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  • There are other definitions of "gain" other than financial.
    We are dealing with lawyers.

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    • Originally posted by bfng3569 View Post
      so you have nothing then.

      because so in I don't even know how many investigations that have been going on for I don't even know how long, no one else has come up with anything either.

      so far all you have done is expressed paranoia and conspiracy theories, nothing else.
      Would this be the right place or you the correct authority to relay such information to? I must question that.

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      • https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b98_story.html

        Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say

        By Devlin Barrett, Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Sari Horwitz
        June 14 at 6:21 PM

        The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

        The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.

        Trump had received private assurances from then-FBI Director James B. Comey starting in January that he was not personally under investigation. Officials say that changed shortly after Comey’s firing.

        Five people briefed on the interview requests, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, said that Daniel Coats, the current director of national intelligence, Mike Rogers, head of the National Security Agency, and Rogers’s recently departed deputy, Richard Ledgett, agreed to be interviewed by Mueller’s investigators as early as this week. The investigation has been cloaked in secrecy, and it is unclear how many others have been questioned by the FBI.
        A guide to the five major investigations of the Trump campaign’s possible ties to Russia View Graphic

        The NSA said in a statement that it will “fully cooperate with the special counsel” and declined to comment further. The office of the director of national intelligence and Ledgett declined to comment.

        The White House now refers all questions about the Russia investigation to Trump’s personal attorney, Marc Kasowitz.

        “The FBI leak of information regarding the president is outrageous, inexcusable and illegal,” said Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Kasowitz.

        The officials said Coats, Rogers and Ledgett would appear voluntarily, though it remains unclear whether they will describe in full their conversations with Trump and other top officials or will be directed by the White House to invoke executive privilege. It is doubtful that the White House could ultimately use executive privilege to try to block them from speaking to Mueller’s investigators. Experts point out that the Supreme Court ruled during the Watergate scandal that officials cannot use privilege to withhold evidence in criminal prosecutions.

        The obstruction-of-justice investigation of the president began days after Comey was fired on May 9, according to people familiar with the matter. Mueller’s office has taken up that work, and the preliminary interviews scheduled with intelligence officials indicate that his team is actively pursuing potential witnesses inside and outside the government.

        [Inside Trump’s anger and impatience — and his sudden decision to fire Comey]

        The interviews suggest that Mueller sees the question of attempted obstruction of justice as more than just a “he said, he said” dispute between the president and the fired FBI director, an official said.

        Investigating Trump for possible crimes is a complicated affair, even if convincing evidence of a crime were found. The Justice Department has long held that it would not be appropriate to indict a sitting president. Instead, experts say, the onus would be on Congress to review any findings of criminal misconduct and then decide whether to initiate impeachment proceedings.

        Comey confirmed publicly in congressional testimony on March 20 that the bureau was investigating possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

        Comey’s statement before the House Intelligence Committee upset Trump, who has repeatedly denied that any coordination with the Russians took place. Trump had wanted Comey to disclose publicly that he was not personally under investigation, but the FBI director refused to do so.

        Soon after, Trump spoke to Coats and Rogers about the Russia investigation.

        Officials said one of the exchanges of potential interest to Mueller took place on March 22, less than a week after Coats was confirmed by the Senate to serve as the nation’s top intelligence official.

        Coats was attending a briefing at the White House with officials from several other government agencies. When the briefing ended, as The Washington Post previously reported, Trump asked everyone to leave the room except for Coats and CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

        Coats told associates that Trump had asked him whether Coats could intervene with Comey to get the bureau to back off its focus on former national security adviser Michael Flynn in its Russia probe, according to officials. Coats later told lawmakers that he never felt pressured to intervene.

        A day or two after the March 22 meeting, Trump telephoned Coats and Rogers to separately ask them to issue public statements denying the existence of any evidence of coordination between his campaign and the Russian government.

        Coats and Rogers refused to comply with the president’s requests, officials said.

        It is unclear whether Ledgett had direct contact with Trump or other top officials about the Russia probe, but he wrote an internal NSA memo documenting the president’s phone call with Rogers, according to officials.

        As part of the probe, the special counsel has also gathered Comey’s written accounts of his conversations with Trump. The president has accused Comey of lying about those encounters.

        Mueller is overseeing a host of investigations involving people who are or were in Trump’s orbit, people familiar with the probe said. The investigation is examining possible contacts with Russian operatives as well as any suspicious financial activity related to those individuals.

        Last week, Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee that he had informed Trump that there was no investigation of the president’s personal conduct, at least while he was leading the FBI.

        Comey’s carefully worded comments, and those of Andrew McCabe, who took over as acting FBI director, suggested to some officials that an investigation of Trump for attempted obstruction may have been launched after Comey’s departure, particularly in light of Trump’s alleged statements regarding Flynn.

        “I took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, but that’s a conclusion I’m sure the special counsel will work towards, to try and understand what the intention was there, and whether that’s an offense,” Comey testified last week.

        Mueller has not publicly discussed his work, and a spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.

        Accounts by Comey and other officials of their conversations with the president could become central pieces of evidence if Mueller decides to pursue an obstruction case.

        Investigators will also look for any statements the president may have made publicly and privately to people outside the government about his reasons for firing Comey and his concerns about the Russia probe and other related investigations, people familiar with the matter said.

        Comey testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee last week that he was certain his firing was due to the president’s concerns about the Russia probe, rather than over his handling of a now-closed FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state, as the White House had initially asserted. “It’s my judgment that I was fired because of the Russia investigation,” Comey said. “I was fired, in some way, to change — or the endeavor was to change the way the Russia investigation was being conducted.”

        The fired FBI director said ultimately it was up to Mueller to make a determination whether the president crossed a legal line.

        In addition to describing his interactions with the president, Comey told the Intelligence Committee that while he was FBI director he told Trump on three occasions that he was not under investigation as part of a counterintelligence probe looking at Russian meddling in the election.

        Republican lawmakers seized on Comey’s testimony to point out that Trump was not in the FBI’s crosshairs when Comey led the bureau.

        After Comey’s testimony, in which he acknowledged telling Trump that he was not under investigation, Trump tweeted that he felt “total and complete vindication.” It is unclear whether McCabe, Comey’s successor, has informed Trump of the change in the scope of the probe.
        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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        • Originally posted by snapper View Post
          Would this be the right place or you the correct authority to relay such information to? I must question that.
          like I'm questioning your claim that you wont provide proof of?

          but to answer your question, yes, this would be the right place.

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          • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
            So,the whole Russian conspiracy hoopla turns to be bereft of evidence.
            The whole affair was nothing but political charade.What a surprise!
            Well something happened in Oct last when all 16 Intel orgs got together and accused Russia of meddling in the elections and then some compounds were closed and 35 people got told to pack their bags and go home.

            What is significant is the degree of viciousness of internal US politics.That is hardly an encouraging sign.
            What I read is when the soviet union collapsed the two parties turned on each other given the lack of any further external threat. That's the day bipartisanship died in the US.

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            • Originally posted by zraver View Post
              That is not fair, almost all of the political violence in the country flows Left to Right, not Right to Left. Name a Trump supporter who killed or bombed?
              Unfortunately we had a recent reminder here when a shooter fired at some Republicans when they were having a ball game. Message is pretty clear.

              How's that vote to repeal Obama care coming along senators.

              This kind of violence is worse than any terrorism. It's a direct attack on your government

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              • Originally posted by zraver View Post
                That is not fair, almost all of the political violence in the country flows Left to Right, not Right to Left. Name a Trump supporter who killed or bombed?
                Easy peasy,

                Elizabeth and Marc Hoakana who shot at Josh Dukes
                Adam Purinton in Kansas, who shot the Indian engineer Srini Kuchibotla, while shouting "get out of my country"
                Another sikh man was shot in Kent, WA while the assailant screamed "go back to your country"
                The number of temples and synagogues, mosques and temples getting vandalized

                And then on this board, there is a poster (I am sure I can find the post) who threatens that the Federal agents will descend on those who protest

                Right wing political violence is for all to see once the blinkers are taken off.

                The Left wing creates a ruckus, the right reacts with guns, hatred and deadly force
                "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                • Antimony, Z did mention this after

                  Originally posted by zraver View Post
                  Name one Leftist political rally shut down or even seriously disrupted by the Rightwing. On the Left we have how many riots by BLM, how many Trump rallies and conservative speaking engagements attacked by the anti-fa, we have tapes of the Left planning to disrupt rallies and town halls. Rightwing violence in the US is relatively rare and tends towards racist or religious not political.
                  Political has a wider impact is his point.

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                  • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                    z,



                    there was nothing classified.

                    Trump hasn't asserted executive privilege on the memos, or the testimony-- and he referred to the conversations with Comey when he fired the man, which heavily weakens the executive privilege argument.

                    and if these notes were Comey's private notes and not written on an official FBI form or as part of a FBI investigation, then no, it would not belong to the FBI/DOJ.

                    bottom-line, if there were a serious case against Comey here, Trump and the DOJ would have acted on it. they don't, so they won't-- and Trump will just continue to snipe from Twitter.
                    Uhm no, all work product belongs to the government; the law is crystal clear on that. Further, all conversations with the president are born classified and Comey did not have the classification authority to say they were not classified.

                    hboGYT
                    I don't really care whether it's legal or not, only whether it's impeachable or not. An action doesn't need to be illegal to be impeachable. Otherwise a president can just pardon himself constantly pardon himself and be immune from impeachment.
                    A single pardon properly worded can cover all crimes; real, alleged, mythical, past, present and future. At this point I kinda want Trump to pardon his entire inner circle and tweet FU Dems. After all it doesn't matter to them if he is innocent or not... 10 months and zero evidence of any collusion and zero interest in why the DNC would not let the FBI does a forensic sweep of their computers (the GOP did). Its all political theater by people who reject our constitutional system AND WHO ARE upset their god-queen didn't win.

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                    • Originally posted by antimony View Post
                      Easy peasy,

                      Elizabeth and Marc Hoakana who shot at Josh Dukes
                      Adam Purinton in Kansas, who shot the Indian engineer Srini Kuchibotla, while shouting "get out of my country"
                      Another sikh man was shot in Kent, WA while the assailant screamed "go back to your country"
                      The number of temples and synagogues, mosques and temples getting vandalized

                      And then on this board, there is a poster (I am sure I can find the post) who threatens that the Federal agents will descend on those who protest

                      Right wing political violence is for all to see once the blinkers are taken off.

                      The Left wing creates a ruckus, the right reacts with guns, hatred and deadly force
                      Hoakana's, ruled a justified self defense shooting. Elizabeth shot Josh Duke when he attacked her husband at a Trump rally. Josh went there to beat up Trump supporters and got shot attacking an old man. Color me unimpressed. The Sihk shot in Kent, no description of the shooter. As the Bernie Bro Portland stabber shows, racism isn't exclusively a rightwing thing. Given that Kent went what 99% for HRC in November, I think chances are you need to look blue for the shooter. Hell based on the number of white people dragged outta cars during the BLM riots, I would wager its more common on the Left. Those temples, synagogues, graveyards etc, usually done by one of their own, or a leftie. Remember the big Mosque fire in Texas in March? Burned by a Hispanic. The bomb threats against synagogues either Thompson a liberal reporter or a Jewish boy in Israel. In fact given the GOP's love of Israel and the Left's love of BDS, I'd wager antisemitism is orders of magnitude more common on the Left.

                      In short you provided one guy, not really evidence of system gun play and racism. Political violence in the US is mostly Left to Right.

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                      • Uhm no, all work product belongs to the government; the law is crystal clear on that.
                        Comey made personal notes, they weren't FBI products.

                        you can try to use 18 U.S. Code § 641 but that's not a strong defense. which is again why there's been no case opened against Comey.

                        Further, all conversations with the president are born classified
                        lol no.......where'd you dig THAT legal gem up?
                        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                        • [QUOTE=astralis;1026420]Comey made personal notes, they weren't FBI products.

                          you can try to use 18 U.S. Code § 641 but that's not a strong defense. which is again why there's been no case opened against Comey./quote]

                          His notes regarding official business are work product and belong to the government. This would not even be an issue if not for the political theater. Petraus was convicted based on what he kept in personal notebooks.



                          lol no.......where'd you dig THAT legal gem up?
                          EO 12456. Since private discussions with the president reveal the inner workings of government and since the president has right to unfettered communications and advice his conversations are born classified. Comey did not have the legal right to make those discussions public.

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                          • Originally posted by zraver View Post
                            Hoakana's, ruled a justified self defense shooting. Elizabeth shot Josh Duke when he attacked her husband at a Trump rally. Josh went there to beat up Trump supporters and got shot attacking an old man. Color me unimpressed.
                            You can continue to get your info from biased sources, or you can open your eyes. The man had to warn his wife to calm down and not shoot anyone. They were looking for a fight. What's more, in the comments section of the news outlets that carried the story, there are people who "enjoyed the video" and want this to happen more often. Yeah, a bunch of "peaceful" right wingers.

                            Originally posted by zraver View Post
                            The Sihk shot in Kent, no description of the shooter. As the Bernie Bro Portland stabber shows, racism isn't exclusively a rightwing thing. Given that Kent went what 99% for HRC in November, I think chances are you need to look blue for the shooter. Hell based on the number of white people dragged outta cars during the BLM riots, I would wager its more common on the Left.
                            Yeah the shooter was tree hugging liberal who wanted the Sikh guy to leave so that he could plant more trees to hug.

                            Originally posted by zraver View Post
                            Those temples, synagogues, graveyards etc, usually done by one of their own, or a leftie.
                            And you know this because you were hiding in the bushes when this happened.

                            Originally posted by zraver View Post
                            Remember the big Mosque fire in Texas in March? Burned by a Hispanic. The bomb threats against synagogues either Thompson a liberal reporter or a Jewish boy in Israel. In fact given the GOP's love of Israel and the Left's love of BDS, I'd wager antisemitism is orders of magnitude more common on the Left.
                            This is not about the GOP or the Democratic Party. This is about crazed wingnuts. I give credit to the fact that you obviously do not hang around Infowars or Breitbart comments section, or you would see how wrong you are about this supposed love of Jews.

                            Originally posted by zraver View Post
                            In short you provided one guy, not really evidence of system gun play and racism. Political violence in the US is mostly Left to Right.
                            As I have said earlier, the left creates noise, the right brings guns.
                            "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                            • Originally posted by zraver View Post
                              A single pardon properly worded can cover all crimes; real, alleged, mythical, past, present and future. At this point I kinda want Trump to pardon his entire inner circle and tweet FU Dems. After all it doesn't matter to them if he is innocent or not... 10 months and zero evidence of any collusion and zero interest in why the DNC would not let the FBI does a forensic sweep of their computers (the GOP did). Its all political theater by people who reject our constitutional system AND WHO ARE upset their god-queen didn't win.
                              I for one am with you. I would even go ahead and say it would be fun to watch him fire Mueller. I can't wait for all of Trump's agenda to be implemented, ASAP, including the "mean" Healthcare agenda.
                              "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                              • [QUOTE=antimony;1026424]You can continue to get your info from biased sources, or you can open your eyes. The man had to warn his wife to calm down and not shoot anyone. They were looking for a fight. What's more, in the comments section of the news outlets that carried the story, there are people who "enjoyed the video" and want this to happen more often. Yeah, a bunch of "peaceful" right wingers.[/qupte]

                                People don't like being attacked. Prosecutors looked at it, it was ruled justified. Josh was the agressor.

                                Yeah the shooter was tree hugging liberal who wanted the Sikh guy to leave so that he could plant more trees to hug.
                                Shooter is unknown. We don;t even have a description of the shooter to base anything on.

                                And you know this because you were hiding in the bushes when this happened.
                                No becuase there is a web site that follows these attacks and lists the perps when known.

                                This is not about the GOP or the Democratic Party. This is about crazed wingnuts.
                                I thought it was about Left vs Right political violence.

                                I give credit to the fact that you obviously do not hang around Infowars or Breitbart comments section, or you would see how wrong you are about this supposed love of Jews.
                                I don't, but isn't Breitbart run by Jews, isn't Breitbart a Jewish name?

                                As I have said earlier, the left creates noise, the right brings guns.
                                DC Beltway Sniper, SLA, Weather Underground, Baseball shooter, Gabbi Giffords shooter, ELF/ALF, the Anti-fa molotovs and arson attacks..... bombs, guns arson, real noisy going back decades.

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