the FBI.

              Comey’s carefully worded comments, and those of Andrew McCabe, who took over as acting FBI director, suggested to some officials that an investigation of Trump for attempted obstruction may have been launched after Comey’s departure, particularly in light of Trump’s alleged statements regarding Flynn.

              “I took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, but that’s a conclusion I’m sure the special counsel will work towards, to try and understand what the intention was there, and whether that’s an offense,” Comey testified last week.

              Mueller has not publicly discussed his work, and a spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.

              Accounts by Comey and other officials of their conversations with the president could become central pieces of evidence if Mueller decides to pursue an obstruction case.

              Investigators will also look for any statements the president may have made publicly and privately to people outside the government about his reasons for firing Comey and his concerns about the Russia probe and other related investigations, people familiar with the matter said.

              Comey testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee last week that he was certain his firing was due to the president’s concerns about the Russia probe, rather than over his handling of a now-closed FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state, as the White House had initially asserted. “It’s my judgment that I was fired because of the Russia investigation,” Comey said. “I was fired, in some way, to change — or the endeavor was to change the way the Russia investigation was being conducted.”

              The fired FBI director said ultimately it was up to Mueller to make a determination whether the president crossed a legal line.

              In addition to describing his interactions with the president, Comey told the Intelligence Committee that while he was FBI director he told Trump on three occasions that he was not under investigation as part of a counterintelligence probe looking at Russian meddling in the election.

              Republican lawmakers seized on Comey’s testimony to point out that Trump was not in the FBI’s crosshairs when Comey led the bureau.

              After Comey’s testimony, in which he acknowledged telling Trump that he was not under investigation, Trump tweeted that he felt “total and complete vindication.” It is unclear whether McCabe, Comey’s successor, has informed Trump of the change in the scope of the probe.
              so basically after failing miserably with the "russian collusion" BS, the left now turn the another conspiracy called "justice obstruction". jeez, and we have to endure this BS for another half year?

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              • Originally posted by antimony View Post
                Whatever Z, please, jut make sure that "Meancare" cuts every little benefit it is supposed to. I can't wait for the people to realize exactly what they have voted for.
                I have to disagree. Most of the poor, ignorant masses who voted for trump would not suffer any immediate consequences. Though within a few generations, some of their descents would. It's a matter of probability. Some people go through their lives without any major medical conditions, but eventually some of their offspring get sick. These people voted for Trump, so I doubt they'll figure it out.

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                • Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                  Most of the poor, ignorant masses who voted for trump would not suffer any immediate consequences
                  and of course you would be able to back this up with FACT & FIGURES?

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                  • Originally posted by drhuy View Post
                    and of course you would be able to back this up with FACT & FIGURES?
                    And you can prove me wrong? I grant you that I pulled that one out of my arse, but as long as a significant number of poor, ignorant people who voted for trump, my assertion holds. I know some Trump voters who fall outside of that category. They had their own reasons, which are most likely not Trump's empty promises.

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                    • Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                      And you can prove me wrong?
                      Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                      And you can prove me wrong?
                      Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                      And you can prove me wrong?
                      Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                      And you can prove me wrong?
                      BWAHHAHA

                      its always a sign of "superb" intelligence when someone asks you to prove his ridiculous statement wrong rather than he proves it right
                      Last edited by drhuy; 16 Jun 17,, 17:10.

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                      • Originally posted by drhuy View Post
                        BWAHHAHA

                        its always a sign of "superb" intelligence when someone asks you to prove his ridiculous statement wrong rather than he proves it right
                        More of common knowledge than a ridiculous statement.

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                        • Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                          More of common knowledge than a ridiculous statement.
                          right, just like "the earth is flat" is common knowledge to flat earthers

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                          • Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                            I have to disagree. Most of the poor, ignorant masses who voted for trump would not suffer any immediate consequences. Though within a few generations, some of their descents would. It's a matter of probability. Some people go through their lives without any major medical conditions, but eventually some of their offspring get sick. These people voted for Trump, so I doubt they'll figure it out.
                            Have you seen the townhalls? People are screaming that THEY WOULD DIE if their Healthcare is taken away
                            "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                            • drhuy,

                              so basically after failing miserably with the "russian collusion" BS, the left now turn the another conspiracy called "justice obstruction". jeez, and we have to endure this BS for another half year?
                              you realize that the FBI/special counsel does not equate "the left", and that the FBI/special counsel can run more than one investigation at a time?
                              Last edited by astralis; 16 Jun 17,, 20:12.
                              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                              • z,

                                Petraus was convicted based on what he kept in personal notebooks.
                                which contained classified information.

                                EO 12456. Since private discussions with the president reveal the inner workings of government and since the president has right to unfettered communications and advice his conversations are born classified. Comey did not have the legal right to make those discussions public.
                                a bit confused...

                                https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12456

                                that has to do with pay.

                                regarding "private discussions with the President", no, they are not automatically classified under law. a President can claim executive privilege (which is different from it being -classified-) but in this case Trump waived this when he agreed to let Comey speak.

                                even had Trump not waived this, executive privilege is not absolute-- see US vs Nixon.
                                Neither the doctrine of separation of powers nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances. The President’s need for complete candor and objectivity from advisers calls for great deference from the courts. However, when the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such conversations, a confrontation with other values arises. Absent a claim of need to protect military, diplomatic, or sensitive national security secrets, we find it difficult to accept the argument that even the very important interest in confidentiality of Presidential communications is significantly diminished by production of such material for in camera inspection with all the protection that a district court will be obliged to provide.
                                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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