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You are free to your views and the reasons why you might hold them; I may disagree with them but would die for your right to state them. In this case I simply do not understand the reason why you might support Brexit and it is that which puzzles me seeing as you say you neither grew or were educated in the UK let alone worked for Her Majesty's Government in any way. Seeing as I am aware that Moscow actively supports Brexit I must wonder if you follow that motivation?
Yes I speak pretty good Muscovite. I have relatives from Moscow living in my home in Ukraine and live in Ukraine - my Muscovite is probably better than my Ukrainian though French was my first language, English my second then Latin and Classical Greek and the Slavic languages at home and experiences living in numerous slavic countries and Armenia (Hayastan). I'm afraid I am not German at all though and vehemently disapprove of their North Stream 2 project which is itself contrary to all their proclaimed ideals of 'European Unity'.
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You are free to your views and the reasons why you might hold them; I may disagree with them but would die for your right to state them. In this case I simply do not understand the reason why you might support Brexit and it is that which puzzles me seeing as you say you neither grew or were educated in the UK let alone worked for Her Majesty's Government in any way. Seeing as I am aware that Moscow actively supports Brexit I must wonder if you follow that motivation?
Yes I speak pretty good Muscovite. I have relatives from Moscow living in my home in Ukraine and live in Ukraine - my Muscovite is probably better than my Ukrainian though French was my first language, English my second then Latin and Classical Greek and the Slavic languages at home and experiences living in numerous slavic countries and Armenia (Hayastan). I'm afraid I am not German at all though and vehemently disapprove of their North Stream 2 project which is itself contrary to all their proclaimed ideals of 'European Unity'.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostYou are free to your views and the reasons why you might hold them; I may disagree with them but would die for your right to state them. In this case I simply do not understand the reason why you might support Brexit and it is that which puzzles me seeing as you say you neither grew or were educated in the UK let alone worked for Her Majesty's Government in any way. Seeing as I am aware that Moscow actively supports Brexit I must wonder if you follow that motivation?
Yes I speak pretty good Muscovite. I have relatives from Moscow living in my home in Ukraine and live in Ukraine - my Muscovite is probably better than my Ukrainian though French was my first language, English my second then Latin and Classical Greek and the Slavic languages at home and experiences living in numerous slavic countries and Armenia (Hayastan). I'm afraid I am not German at all though and vehemently disapprove of their North Stream 2 project which is itself contrary to all their proclaimed ideals of 'European Unity'.
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Not a Rurikid by any chance? The first Princes/Kings of Kyiv came from Sweden...
I am not conversant with the Swedish joining of the EU at all I am afraid - will look it up. I am no EU fan myself - in the past I have been the foremost critic in this forum - but I do know the 'Brexit referendum' was based on lies, influenced by Muscovite social media lies, the funding of which is currently a criminal investigation. Nor did anyone stipulate what "leave" meant, whether it meant remaining in the free trade area (but losing a vote on it's rules) or not; nor was the Northern Irish border problem ever mentioned as far as I observed it. When it is obvious that the referendum was based on lies, dodgy money (probably from Muscovy) and a Muscovite social media campaign and that the British people will end up poorer and have less influence in on the neighbouring continent my common sense says it is not wise to shoot yourself in the foot by going through with it.
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I guess if another referendum is dead, then the remainers in parliament will probably hold their noses and vote for Mays deal.
It's not great, but at least it will prevent a border in Ireland.
There will then be two years of transition, (possible to extend) to negotiate our way back into the single market and Remain can live to fight another day.
It's got to be about damage limitation now and preventing a no deal exit.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostNot a Rurikid by any chance? The first Princes/Kings of Kyiv came from Sweden...
Originally posted by snapper View PostI am not conversant with the Swedish joining of the EU at all I am afraid - will look it up. I am no EU fan myself -
Originally posted by snapper View Post... the 'Brexit referendum' was based on lies, influenced by Muscovite social media lies ... is obvious that the referendum was based on lies, dodgy money (probably from Muscovy) and a Muscovite social media campaign ...
Britain be being held hostage by NATO and to a lesser degree (I presume) by the EU. Any growing pains the UK might (or certainly will) experience must be endured and overcome just as escapees from the dungeon must adapt to sunlight.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostBritish news tonight: 3500 troops under standby;
Shirley must be wrong?
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Originally posted by FORMBY View PostBritain be being held hostage by NATO and to a lesser degree (I presume) by the EU. Any growing pains the UK might (or certainly will) experience must be endured and overcome just as escapees from the dungeon must adapt to sunlight.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostYou're joking right?
Originally posted by snapper View PostYou know that is an insult to many members of this forum who served in the Cold War
Originally posted by snapper View Postand kept freedom alive in Western Europe?
Originally posted by snapper View PostSince when has NATO responded as the Warsaw Pact did in the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 or the Praha Spring of 1968?
Originally posted by snapper View PostGet real or get out.
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Originally posted by zara View PostI guess if another referendum is dead, then the remainers in parliament will probably hold their noses and vote for Mays deal.
It's not great, but at least it will prevent a border in Ireland.
There will then be two years of transition, (possible to extend) to negotiate our way back into the single market and Remain can live to fight another day.
It's got to be about damage limitation now and preventing a no deal exit.
Brexit is happening whether people want it or not.
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Originally posted by FORMBY View PostI am dead serious.
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostI don't give a stuff if they feel insulted. I served as well during the Cold War. In fact, I am a war veteran of that period.
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostHistory is part of the past and that is where it belongs. I don't give a fiddler's buttocks that you might have done me a favour yesterday if you are trying to cheat me today.
Do you have any friends? I fear you must be a lonely person if this true.
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostHow many examples do you require? Irak. Libya. Syria.
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostGetting out doesn't bother me but I am real and I am staying real. If you think my opinion is unworthy of this forum you can ask to have me removed. It's all the same to me.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostThen you have no respect for the service of others that maintained your liberty too.
Originally posted by snapper View PostStrange as Sweden, where you claim to hail from, is not a NATO member.
Originally posted by snapper View PostDo you have any friends? I fear you must be a lonely person if this true.
Originally posted by snapper View PostTyranny is corrupt, wrong and evil. I am not saying I would all the three the same way but I certainly believe Gaddaffi and Saddam were murdering b*stards and that Assad is war criminal. Either you believe in the international law or it is dog eats dog.
Originally posted by snapper View PostI would never ask for you to be removed from the forum. That is perhaps the difference between us.
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Originally posted by FORMBY View PostThe service of others? What of my own? Is it your opinion that my service and my experience should be ignored? I don’t whore myself out I can tell you.
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostAnd what is your point? I am Swedish. I am an individual. The “liberty” you speak of in the first paragraph apparently doesn’t afford you as much of it as I have. Liberty in the freedom to serve with whom and where I chose on a voluntary basis. NATO has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostIf you really read my response you ought to have noticed that my honour of friendship isn’t hinged upon past deeds but on real-time events and reciprocal loyalty. With that in mind I can only assume that it is you who has no friends …. in the classical sense.
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostNow you surely misrepresent your own credibility. The invasion of Irak was illegal. How many ways do you need in order to understand that? Yet you support it despite “international law” being against you? Oh dear!
Originally posted by FORMBY View PostYou make no sense. This ‘difference between us’ is in your imaginary belief that I have asked to have you removed? Perhaps it can be that your English comprehension is not really better than mine as you first suggested.
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